Is Charlotte most depressing NBA situation?

[hwangjini_1]

no. tonight's starting line up for the celtics are the most depressing nba situation. sigh. 

[green_bballers13]

Def one of em. I'm also going to include ATL, BKN, ORL, and SAC as teams that need to hit on multiple future lottery picks to begin to resemble a decent team. They will likely have higher picks, but that doesn't mean they'll pick the right player.

[Celtics4ever]

MJ as your owner and all those bad picks, yep it is bad.

[Moranis]

I really have no idea why they are this bad.

It's been a long time since Howard was a winning basketball player.  That's certainly part of it.

they only won 36 games last year though after winning 48 the year before.  I thought last year was a bit flukey, but it appears that is their talent level, which just seems strange, especially this year when there are so many bad teams.  They should have more wins.

[Surferdad]

MJ as your owner and all those bad picks, yep it is bad.

Preach it brother.  Here's a category that LBJ can surpass MJ in...well, maybe not. 

[CFAN38]

It's not pretty in Charlotte, but watching an Atlanta game is also a special experience.  An already dead fanbase has all but disappeared here in GA, and it has gotten worse with UGA's rise to top.  Memphis is also difficult to watch; Chandler Parson's injuries have set them back for years to come, and they've just chosen to ride it out with Gasol.

ATL is bad but at least they have a few nice young players and a high pick coming

Memphis is bad but they have Conley coming back next season and a high pick coming in to pair with Conley and Gasol

Kings are horribly run but they have some promising young pieces

Charlotte is stuck in a tough spot with a capped out roster then is yielding them a late lottery pick. They either need to blow it up or hope that they find a stud in the 9-12 range of the draft.

[Moranis]

It's not pretty in Charlotte, but watching an Atlanta game is also a special experience.  An already dead fanbase has all but disappeared here in GA, and it has gotten worse with UGA's rise to top.  Memphis is also difficult to watch; Chandler Parson's injuries have set them back for years to come, and they've just chosen to ride it out with Gasol.

ATL is bad but at least they have a few nice young players and a high pick coming

Memphis is bad but they have Conley coming back next season and a high pick coming in to pair with Conley and Gasol

Kings are horribly run but they have some promising young pieces

Charlotte is stuck in a tough spot with a capped out roster then is yielding them a late lottery pick. They either need to blow it up or hope that they find a stud in the 9-12 range of the draft.

On top of that, they have a horrible cap situation.  At least most of the bad teams aren't saddled with a ridiculous amount of bad contracts. 

[celticsclay]

Man there last 5 lottery picks Vonley, Kaminsky, Monk, Zeller, MKG. That will do it...

[Moranis]

Man there last 5 lottery picks Vonley, Kaminsky, Monk, Zeller, MKG. That will do it...

the last 3 were 11, 9, and 9 though.  Obviously Zeller at 4 and MKG 2 you would expect to do better (though the Zeller draft was horrible in the lottery - only Oladipo, Porter, McCollum, and Adams are any good and the first 2 were off the board), but it is hard to hit on picks around 10 (Walker was picked 9th the year before MKG).  That is the problem with mediocrity and why it really is just better to flat out tank when you just don't have the pieces to be a good team.

[celticsclay]

Man there last 5 lottery picks Vonley, Kaminsky, Monk, Zeller, MKG. That will do it...

the last 3 were 11, 9, and 9 though.  Obviously Zeller at 4 and MKG 2 you would expect to do better (though the Zeller draft was horrible in the lottery - only Oladipo, Porter, McCollum, and Adams are any good and the first 2 were off the board), but it is hard to hit on picks around 10 (Walker was picked 9th the year before MKG).  That is the problem with mediocrity and why it really is just better to flat out tank when you just don't have the pieces to be a good team.

I would also call Vonleh really bad at number 9. He has never played more than 15 minutes per game in a season. The picks right behind him included saric, levine, warren, nurkic, hood, capela. Even a fellow "bust" like Payton would have given them a lot more value.

There also is a good chance that Monk ends up pretty bad given that in the 10 or players picked after him Donovan Mitchell, OG Anunoby, Jarrett Allen, John Collins, Bam Adebayo, etc have all shown significantly more promise. Monk is shooting 32% from the field and 30% from 3. So not getting even a rotation player out of these late lottery picks repeatedly is also really crippling. 

