The Trash Brothers - Semi and Nader

[Eddie20]

So your point is that that the young guys at the end of our bench are worthless?

Got it. Good point.

Yes, these two are completely worthless. That doesn't mean ALL young players are worthless, though. I think Yabusele has more upside than them, so he does have some worth. However, not only are the Trash Bros. worthless now, but honestly speaking, is there any real ceiling here? Is your argument that they're actually good? If not, then you actually agree with the premise, albeit minus the adjective.

[Granath]

What's worthless is this thread. It'll be fun to laugh - yet again - at the OP when one of these two become a valuable bench contributor in a year or two.

[Eddie20]

What's worthless is this thread. It'll be fun to laugh - yet again - at the OP when one of these two become a valuable bench contributor in a year or two.

That would be such an awesome bet to make. First things first, though, do they even make the roster in October?

[mr. dee]

I知 surprised and disappointed Yabusele Remains on the bench during this stretch run, particularly since both Semi and Nader continue to struggle.

This. Unlike these two, Yabusele have actually shown flashes of brilliance in his raw game. Not to mention, he's more athletic, stronger and better motor. Nader have never impressed me, not even in the D-league.


Semi only gets playing time due to his defense. But even his D is kinda hit or miss because his motor is so questionable.

Flashes brilliance? Must of been so fast I missed it. There is a reason this guy isn't getting any run and I think that speaks volumes of where his game is at. He's not ready to be in the NBA and I'm unsure he ever will.

Yep, you really missed it because you'd rather talk about him not getting playing time over the fact that he provided better production than Nader and Semi in a much more limited time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LYFvJqcHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjxmBqoCUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwJ64tQx1g4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlW8n0P8Gs

[nickagneta]

I知 surprised and disappointed Yabusele Remains on the bench during this stretch run, particularly since both Semi and Nader continue to struggle.

This. Unlike these two, Yabusele have actually shown flashes of brilliance in his raw game. Not to mention, he's more athletic, stronger and better motor. Nader have never impressed me, not even in the D-league.


Semi only gets playing time due to his defense. But even his D is kinda hit or miss because his motor is so questionable.

Flashes brilliance? Must of been so fast I missed it. There is a reason this guy isn't getting any run and I think that speaks volumes of where his game is at. He's not ready to be in the NBA and I'm unsure he ever will.

Yep, you really missed it because you'd rather talk about him not getting playing time over the fact that he provided better production than Nader and Semi in a much more limited time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LYFvJqcHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjxmBqoCUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwJ64tQx1g4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlW8n0P8Gs

Wow...your proof of flashes of brilliance in the NBA include worthless preseason and Summer League footage. So throw them away since its clearly not against NBA level play.

And what you have left is two games where he had a couple of nice plays. Nothing brilliant, just nice.

Hate to be the one to tell you but there's probably more footage on youtube of Semi and Nader having some nice plays in actual NBA games than Yabu.

[mr. dee]

I’m surprised and disappointed Yabusele Remains on the bench during this stretch run, particularly since both Semi and Nader continue to struggle.

This. Unlike these two, Yabusele have actually shown flashes of brilliance in his raw game. Not to mention, he's more athletic, stronger and better motor. Nader have never impressed me, not even in the D-league.


Semi only gets playing time due to his defense. But even his D is kinda hit or miss because his motor is so questionable.

Flashes brilliance? Must of been so fast I missed it. There is a reason this guy isn't getting any run and I think that speaks volumes of where his game is at. He's not ready to be in the NBA and I'm unsure he ever will.

Yep, you really missed it because you'd rather talk about him not getting playing time over the fact that he provided better production than Nader and Semi in a much more limited time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LYFvJqcHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjxmBqoCUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwJ64tQx1g4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlW8n0P8Gs

Wow...your proof of flashes of brilliance in the NBA include worthless preseason and Summer League footage. So throw them away since its clearly not against NBA level play.

And what you have left is two games where he had a couple of nice plays. Nothing brilliant, just nice.

Hate to be the one to tell you but there's probably more footage on youtube of Semi and Nader having some nice plays in actual NBA games than Yabu.

It's more than his boxscore though. Semi, I can still see the upside. But Nader, eh.... There's nothing much to look at, not even in his highlights. And Semi nor Nader don't even have that much production in the preseason either.

Where did I post a summer league game? Half of these highlights are from regular season. You didn't even bother watching it.

[Alleyoopster]

Probably what we should be looking at is not how well these players are performing individually, but rather how well the team as a whole plays when they are in the line up.  And, judging by their +/- numbers which I posted earlier. They are not all that bad. Only one game of 6 with a -11. The others were quite respectable even for 1st tier players.

Maybe arguing how well or poorly they play individually is a poor metric and useless minutia. Perhaps, I'm guilty of that too.

[nickagneta]

I知 surprised and disappointed Yabusele Remains on the bench during this stretch run, particularly since both Semi and Nader continue to struggle.

