Ray Allen - Book excerpts - merged thread

[celticsclay]

Apparently Ray Allen is going to have a small section of the book discussing KG also. Seems like it may just end up airing a bunch of stuff that would have been best suited to stay inside the locker room. Hopefully the book is more fun and interesting stuff than the dirty laundry and gossip variety.

[kozlodoev]

*yawn* We still don't like how you left, Ray. Deal with it.

[Ilikesports17]

Apparently Ray Allen is going to have a small section of the book discussing KG also. Seems like it may just end up airing a bunch of stuff that would have been best suited to stay inside the locker room. Hopefully the book is more fun and interesting stuff than the dirty laundry and gossip variety.

based on the excerpts in the article I wouldnt hold my breath.

[kozlodoev]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

[alley oop]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

Chris Paul:
9× NBA All-Defensive Team:
    First Team: 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    Second Team: 2008, 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul

[johnnygreen]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

Chris Paul:
9× NBA All-Defensive Team:
    First Team: 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    Second Team: 2008, 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul

Your basically referring to hindsight. At the time Rondo was first team all defensive for 2009-10 and 2010-11. he was second team all defensive for 2008-09 and 2011-12. He also finish on the All NBA third team for 2011-12.

At the time, Rondo was highly regarded and was probably at the height of his trade value.

[alley oop]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

Chris Paul:
9× NBA All-Defensive Team:
    First Team: 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    Second Team: 2008, 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul

Your basically referring to hindsight. At the time Rondo was first team all defensive for 2009-10 and 2010-11. he was second team all defensive for 2008-09 and 2011-12. He also finish on the All NBA third team for 2011-12.

At the time, Rondo was highly regarded and was probably at the height of his trade value.

"2009" for Paul was hindsight. Do you read. Chris Paul > Rajon Rondo overall all day everyday. Rondo can't shoot and never could.

[kozlodoev]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

Chris Paul:
9× NBA All-Defensive Team:
    First Team: 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    Second Team: 2008, 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul

Yes, Chris Paul gets a lot of steals and does well in popularity contests. Rajon Rondo is the better defender. Before he decided to stop showing up, that is (and he was still showing up in 2011).

I mean, Kobe Bryant has twice as many all-defense selections as Tony Allen. I'm sure that's also an accurate representation of their relative defensive prowess.

[stb]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ray-allen-addresses-roots-of-problems-with-kevin-garnett-rajon-rondo-celtics-in-new-book/ar-BBK8sxX?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

[celticsclay]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/ray-allen-addresses-roots-of-problems-with-kevin-garnett-rajon-rondo-celtics-in-new-book/ar-BBK8sxX?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

Ray Allen really isn't a likeable guy at this point. I am sure playing years together all over the country and world there were times that every single player was a jerk for some reason or another. Him putting these negative experiences in a book and attacking his old teammates isn't going to do any good and just makes them all look worse. Sigh...

[Celtics4ever]

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*yawn* We still don't like how you left, Ray. Deal with it.

This x 1000

[action781]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

Chris Paul:
9× NBA All-Defensive Team:
    First Team: 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    Second Team: 2008, 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul

Yes, Chris Paul gets a lot of steals and does well in popularity contests. Rajon Rondo is the better defender. Before he decided to stop showing up, that is (and he was still showing up in 2011).

I mean, Kobe Bryant has twice as many all-defense selections as Tony Allen. I'm sure that's also an accurate representation of their relative defensive prowess.

I always found the exact opposite to be true.  I found Rondo was the steal chaser leaving his team stuck to bail him out behind him a la Iverson.  He went further and made lots of game changing huge plays, especially in big moments, but Chris Paul was always the more "stay in front of your man" defender who's defensive presence was exemplary of the kind that didn't show up in the box score, even despite his high steals.  I read a fivethirtyeight article a few years back about how he led the point guard position in fewest points per opponent jump shot attempt which tried to give quantitative evidence to support the eyeball test that a lot of hoops junkies felt about CP3's defense.

[kozlodoev]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

Chris Paul:
9× NBA All-Defensive Team:
    First Team: 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    Second Team: 2008, 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul

Yes, Chris Paul gets a lot of steals and does well in popularity contests. Rajon Rondo is the better defender. Before he decided to stop showing up, that is (and he was still showing up in 2011).

