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Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2018, 09:01:57 PM »

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I really like the Horford, Theis, Baynes, Monroe options at the 4/5.  I think Theis may turn out to be the keeper among the non-Horford group -- maybe DA can tie him up with an extension (any CBA restrictions on doing this?). 

I wonder if Danny values Baynes or Monroe more -- if I had to guess, I'd say he likes Baynes, but that may change over the next 2 months.  Either way, they may both be difficult to re-sign.  I love the idea that Danny can swing for the fences (Leonard or Davis) or can make smaller moves with his array of young assets.  Outside of Hayward, Brown/Tatum/Rozier remain the key group to watch for the kind of leap that gives the C's another top tier asset. I'd hate to lose Smart -- he will add so much to the roster next year. 

C's may be an awfully enticing place to land for a prized MLE guy, or a role-playing banner chaser.
 

I mentioned this in another thread, but the prospect of keeping Theis is dicey at best. Even though he is technically a rookie, he was actually only signed as a FA and we don't hold his rights. Since his salary next year is only for $1.38M, we would only be allowed to sign him to 175% of that amount which is $2.4M. While that would be awesome, it probably isn't likely.

Of course we would have the ability to use the taxpayers MLE which will be slightly under $6M, but that is the best we will be able to do. Danny looks to have made a mistake not locking him in for 3 years which would give us full Bird rights.

This is incorrect.

Thies was signed to a two year contract as a rookie free agent, thus will have Early Bird Right's at the end of his current contract, and will be an 'Arenas Rule' restricted free agent in 2019.

The Celtics can 100% keep Theis if they choose to.

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2018, 09:24:56 PM »

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I really like the Horford, Theis, Baynes, Monroe options at the 4/5.  I think Theis may turn out to be the keeper among the non-Horford group -- maybe DA can tie him up with an extension (any CBA restrictions on doing this?). 

I wonder if Danny values Baynes or Monroe more -- if I had to guess, I'd say he likes Baynes, but that may change over the next 2 months.  Either way, they may both be difficult to re-sign.  I love the idea that Danny can swing for the fences (Leonard or Davis) or can make smaller moves with his array of young assets.  Outside of Hayward, Brown/Tatum/Rozier remain the key group to watch for the kind of leap that gives the C's another top tier asset. I'd hate to lose Smart -- he will add so much to the roster next year. 

C's may be an awfully enticing place to land for a prized MLE guy, or a role-playing banner chaser.
 

I mentioned this in another thread, but the prospect of keeping Theis is dicey at best. Even though he is technically a rookie, he was actually only signed as a FA and we don't hold his rights. Since his salary next year is only for $1.38M, we would only be allowed to sign him to 175% of that amount which is $2.4M. While that would be awesome, it probably isn't likely.

Of course we would have the ability to use the taxpayers MLE which will be slightly under $6M, but that is the best we will be able to do. Danny looks to have made a mistake not locking him in for 3 years which would give us full Bird rights.

This is incorrect.

Thies was signed to a two year contract as a rookie free agent, thus will have Early Bird Right's at the end of his current contract, and will be an 'Arenas Rule' restricted free agent in 2019.

The Celtics can 100% keep Theis if they choose to.

We have a $1.3M option for Theis next year which we will of course pick-up, but this is the first I am hearing of being able to keep him 'at all costs.' I am aware of the Arenas rule and thought that really only applied to teams not losing their 2nd round draft picks due to other teams offering an outrageous contract. They are now basically limited to offering no more than the non-taxpayers MLE in year 1 in order to give the player's current team and option to match.

Since we signed Theis to a FA contract, I was under the assumption that his contract status would operate the same as any other FA signing after two years (Early Bird rights). I know that we can use the MLE, but are you saying we really hold the same rights as if we had drafted him?

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2018, 09:31:47 PM »

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I really like the Horford, Theis, Baynes, Monroe options at the 4/5.  I think Theis may turn out to be the keeper among the non-Horford group -- maybe DA can tie him up with an extension (any CBA restrictions on doing this?). 