This. Unlike these two, Yabusele have actually shown flashes of brilliance in his raw game. Not to mention, he's more athletic, stronger and better motor. Nader have never impressed me, not even in the D-league.


Semi only gets playing time due to his defense. But even his D is kinda hit or miss because his motor is so questionable.

Flashes brilliance? Must of been so fast I missed it. There is a reason this guy isn't getting any run and I think that speaks volumes of where his game is at. He's not ready to be in the NBA and I'm unsure he ever will.

Yep, you really missed it because you'd rather talk about him not getting playing time over the fact that he provided better production than Nader and Semi in a much more limited time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LYFvJqcHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjxmBqoCUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwJ64tQx1g4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlW8n0P8Gs

Wow...your proof of flashes of brilliance in the NBA include worthless preseason and Summer League footage. So throw them away since its clearly not against NBA level play.

And what you have left is two games where he had a couple of nice plays. Nothing brilliant, just nice.

Hate to be the one to tell you but there's probably more footage on youtube of Semi and Nader having some nice plays in actual NBA games than Yabu.

It's more than his boxscore though. Semi, I can still see the upside. But Nader, eh.... There's nothing much to look at, not even in his highlights. And Semi nor Nader don't even have that much production in the preseason either.

Where did I post a summer league game? Half of these highlights are from regular season. You didn't even bother watching it.

Oops...my bad. Was watching that Rockets highlight and with the funky unis thought it was summer league. Sorry. Still didn't see anything special except his body and quickness.

[mr. dee]

I知 surprised and disappointed Yabusele Remains on the bench during this stretch run, particularly since both Semi and Nader continue to struggle.

This. Unlike these two, Yabusele have actually shown flashes of brilliance in his raw game. Not to mention, he's more athletic, stronger and better motor. Nader have never impressed me, not even in the D-league.


Semi only gets playing time due to his defense. But even his D is kinda hit or miss because his motor is so questionable.

Flashes brilliance? Must of been so fast I missed it. There is a reason this guy isn't getting any run and I think that speaks volumes of where his game is at. He's not ready to be in the NBA and I'm unsure he ever will.

Yep, you really missed it because you'd rather talk about him not getting playing time over the fact that he provided better production than Nader and Semi in a much more limited time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LYFvJqcHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjxmBqoCUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwJ64tQx1g4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlW8n0P8Gs

Wow...your proof of flashes of brilliance in the NBA include worthless preseason and Summer League footage. So throw them away since its clearly not against NBA level play.

And what you have left is two games where he had a couple of nice plays. Nothing brilliant, just nice.

Hate to be the one to tell you but there's probably more footage on youtube of Semi and Nader having some nice plays in actual NBA games than Yabu.

It's more than his boxscore though. Semi, I can still see the upside. But Nader, eh.... There's nothing much to look at, not even in his highlights. And Semi nor Nader don't even have that much production in the preseason either.

Where did I post a summer league game? Half of these highlights are from regular season. You didn't even bother watching it.

Oops...my bad. Was watching that Rockets highlight and with the funky unis thought it was summer league. Sorry. Still didn't see anything special except his body and quickness.

He's finally starting to figure it out. He plays within the offense and shoots better % have shown better playmaking skills than both Nader and Semi.

Nader - 34% FG
Semi - 30% FG
Yabu - 42% FG

Per 36

Nader - 11 pts, 5 rbs, 2 ast
Semi - 5 pts, 5 rbs
Yabu - 12 pts, 10 rbs, 3 ast

His production may not be jawdropping, but it's league better than what Nader and Semi have shown so far.

[gouki88]

I知 surprised and disappointed Yabusele Remains on the bench during this stretch run, particularly since both Semi and Nader continue to struggle.

This. Unlike these two, Yabusele have actually shown flashes of brilliance in his raw game. Not to mention, he's more athletic, stronger and better motor. Nader have never impressed me, not even in the D-league.


Semi only gets playing time due to his defense. But even his D is kinda hit or miss because his motor is so questionable.

Flashes brilliance? Must of been so fast I missed it. There is a reason this guy isn't getting any run and I think that speaks volumes of where his game is at. He's not ready to be in the NBA and I'm unsure he ever will.

Yep, you really missed it because you'd rather talk about him not getting playing time over the fact that he provided better production than Nader and Semi in a much more limited time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5LYFvJqcHI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zjxmBqoCUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwJ64tQx1g4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYlW8n0P8Gs

Wow...your proof of flashes of brilliance in the NBA include worthless preseason and Summer League footage. So throw them away since its clearly not against NBA level play.

And what you have left is two games where he had a couple of nice plays. Nothing brilliant, just nice.

Hate to be the one to tell you but there's probably more footage on youtube of Semi and Nader having some nice plays in actual NBA games than Yabu.

