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Kyrie...play a little defense please
« on: February 24, 2018, 09:32:57 PM »

Offline KGBirdBias

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Seriously, Trey Burke 24 points. He is close to being out the league. Kyrie needs to take a little more pride in defense. I love his offense but you can't score 30 and give up 25 to bench  PGs.


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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2018, 09:43:14 PM »

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Seriously, Trey Burke 24 points. He is close to being out the league. Kyrie needs to take a little more pride in defense. I love his offense but you can't score 30 and give up 25 to bench  PGs.

I'm massively critical of Kyrie's defense but I'm not sure this is the right game to complain about it.

Right now Burke has 24 points and is -3 in +/-. Irving is +19. The Cs are up 6. If you do the math, Burke must be doing most of his damage while Irving isn't on the floor.
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 09:54:42 PM »

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Seriously, Trey Burke 24 points. He is close to being out the league. Kyrie needs to take a little more pride in defense. I love his offense but you can't score 30 and give up 25 to bench  PGs.

I'm massively critical of Kyrie's defense but I'm not sure this is the right game to complain about it.

Right now Burke has 24 points and is -3 in +/-. Irving is +19. The Cs are up 6. If you do the math, Burke must be doing most of his damage while Irving isn't on the floor.
Yeah, looked to me like he was feasting on Rozier.

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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2018, 10:00:40 PM »

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Rozier unlike Marcus keeps getting hung up on screens

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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2018, 10:19:20 PM »

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Rozier unlike Marcus keeps getting hung up on screens

Dead on. 

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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2018, 10:22:27 PM »

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This game aside, his defense isnít very good. Heís allowing a 47.7% FG%, worst among rotation players on our team.  Heís the only rotation guy on our team who allows opponents to shoot better than their normal percentage. He ranks in roughly the bottom 20% of starters in terms of FG% differential (what opponents normally shoot vs. what they shoot when covered by Kyrie).

Since Christmas, heís allowed 50.9% shooting.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=1&CF=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*Bos:GP*GE*10&DateFrom=12%2F25%2F2017&DateTo=02%2F24%2F2018

Looking at those post-Christmas stats, it seems like everybody is doing his job well except for Kyrie (and Monroe, which is understandable). Horford and Smart in particular have been defensive beasts.


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« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2018, 10:46:54 PM »

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Kyrieís defense has slipped since First 3rd of season.

On a night like tonight it doesnít matter. He was awesome on offense.

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« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2018, 10:52:55 PM »

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Kyrieís defense has slipped since First 3rd of season.

On a night like tonight it doesnít matter. He was awesome on offense.


Better step that D up in the playoffs! Don't need him to be the greatest but he has to be much better!
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« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2018, 10:59:20 PM »

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This game aside, his defense isnít very good. Heís allowing a 47.7% FG%, worst among rotation players on our team.  Heís the only rotation guy on our team who allows opponents to shoot better than their normal percentage. He ranks in roughly the bottom 20% of starters in terms of FG% differential (what opponents normally shoot vs. what they shoot when covered by Kyrie).

Since Christmas, heís allowed 50.9% shooting.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=1&CF=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*Bos:GP*GE*10&DateFrom=12%2F25%2F2017&DateTo=02%2F24%2F2018

Looking at those post-Christmas stats, it seems like everybody is doing his job well except for Kyrie (and Monroe, which is understandable). Horford and Smart in particular have been defensive beasts.

Good stats, but we need a bit more context.

For instance, other guards in the league that allow a bigger differential than Irving are Murray, Rubio, Hield, Hood, Burks, Schroeder, Russell, Fournier, KCP, Oubre, Stephenson, Jackson, Teague, Rondo, Smith, Booker, Parker, Barton, and STEPHEN CURRY.

Clarkson, Payton, Brogdon, Bradley, Delly, Paul, Rivers, and Hill all allow a positive point differential also.

You can't only look at the percentage of makes. You also need to look at the number of shots allowed by Irving. Irving is allowing the 38th most field goal attempts per game among guards who have played at least 30 games. There could be many reasons for that, but one possibility is that Irving is forcing the ball out of the his man's hands.

Players that allow more field goal attempts per game and a higher percentage than Irving include Payton, Smith, Schroeder, Dunn, Booker, Murray, Fournier, Teague, and Barton.

This is not adjusted on a per36 minute basis, because I don't feel like doing that right now. It does, however, give more context to the numbers you presented.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2018, 11:11:39 PM by DefenseWinsChamps »

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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2018, 11:03:00 PM »

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This game aside, his defense isnít very good. Heís allowing a 47.7% FG%, worst among rotation players on our team.  Heís the only rotation guy on our team who allows opponents to shoot better than their normal percentage. He ranks in roughly the bottom 20% of starters in terms of FG% differential (what opponents normally shoot vs. what they shoot when covered by Kyrie).