I wonder if Danny values Baynes or Monroe more -- if I had to guess, I'd say he likes Baynes, but that may change over the next 2 months.  Either way, they may both be difficult to re-sign.  I love the idea that Danny can swing for the fences (Leonard or Davis) or can make smaller moves with his array of young assets.  Outside of Hayward, Brown/Tatum/Rozier remain the key group to watch for the kind of leap that gives the C's another top tier asset. I'd hate to lose Smart -- he will add so much to the roster next year. 

C's may be an awfully enticing place to land for a prized MLE guy, or a role-playing banner chaser.
 

I mentioned this in another thread, but the prospect of keeping Theis is dicey at best. Even though he is technically a rookie, he was actually only signed as a FA and we don't hold his rights. Since his salary next year is only for $1.38M, we would only be allowed to sign him to 175% of that amount which is $2.4M. While that would be awesome, it probably isn't likely.

Of course we would have the ability to use the taxpayers MLE which will be slightly under $6M, but that is the best we will be able to do. Danny looks to have made a mistake not locking him in for 3 years which would give us full Bird rights.

This is incorrect.

Thies was signed to a two year contract as a rookie free agent, thus will have Early Bird Right's at the end of his current contract, and will be an 'Arenas Rule' restricted free agent in 2019.

The Celtics can 100% keep Theis if they choose to.

We have a $1.3M option for Theis next year which we will of course pick-up, but this is the first I am hearing of being able to keep him 'at all costs.' I am aware of the Arenas rule and thought that really only applied to teams not losing their 2nd round draft picks due to other teams offering an outrageous contract. They are now basically limited to offering no more than the non-taxpayers MLE in year 1 in order to give the player's current team and option to match.

Since we signed Theis to a FA contract, I was under the assumption that his contract status would operate the same as any other FA signing after two years (Early Bird rights). I know that we can use the MLE, but are you saying we really hold the same rights as if we had drafted him?

Yes, any player not taken in the first round of the draft is a restricted free agent for their first three years in the league.

Early Bird Right's allow a team to offer a free agent 175% of their previous contract or 105% of the previous season's 'average salary', whichever is greater, up to that player's maximum contract value.  And while technically the 'average salary' is usually slightly less than the non-taxpayer MLE, for the purposes of matching an offer sheet to an 'Arenas Rule' restricted free agent it doesn't matter, Early Bird Right's are sufficient.

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2018, 06:40:03 AM »

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Id love to have Monroe back next season as he brings a different dimension than our other bigs.

I love our bigs right now, but our long term prognosis is iffy.  Monroe and Baynes FAs the end of this year, Morris (I guess a swing as he plays the wing too) and Theis FAs the end of next season, and Horford is his early 30s 2 years from now.  Different than our wings and guards that I feel a lot better about for our future.

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2018, 12:09:00 PM »

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A lot of people were down on Monroe early.  Now that he has had a few practices under his belt, and gotten into game shape we are seeing what he can truly offer the team.  Scoring in close, good passing, and top notch rebounding.  Even though he is not the most mobile big his size at a true 6'10 allows him to be an imposing presence as long as he stays in position.

Pairing Monroe with Theis or Horford or even Morris gives us proper defensive length on the interior.  Celtics overall size is going to be a problem in the postseason.  Even our 2nd unit is long and not an easy task to score upon.

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2018, 12:24:56 PM »

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A lot of people were down on Monroe early.  Now that he has had a few practices under his belt, and gotten into game shape we are seeing what he can truly offer the team.  Scoring in close, good passing, and top notch rebounding.  Even though he is not the most mobile big his size at a true 6'10 allows him to be an imposing presence as long as he stays in position.

Pairing Monroe with Theis or Horford or even Morris gives us proper defensive length on the interior.  Celtics overall size is going to be a problem in the postseason.  Even our 2nd unit is long and not an easy task to score upon.