Someone like Kaminsky, is at least a legit bench player than can give 20-25 minutes of solid play a game.

[Monkhouse]

Man there last 5 lottery picks Vonley, Kaminsky, Monk, Zeller, MKG. That will do it...

the last 3 were 11, 9, and 9 though.  Obviously Zeller at 4 and MKG 2 you would expect to do better (though the Zeller draft was horrible in the lottery - only Oladipo, Porter, McCollum, and Adams are any good and the first 2 were off the board), but it is hard to hit on picks around 10 (Walker was picked 9th the year before MKG).  That is the problem with mediocrity and why it really is just better to flat out tank when you just don't have the pieces to be a good team.

I would also call Vonleh really bad at number 9. He has never played more than 15 minutes per game in a season. The picks right behind him included saric, levine, warren, nurkic, hood, capela. Even a fellow "bust" like Payton would have given them a lot more value.

There also is a good chance that Monk ends up pretty bad given that in the 10 or players picked after him Donovan Mitchell, OG Anunoby, Jarrett Allen, John Collins, Bam Adebayo, etc have all shown significantly more promise. Monk is shooting 32% from the field and 30% from 3. So not getting even a rotation player out of these late lottery picks repeatedly is also really crippling. 

Someone like Kaminsky, is at least a legit bench player than can give 20-25 minutes of solid play a game.

I don't even get the Hornets reasoning behind half the picks, and of course the Kaminsky debacle.

[Moranis]

Man there last 5 lottery picks Vonley, Kaminsky, Monk, Zeller, MKG. That will do it...

the last 3 were 11, 9, and 9 though.  Obviously Zeller at 4 and MKG 2 you would expect to do better (though the Zeller draft was horrible in the lottery - only Oladipo, Porter, McCollum, and Adams are any good and the first 2 were off the board), but it is hard to hit on picks around 10 (Walker was picked 9th the year before MKG).  That is the problem with mediocrity and why it really is just better to flat out tank when you just don't have the pieces to be a good team.

I would also call Vonleh really bad at number 9. He has never played more than 15 minutes per game in a season. The picks right behind him included saric, levine, warren, nurkic, hood, capela. Even a fellow "bust" like Payton would have given them a lot more value.

There also is a good chance that Monk ends up pretty bad given that in the 10 or players picked after him Donovan Mitchell, OG Anunoby, Jarrett Allen, John Collins, Bam Adebayo, etc have all shown significantly more promise. Monk is shooting 32% from the field and 30% from 3. So not getting even a rotation player out of these late lottery picks repeatedly is also really crippling. 

Someone like Kaminsky, is at least a legit bench player than can give 20-25 minutes of solid play a game.

Oh no question, but rotation players don't really do much in the grand scheme of things unless you have top level talent.  And they moved on from Vonleh while he still had value and traded him and Henderson (a 12th pick) for Batum.  That was a clear win from a value standpoint, of course Batum was a free agent in the glorious summer of 2016 and the Hornets grossly overpaid for him.  I mean that is really their current problem.  They have a bunch of high priced role players and no top level talent.  Walker is pretty good, but he is no where near great or franchise altering talent, which leaves Charlotte in a weird spot. 

I think they are pretty clearly the team in the absolute worst position in the sport right now.  Unless they hit on like their 2% chance, they are going to have a later pick again, they have no cap flexibility at all, and they have no real assets (outside of Walker who will be expiring and due for a large contract in the summer of 2019 - so even his value is stunted).  There is basically no hope in Charlotte for at least a couple of seasons, and then even if they draft properly they are at least a few more from being able to get out of the bottom tier.  They aren't quite as in bad as shape as the Nets were a couple of seasons ago, but they honestly aren't much better off either.

[Beat LA]

Nah, it's not the most depressing team, although I haven't thought about it, to be honest, haha, and they'd be much better off, imo, by moving Batum to SF, putting MKG on the bench and hopefully trading him during the offseason or whatever, and starting Dwayne Bacon at SG. At that point, all they'd need would be a good player at the 4 to round out the starting five and that would, at least on paper, appear to be a pretty decent lineup, imo.

[Roy H.]

Sacramento is the most depressing NBA situation.

[hwangjini_1]

Sacramento is the most depressing NBA situation.

and for that we should all rejoice.