Since Christmas, heís allowed 50.9% shooting.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=1&CF=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*Bos:GP*GE*10&DateFrom=12%2F25%2F2017&DateTo=02%2F24%2F2018

Looking at those post-Christmas stats, it seems like everybody is doing his job well except for Kyrie (and Monroe, which is understandable). Horford and Smart in particular have been defensive beasts.

I expect that this is what we're going to see with Kyrie. He might not be the worst defender in the league, but he's not a very good one. I have about the same level of hope that Marcus will develop a good offensive game and Kyrie will be a good defender. Kyrie's offensive abilities will continue to make him an incredibly valuable player overall.

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2018, 11:23:18 PM »

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This game aside, his defense isnít very good. Heís allowing a 47.7% FG%, worst among rotation players on our team.  Heís the only rotation guy on our team who allows opponents to shoot better than their normal percentage. He ranks in roughly the bottom 20% of starters in terms of FG% differential (what opponents normally shoot vs. what they shoot when covered by Kyrie).

Since Christmas, heís allowed 50.9% shooting.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=1&CF=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*Bos:GP*GE*10&DateFrom=12%2F25%2F2017&DateTo=02%2F24%2F2018

Looking at those post-Christmas stats, it seems like everybody is doing his job well except for Kyrie (and Monroe, which is understandable). Horford and Smart in particular have been defensive beasts.

Good stats, but we need a bit more context.

For instance, other guards in the league that allow a bigger differential than Irving are Murray, Rubio, Hield, Hood, Burks, Schroeder, Russell, Fournier, KCP, Oubre, Stephenson, Jackson, Teague, Rondo, Smith, Booker, Parker, Barton, and STEPHEN CURRY.

Clarkson, Payton, Brogdon, Bradley, Delly, Paul, Rivers, and Hill all allow a positive point differential also.

You can't only look at the percentage of makes. You also need to look at the number of shots allowed by Irving. Irving is allowing the 38th most field goal attempts per game among guards who have played at least 30 games. There could be many reasons for that, but one possibility is that Irving is forcing the ball out of the his man's hands.

Players that allow more field goal attempts per game and a higher percentage than Irving include Payton, Smith, Schroeder, Dunn, Booker, Murray, Fournier, Teague, and Barton.

This is not adjusted on a per36 minute basis, because I don't feel like doing that right now. It does, however, give more context to the numbers you presented.

Is there a context that shows him not in the bottom third defensively among starters?

Itís not a coincidence that the one guy on our team with a poor defensive reputation happens to be the worst defensive player on our team statistically.

And itís not just FG% differential. Heís last among our regulars in DRtg and Defensive Boxscore Plus Minus, too, and the team gives up 5.4 points more per 100 possessions with Kyrie on the court versus the bench.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2018, 01:29:05 AM by Roy H. »


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Re: Kyrie...play a little defense please
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2018, 12:11:07 AM »

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Kyrieís defense has slipped since First 3rd of season.

On a night like tonight it doesnít matter. He was awesome on offense.


Better step that D up in the playoffs! Don't need him to be the greatest but he has to be much better!

you should text him ...let him know such ...LOL

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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2018, 01:21:38 AM »

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This game aside, his defense isnít very good. Heís allowing a 47.7% FG%, worst among rotation players on our team.  Heís the only rotation guy on our team who allows opponents to shoot better than their normal percentage. He ranks in roughly the bottom 20% of starters in terms of FG% differential (what opponents normally shoot vs. what they shoot when covered by Kyrie).

Since Christmas, heís allowed 50.9% shooting.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=1&CF=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*Bos:GP*GE*10&DateFrom=12%2F25%2F2017&DateTo=02%2F24%2F2018

Looking at those post-Christmas stats, it seems like everybody is doing his job well except for Kyrie (and Monroe, which is understandable). Horford and Smart in particular have been defensive beasts.

Good stats, but we need a bit more context.

For instance, other guards in the league that allow a bigger differential than Irving are Murray, Rubio, Hield, Hood, Burks, Schroeder, Russell, Fournier, KCP, Oubre, Stephenson, Jackson, Teague, Rondo, Smith, Booker, Parker, Barton, and STEPHEN CURRY.

Clarkson, Payton, Brogdon, Bradley, Delly, Paul, Rivers, and Hill all allow a positive point differential also.

You can't only look at the percentage of makes. You also need to look at the number of shots allowed by Irving. Irving is allowing the 38th most field goal attempts per game among guards who have played at least 30 games. There could be many reasons for that, but one possibility is that Irving is forcing the ball out of the his man's hands.

Players that allow more field goal attempts per game and a higher percentage than Irving include Payton, Smith, Schroeder, Dunn, Booker, Murray, Fournier, Teague, and Barton.

This is not adjusted on a per36 minute basis, because I don't feel like doing that right now. It does, however, give more context to the numbers you presented.