I mean, Kobe Bryant has twice as many all-defense selections as Tony Allen. I'm sure that's also an accurate representation of their relative defensive prowess.

I always found the exact opposite to be true.  I found Rondo was the steal chaser leaving his team stuck to bail him out behind him a la Iverson.  He went further and made lots of game changing huge plays, especially in big moments, but Chris Paul was always the more "stay in front of your man" defender who's defensive presence was exemplary of the kind that didn't show up in the box score, even despite his high steals.  I read a fivethirtyeight article a few years back about how he led the point guard position in fewest points per opponent jump shot attempt which tried to give quantitative evidence to support the eyeball test that a lot of hoops junkies felt about CP3's defense.

Interesting. I've always seen Rondo as a guy with an extra defensive gear that Paul couldn't match even if he tried. My eyeballs have never told me that Paul is first-team all-defense good -- and certainly not better than an engaged Rondo. I guess I'm in the minority.

[action781]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

Chris Paul:
9× NBA All-Defensive Team:
    First Team: 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    Second Team: 2008, 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul

Yes, Chris Paul gets a lot of steals and does well in popularity contests. Rajon Rondo is the better defender. Before he decided to stop showing up, that is (and he was still showing up in 2011).

I mean, Kobe Bryant has twice as many all-defense selections as Tony Allen. I'm sure that's also an accurate representation of their relative defensive prowess.

I always found the exact opposite to be true.  I found Rondo was the steal chaser leaving his team stuck to bail him out behind him a la Iverson.  He went further and made lots of game changing huge plays, especially in big moments, but Chris Paul was always the more "stay in front of your man" defender who's defensive presence was exemplary of the kind that didn't show up in the box score, even despite his high steals.  I read a fivethirtyeight article a few years back about how he led the point guard position in fewest points per opponent jump shot attempt which tried to give quantitative evidence to support the eyeball test that a lot of hoops junkies felt about CP3's defense.

Interesting. I've always seen Rondo as a guy with an extra defensive gear that Paul couldn't match even if he tried. My eyeballs have never told me that Paul is first-team all-defense good -- and certainly not better than an engaged Rondo. I guess I'm in the minority.

That I agree with.  Which I think is what made Rondo so uniquely amazing.  It was one that almost nobody could match I felt.  It was the 75% of the game where we didn't see that gear (and 75% of the regular season too) that bothered me.

[kozlodoev]

Is this true...??
Oh my...!!
What's wrong with you Doc??
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2763962-ray-allen-doc-rivers-called-off-chris-paul-trade-to-celtics-in-2011/

Whoever wrote that hot mess seems to think that Chris Paul would have been a defensive upgrade over Rondo in 2011. Talk about being clueless.

Chris Paul:
9× NBA All-Defensive Team:
    First Team: 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017
    Second Team: 2008, 2011
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Paul

Yes, Chris Paul gets a lot of steals and does well in popularity contests. Rajon Rondo is the better defender. Before he decided to stop showing up, that is (and he was still showing up in 2011).

I mean, Kobe Bryant has twice as many all-defense selections as Tony Allen. I'm sure that's also an accurate representation of their relative defensive prowess.

I always found the exact opposite to be true.  I found Rondo was the steal chaser leaving his team stuck to bail him out behind him a la Iverson.  He went further and made lots of game changing huge plays, especially in big moments, but Chris Paul was always the more "stay in front of your man" defender who's defensive presence was exemplary of the kind that didn't show up in the box score, even despite his high steals.  I read a fivethirtyeight article a few years back about how he led the point guard position in fewest points per opponent jump shot attempt which tried to give quantitative evidence to support the eyeball test that a lot of hoops junkies felt about CP3's defense.

Interesting. I've always seen Rondo as a guy with an extra defensive gear that Paul couldn't match even if he tried. My eyeballs have never told me that Paul is first-team all-defense good -- and certainly not better than an engaged Rondo. I guess I'm in the minority.

That I agree with.  Which I think is what made Rondo so uniquely amazing.  It was one that almost nobody could match I felt.  It was the 75% of the game where we didn't see that gear (and 75% of the regular season too) that bothered me.

I feel that got worse with time. Perhaps I'm misremembering, but I think that during the Big 3 period he was still on more often than not.