I think Monroe is the main reason we have improved so much recently just because he adds so much quality size to the team. Horford has grown a little soft frankly and Theis is a good option but not the massive presence Baynes and Monroe are. Just makes a huge difference on the team to have one of those guys in pretty much all game.

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2018, 12:40:15 PM »

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I really like the Horford, Theis, Baynes, Monroe options at the 4/5.  I think Theis may turn out to be the keeper among the non-Horford group -- maybe DA can tie him up with an extension (any CBA restrictions on doing this?). 

I wonder if Danny values Baynes or Monroe more -- if I had to guess, I'd say he likes Baynes, but that may change over the next 2 months.  Either way, they may both be difficult to re-sign.  I love the idea that Danny can swing for the fences (Leonard or Davis) or can make smaller moves with his array of young assets.  Outside of Hayward, Brown/Tatum/Rozier remain the key group to watch for the kind of leap that gives the C's another top tier asset. I'd hate to lose Smart -- he will add so much to the roster next year. 

C's may be an awfully enticing place to land for a prized MLE guy, or a role-playing banner chaser.
 

I mentioned this in another thread, but the prospect of keeping Theis is dicey at best. Even though he is technically a rookie, he was actually only signed as a FA and we don't hold his rights. Since his salary next year is only for $1.38M, we would only be allowed to sign him to 175% of that amount which is $2.4M. While that would be awesome, it probably isn't likely.


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Can you explain the part about Theis? I looked at a salaries page http://www.basketballinsiders.com/boston-celtics-team-salary/ that indicated he won't even be a free agent this summer. Is it wrong?

I really like Monroe but I think the team prefers Baynes. I doubt both are coming back next year.

The second unit has been very good since the break. Lineups with one big and Morris at the 4 are killng it. Using Monroe as such a big part of the offense really helped free everyone else up to get better shots. It's amazing that we almost beat the top team in the league with off nights from Al and Kyrie

I'd take Monroe all day over Baynes if it came to that. He's simply a much better player. I think by the end of the playoffs the team will come to the same conclusion. Although I'd keep both if I could. Theis I can take or leave. I know Celtics Nation thinks he's Dirk 2.0, but frankly he's a dime a dozen type guy. 6'9" stretch bigs that can't even shoot the 3 that well are pretty common. Someone like Ersan could fill his role better.


Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2018, 03:56:20 PM »

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I'd like to retain all of our bigs unless we can find upgrades, they all bring something a little different and it's nice to be able to throw out a solid big for any situation we face.
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Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2018, 05:54:24 PM »

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Id love to have Monroe back next season as he brings a different dimension than our other bigs.

I love our bigs right now, but our long term prognosis is iffy.  Monroe and Baynes FAs the end of this year, Morris (I guess a swing as he plays the wing too) and Theis FAs the end of next season, and Horford is his early 30s 2 years from now.  Different than our wings and guards that I feel a lot better about for our future.

Just to add what I wrote here, and thinking about minutes distribution with Gordon coming back year.  If we trade away Morris for say some sort of future pick, Gordon can slide into his player time and picking up extra minutes elsewhere.  Im hoping we can bring back both Monroe and Baynes next year.

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #39 on: March 07, 2018, 06:34:09 PM »

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Id love to have Monroe back next season as he brings a different dimension than our other bigs.

I love our bigs right now, but our long term prognosis is iffy.  Monroe and Baynes FAs the end of this year, Morris (I guess a swing as he plays the wing too) and Theis FAs the end of next season, and Horford is his early 30s 2 years from now.  Different than our wings and guards that I feel a lot better about for our future.

Just to add what I wrote here, and thinking about minutes distribution with Gordon coming back year.  If we trade away Morris for say some sort of future pick, Gordon can slide into his player time and picking up extra minutes elsewhere.  Im hoping we can bring back both Monroe and Baynes next year.

I think the FA market this summer is going to be tight after all the splurging as the cap went way up. Lots of teams running up against that tax. I'm thinking the best bet is to move Morris and take back as little $ as possible, resign Monroe, Baynes, and Smart and roll with this next year.

Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Tatum
Horford/Theis
Baynes/Monroe

with cheap bench fodder like Semi, Larkin, Yabu, Nader etc.

That will give any team in the league hell..

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2018, 06:47:51 PM »

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Id love to have Monroe back next season as he brings a different dimension than our other bigs.

I love our bigs right now, but our long term prognosis is iffy.  Monroe and Baynes FAs the end of this year, Morris (I guess a swing as he plays the wing too) and Theis FAs the end of next season, and Horford is his early 30s 2 years from now.  Different than our wings and guards that I feel a lot better about for our future.

Just to add what I wrote here, and thinking about minutes distribution with Gordon coming back year.  If we trade away Morris for say some sort of future pick, Gordon can slide into his player time and picking up extra minutes elsewhere.  Im hoping we can bring back both Monroe and Baynes next year.

I think the FA market this summer is going to be tight after all the splurging as the cap went way up. Lots of teams running up against that tax. I'm thinking the best bet is to move Morris and take back as little $ as possible, resign Monroe, Baynes, and Smart and roll with this next year.

Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Tatum
Horford/Theis
Baynes/Monroe

with cheap bench fodder like Semi, Larkin, Yabu, Nader etc.

That will give any team in the league hell..

TP. I like this and it's probably possible to keep this team together (unless Smart or Monroe have amazing playoff performances). And maybe in the summer of 2019 we could make a trade for Davis. With all these draft picks incoming we need to try to trade quantity for quality.
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Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2018, 08:14:02 PM »

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Id love to have Monroe back next season as he brings a different dimension than our other bigs.

I love our bigs right now, but our long term prognosis is iffy.  Monroe and Baynes FAs the end of this year, Morris (I guess a swing as he plays the wing too) and Theis FAs the end of next season, and Horford is his early 30s 2 years from now.  Different than our wings and guards that I feel a lot better about for our future.

Just to add what I wrote here, and thinking about minutes distribution with Gordon coming back year.  If we trade away Morris for say some sort of future pick, Gordon can slide into his player time and picking up extra minutes elsewhere.  Im hoping we can bring back both Monroe and Baynes next year.

I think the FA market this summer is going to be tight after all the splurging as the cap went way up. Lots of teams running up against that tax. I'm thinking the best bet is to move Morris and take back as little $ as possible, resign Monroe, Baynes, and Smart and roll with this next year.

Irving/Rozier
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Tatum
Horford/Theis
Baynes/Monroe

with cheap bench fodder like Semi, Larkin, Yabu, Nader etc.

That will give any team in the league hell..

TP. I like this and it's probably possible to keep this team together (unless Smart or Monroe have amazing playoff performances). And maybe in the summer of 2019 we could make a trade for Davis. With all these draft picks incoming we need to try to trade quantity for quality.

Yes, TP. I hadn't thought of Morris as the goner; his contract to production value is pretty good.

The wildcard is Danny's ability to find scrappy guards that might take minutes if we lose Smart,

The addition of Monroe fills out and balances the rotation of bigs. I like it a lot, but Horford aside, there are some specialists that could be upgraded if opportunity presents. Monroe/Baynes are offense/defense, Morris scores, and maybe Theis has the most skills/fewest holes, but lacks the bulk of MonroeBaynes.

Danny's got to keep tweaking, but I like this group.

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #42 on: March 07, 2018, 08:50:37 PM »

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NBA stats...last 7 games...Celtics bench:

#1 points/game
#1 rebounds game

Rest of the categories not so much, but we'll take these two.

Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2018, 02:25:48 PM »

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Re: Greg Monroe
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2018, 02:37:12 PM »

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Trading Morris bad idea. Too valuable providing bench points. Also toughness fits team profile.

I think we keep either Baines or Monroe but not both. Baines probably better fit since either would be off bench and we will have plenty of bench scoring with Rozier and Morris. Plus Smart.