What context? Listing other names from a list isn't meaningful. If I'm left to guess, is your punchline that many guards are poor defenders?

That's very unlikely, given his poor effort.  The statistical drops Roy noted may be best explained by reduced effort -- he's getting comfortable in Boston.

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2018, 01:40:55 AM »

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This game aside, his defense isnít very good. Heís allowing a 47.7% FG%, worst among rotation players on our team.  Heís the only rotation guy on our team who allows opponents to shoot better than their normal percentage. He ranks in roughly the bottom 20% of starters in terms of FG% differential (what opponents normally shoot vs. what they shoot when covered by Kyrie).

Since Christmas, heís allowed 50.9% shooting.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=1&CF=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*Bos:GP*GE*10&DateFrom=12%2F25%2F2017&DateTo=02%2F24%2F2018

Looking at those post-Christmas stats, it seems like everybody is doing his job well except for Kyrie (and Monroe, which is understandable). Horford and Smart in particular have been defensive beasts.

Good stats, but we need a bit more context.

For instance, other guards in the league that allow a bigger differential than Irving are Murray, Rubio, Hield, Hood, Burks, Schroeder, Russell, Fournier, KCP, Oubre, Stephenson, Jackson, Teague, Rondo, Smith, Booker, Parker, Barton, and STEPHEN CURRY.

Clarkson, Payton, Brogdon, Bradley, Delly, Paul, Rivers, and Hill all allow a positive point differential also.

You can't only look at the percentage of makes. You also need to look at the number of shots allowed by Irving. Irving is allowing the 38th most field goal attempts per game among guards who have played at least 30 games. There could be many reasons for that, but one possibility is that Irving is forcing the ball out of the his man's hands.

Players that allow more field goal attempts per game and a higher percentage than Irving include Payton, Smith, Schroeder, Dunn, Booker, Murray, Fournier, Teague, and Barton.

This is not adjusted on a per36 minute basis, because I don't feel like doing that right now. It does, however, give more context to the numbers you presented.

Is there a context that shows him not in the bottom third defensively among starters?

Itís not a coincidence that the one guy on our team with a poor defensive reputation happens to be the worst defensive player on our team statistically.

And itís not just FG% differential. Heís last among our regulars in DRtg and Defensive Boxscore Plus Minus, too, and the team gives up 5.4 points more per 100 possessions with Kyrie on the court versus the bench.

Still plays better D than IT...
For those expecting to get a defensive gorce with Kyrie sorry...
For those of us expecting a Defensive improvement from IT,  we are happy!

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2018, 01:44:53 AM »

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This game aside, his defense isnít very good. Heís allowing a 47.7% FG%, worst among rotation players on our team.  Heís the only rotation guy on our team who allows opponents to shoot better than their normal percentage. He ranks in roughly the bottom 20% of starters in terms of FG% differential (what opponents normally shoot vs. what they shoot when covered by Kyrie).

Since Christmas, heís allowed 50.9% shooting.

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-overall/?Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&sort=PCT_PLUSMINUS&dir=1&CF=PLAYER_LAST_TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*Bos:GP*GE*10&DateFrom=12%2F25%2F2017&DateTo=02%2F24%2F2018

Looking at those post-Christmas stats, it seems like everybody is doing his job well except for Kyrie (and Monroe, which is understandable). Horford and Smart in particular have been defensive beasts.

Good stats, but we need a bit more context.

For instance, other guards in the league that allow a bigger differential than Irving are Murray, Rubio, Hield, Hood, Burks, Schroeder, Russell, Fournier, KCP, Oubre, Stephenson, Jackson, Teague, Rondo, Smith, Booker, Parker, Barton, and STEPHEN CURRY.

Clarkson, Payton, Brogdon, Bradley, Delly, Paul, Rivers, and Hill all allow a positive point differential also.

You can't only look at the percentage of makes. You also need to look at the number of shots allowed by Irving. Irving is allowing the 38th most field goal attempts per game among guards who have played at least 30 games. There could be many reasons for that, but one possibility is that Irving is forcing the ball out of the his man's hands.

Players that allow more field goal attempts per game and a higher percentage than Irving include Payton, Smith, Schroeder, Dunn, Booker, Murray, Fournier, Teague, and Barton.

This is not adjusted on a per36 minute basis, because I don't feel like doing that right now. It does, however, give more context to the numbers you presented.

Is there a context that shows him not in the bottom third defensively among starters?

Itís not a coincidence that the one guy on our team with a poor defensive reputation happens to be the worst defensive player on our team statistically.

And itís not just FG% differential. Heís last among our regulars in DRtg and Defensive Boxscore Plus Minus, too, and the team gives up 5.4 points more per 100 possessions with Kyrie on the court versus the bench.

Still plays better D than IT...
For those expecting to get a defensive gorce with Kyrie sorry...
For those of us expecting a Defensive improvement from IT,  we are happy!

Yep