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Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2018, 08:25:42 PM »

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and if Al wasn't sick the other night then Smart and Theis would be playing the rest of the year ;)

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2018, 09:43:58 PM »

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We donít trade Avery, who ends up on the shelf. No Morris.

No Monroe because no DPE.

And sorry but a Rozier does not replace Kyrie production. Not even close.

Loss of the Brooklyn pick the only stinger. Letís see what that becomes before judging.
We had already traded Avery. He had nothing to do with Kyrie.

Shoot, thatís right. Thx.

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2018, 10:20:54 PM »

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and if Al wasn't sick the other night then Smart and Theis would be playing the rest of the year ;)

Bottom of my stomach just dropped out.

Has there been a team more snakebit by injuries than Boston since the playoffs last year? For starters, if IT hadn’t been injured, would they have needed to throw in the BKN pick - maybe a lesser pick would’ve done it? Since then Hayward, Smart, Theis.

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2018, 10:23:34 PM »

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Hayward's injury was caused by Crowder and Lebron trying to injury Hayward.

Exactly!

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2018, 11:57:50 PM »

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It's obviously not fair to say that the pass to Hayward never would have happened (just as people argued that Wade wouldn't have necessarily ripped Rondo's arm out of its socket if we didn't trade Perk in 2011...yep, I am going there) so that part should be dismissed

Why should it be dismissed? Was Haywardís injury inevitable, or was it caused by a specific landing caused by a specific play involving a unique situation?

In alternate version scenarios, the theory is that some events are due to happen no matter what, its just sometimes circumstances happen.

I know its fiction, but we are talking about theories here, and not having the certain things set in stone make for a very messy discussion. Example would be IT not getting traded wouldnt cause Hayward's injury, but Kyrie's pass to Lebron causes Horford's 6th foul, which makes us send Morris back in who collides with Hayward and cause a similar injury.

No, its a cleaner discussion if we accept certain events.

footnote: I know a lot of you look down on anime, but you guys should really watch Steins gate, its a very good one.

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2018, 07:40:16 AM »

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Chaos theory is involved in a lot of sciences now but it is not the hot new thing it was in the 90s.

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2018, 08:43:30 AM »

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- IT comes into the season late and struggles
- Crowder regresses and struggles to fit with Hayward
- The Brooklyn pick loses value
- Danny Ainge blows it up and we are back to square one.
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Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2018, 09:17:14 AM »

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It's obviously not fair to say that the pass to Hayward never would have happened (just as people argued that Wade wouldn't have necessarily ripped Rondo's arm out of its socket if we didn't trade Perk in 2011...yep, I am going there) so that part should be dismissed

Why should it be dismissed? Was Haywardís injury inevitable, or was it caused by a specific landing caused by a specific play involving a unique situation?

In alternate version scenarios, the theory is that some events are due to happen no matter what, its just sometimes circumstances happen.

I know its fiction, but we are talking about theories here, and not having the certain things set in stone make for a very messy discussion. Example would be IT not getting traded wouldnt cause Hayward's injury, but Kyrie's pass to Lebron causes Horford's 6th foul, which makes us send Morris back in who collides with Hayward and cause a similar injury.

No, its a cleaner discussion if we accept certain events.

footnote: I know a lot of you look down on anime, but you guys should really watch Steins gate, its a very good one.

TP for a good explanation of my initial point (in which I provided no explanation). I think it is easy for people to remove situations in which an injury occurred, but not take into consideration another event of similar proportions possibly occurring.

Maybe Hayward's ankle is fine and he is healthy this year, but Horford suffers torn pectoral muscle on a rebound where Hayward is in the way or maybe Kyrie suffers a torn ACL on a cut where Hayward is setting a screen...or maybe Hayward doesn't directly have anything to do with these injuries, but his mere presence leads to other players being in situations that cause similarly devastating injuries.

I don't believe in things being 'destined' to happen, but to assume something like Hayward's injury wouldn't have happened while everything else played out exactly as it did isn't totally fair.

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2018, 12:59:43 PM »

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We donít trade Avery, who ends up on the shelf. No Morris.

Avery was traded to sign Hayward, so that still happens.

If IT trade didn't happen, their record would probably be similar, on pace from about 50 wins, 2-3 seed, but they would have a much lower ceiling in the playoffs.

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2018, 01:43:57 PM »

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and if Al wasn't sick the other night then Smart and Theis would be playing the rest of the year ;)

Bottom of my stomach just dropped out.

Has there been a team more snakebit by injuries than Boston since the playoffs last year? For starters, if IT hadnít been injured, would they have needed to throw in the BKN pick - maybe a lesser pick wouldíve done it? Since then Hayward, Smart, Theis.

This is the curse of IT in action.

Danny promised IT a max contract if he'd play through injury and through the death of his sister and then backed out of his promise after IT fulfilled his half of the bargain...  This team is a beautiful skyrise condos built on top of a native american burial ground. 

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #25 on: March 18, 2018, 02:01:52 PM »

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We donít trade Avery, who ends up on the shelf. No Morris.

Avery was traded to sign Hayward, so that still happens.

If IT trade didn't happen, their record would probably be similar, on pace from about 50 wins, 2-3 seed, but they would have a much lower ceiling in the playoffs.

Yeah there is no way this team would have had 50 wins if the Kyrie trade didn't happen. IT was out half the season and has been mediocre since his return. Rozier was bad the first half of the season and would have been our starting point guard. Assuming Rozier reached the level of play he is at now once IT returned, there would have been a legitimate issue of who should be starting, which would have caused IT to go ballistic going into his free agency.

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2018, 02:31:49 PM »

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Danny promised IT a max contract if he'd play through injury and through the death of his sister and then backed out of his promise after IT fulfilled his half of the bargain...

Uh, what?

There is zero chance this actually happened.  Not even the worst GM in the league would be foolish enough to promise any player anything of the sort.

Re: Chaos Theory if IT Trade did not Happen
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2018, 04:25:50 PM »

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It's obviously not fair to say that the pass to Hayward never would have happened (just as people argued that Wade wouldn't have necessarily ripped Rondo's arm out of its socket if we didn't trade Perk in 2011...yep, I am going there) so that part should be dismissed

Why should it be dismissed? Was Haywardís injury inevitable, or was it caused by a specific landing caused by a specific play involving a unique situation?

In alternate version scenarios, the theory is that some events are due to happen no matter what, its just sometimes circumstances happen.

I know its fiction, but we are talking about theories here, and not having the certain things set in stone make for a very messy discussion. Example would be IT not getting traded wouldnt cause Hayward's injury, but Kyrie's pass to Lebron causes Horford's 6th foul, which makes us send Morris back in who collides with Hayward and cause a similar injury.

No, its a cleaner discussion if we accept certain events.

footnote: I know a lot of you look down on anime, but you guys should really watch Steins gate, its a very good one.
no we are not.

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