It's more than his boxscore though. Semi, I can still see the upside. But Nader, eh.... There's nothing much to look at, not even in his highlights. And Semi nor Nader don't even have that much production in the preseason either.

Where did I post a summer league game? Half of these highlights are from regular season. You didn't even bother watching it.

Oops...my bad. Was watching that Rockets highlight and with the funky unis thought it was summer league. Sorry. Still didn't see anything special except his body and quickness.

He's finally starting to figure it out. He plays within the offense and shoots better % have shown better playmaking skills than both Nader and Semi.

Nader - 34% FG
Semi - 30% FG
Yabu - 42% FG

Per 36

Nader - 11 pts, 5 rbs, 2 ast
Semi - 5 pts, 5 rbs
Yabu - 12 pts, 10 rbs, 3 ast

His production may not be jawdropping, but it's league better than what Nader and Semi have shown so far.

TP. 100% agree

[green_bballers13]

So your point is that that the young guys at the end of our bench are worthless?

Got it. Good point.

Yes, these two are completely worthless. That doesn't mean ALL young players are worthless, though. I think Yabusele has more upside than them, so he does have some worth. However, not only are the Trash Bros. worthless now, but honestly speaking, is there any real ceiling here? Is your argument that they're actually good? If not, then you actually agree with the premise, albeit minus the adjective.

I don't necessarily disagree with you. I think your cynicism and attempt at a hot take falls flat. I think it would be a better hot take if you were talking about players that people care about. The controversial takes trying to discredit Marcus Smart, Kyrie Irving, and Al Horford have legs. I would think that most people would agree with you that these guys aren't in the Celtics long term plans. They'll be playing in Europe soon enough.

Either of them getting NBA minutes long term is a long shot. This should be obvious.

[Beat LA]

My complaint is more on Ainge filling out the roster with the trash brothers, than it is about them actually being trash. In fact, I've been on the record since pre-season that they are both bums and was met with plenty of backlash from some posters that had overrated both based on summer league/g-league performance.

First things first, stop calling players "bums", as that's rather insulting, imo. It's fine if you don't like a guy, but to call him a bum? That's low. I mean, I can't stand Marcus Smart, but I've never called him as such, and secondly, in terms of using "the trash brothers" to describe Semi and Nader, I'm afraid that that nickname was already coined by RJ Hunter a couple of years ago, iirc, in describing himself and James Young, lol, so you'll have to find another insulting moniker to do your bidding, here.

That said, and while it is disappointing to see Semi completely fall off from his performances at the beginning of the season, at least offensively, anyway, I do wish that he had been utilized much differently on, well, offense, this year. On the other hand, I never understood the Nader pick, like at all, especially because, drafted or not, there have been plenty of better players available in the draft over the last two years. Why not, for example, pick up Rashad Vaughn, who is currently a free agent, and have him at least take Nader's spot? All I'm trying to say is that we had, and arguably still have, plenty of options, moving forward.

Comparing Smart to these bums? Really?

Keep digging that hole, man.

It's pretty funny that you keep thinking that Semi has been misused, rather than him being completely useless. However, I can always use a bit of comedy, so please remind me again how you suggested that we should've run iso-Semi's when he was being defended by Porzingis.

So you think that alley-oops and backdoor cuts, etc., are isolation plays. Interesting...

Also, in before you say that Semi puts the "oops" in "alley-oops" .

[Beat LA]

So your point is that that the young guys at the end of our bench are worthless?

Got it. Good point.

Yes, these two are completely worthless. That doesn't mean ALL young players are worthless, though. I think Yabusele has more upside than them, so he does have some worth. However, not only are the Trash Bros. worthless now, but honestly speaking, is there any real ceiling here? Is your argument that they're actually good? If not, then you actually agree with the premise, albeit minus the adjective.

And what upside is that, exactly?

[footey]

So your point is that that the young guys at the end of our bench are worthless?

Got it. Good point.

Yes, these two are completely worthless. That doesn't mean ALL young players are worthless, though. I think Yabusele has more upside than them, so he does have some worth. However, not only are the Trash Bros. worthless now, but honestly speaking, is there any real ceiling here? Is your argument that they're actually good? If not, then you actually agree with the premise, albeit minus the adjective.

And what upside is that, exactly?

Good defense. Good shooter. Pretty decisive when he takes to the rim and finishes.

[mr. dee]

So your point is that that the young guys at the end of our bench are worthless?

Got it. Good point.

Yes, these two are completely worthless. That doesn't mean ALL young players are worthless, though. I think Yabusele has more upside than them, so he does have some worth. However, not only are the Trash Bros. worthless now, but honestly speaking, is there any real ceiling here? Is your argument that they're actually good? If not, then you actually agree with the premise, albeit minus the adjective.

And what upside is that, exactly?

Good defense. Good shooter. Pretty decisive when he takes to the rim and finishes.

He also have a good passing instincts. Got 5 assist in 18 minutes against the Wizards which is good numbers for a big man.