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Who did the best in the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline

Atlanta Hawks - shake603
5 (8.8%)
Boston Celtics - Birdman
0 (0%)
Brooklyn Nets - DefenseWinsChamps
0 (0%)
Charlotte Hornets - Moranis
2 (3.5%)
Chicago Bulls - Somebody
0 (0%)
Cleveland Cavaliers - jpotter33
2 (3.5%)
Dallas Mavericks - CELTICSofBOSTON
3 (5.3%)
Denver Nuggets - Humble G
3 (5.3%)
Detroit Pistons - ChillyWilly
0 (0%)
Golden State Warriors - saltlover
0 (0%)
Houston Rockets - JohnBoy65
0 (0%)
Indiana Pacers - gift
0 (0%)
LA Clippers - sirnastee
0 (0%)
Los Angeles Lakers - gouki88
3 (5.3%)
Memphis Grizzlies - CsBanner18
0 (0%)
Miami Heat - DrJasper
1 (1.8%)
Milwaukee Bucks - A Future of Stevens
9 (15.8%)
Minnesota Timberwolves - Bucketgetter
7 (12.3%)
New Orleans Pelicans - saltlover
6 (10.5%)
New York Knicks - Phantom255x
3 (5.3%)
Oklahoma City Thunder - green_bballers13
0 (0%)
Orlando Magic - Big333223
2 (3.5%)
Philadelphia 76ers - action781
5 (8.8%)
Phoenix Suns - Rodytur10
1 (1.8%)
Portland Trail Blazers - Csfan1984
2 (3.5%)
Sacramento Kings - tazzmaniac
0 (0%)
San Antonio Spurs - Quetzalcoatl
0 (0%)
Toronto Raptors - celticsclay
1 (1.8%)
Utah Jazz - DefenseWinsChamps
1 (1.8%)
Washington Wizards - gouki88
1 (1.8%)

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Poll: Who did best at the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline?
« on: February 12, 2018, 09:37:45 AM »

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Please vote for up to 5.
If you participated in the Mock Trade Deadline and you haven't gotten me your team in the format below, please do so and I will update it.
For a more detailed explanation about each team's moves and reasoning, visit this thread.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95224.msg2460271#new

Atlanta Hawks - shake603
Outgoing: Dennis Schroder, Marco Belinelli, Ersan Ilyasova, Dwayne Dedmon, Luke Babbitt, Deandre Bembry, Malcolm Delaney, Isaiah Taylor, two second round picks.
Incoming: Joakim Noah, Luol Deng, Marcin Gortat, Thomas Bryant, 5 first round picks. 1 unprotected 2018 from WSH, 2 from LAL, both with two years of protection before going unprotected, starting in 2020. 2 from NYK. 1 unprotected in 2018, other to convey with protections starting in 2020. Unprotected 3 years in.
In a nutshell Atlanta wanted to gather some draft equity for use or future trades. Nobody was untouchable.

Boston Celtics - Birdman

Brooklyn Nets - DefenseWinsChamps
Outgoing: Lin, Carroll, Okafor, Stauskas, Dinwiddie
Incoming: Parsons, Deyonte Davis, Dillon Brooks, Snell, DJ Wilson, 2018 Bucks 2nd rounder
We wanted to sell-high on our rotation players, take on bad contracts, and receive young, high-upside players and draft assets.

Charlotte Hornets - Moranis
Outgoing: Kidd-Gilchrist, Williams, Batum, Walker, Zeller, CHA 2018 1st (lotto protected)
Incoming: Wiggins, Teague, Rubio, Faried, Bradley, Muhammad
When a trade for Wiggins materialized, we jumped at it and have built an excellent team surrounding our 3 young rising stars (Wiggins, Monk, and Kaminsky) with solid veterans to stay competitive.

Chicago Bulls - Somebody

Cleveland Cavaliers - jpotter33

Dallas Mavericks - CELTICSofBOSTON

Denver Nuggets - Humble G
Outgoing: Faried, Chandler, Arthur, Mudiay, 2018 DEN 1st, 2020 DEN 1st
Incoming:Harrison Barnes + MKG.
The goal was to add a possible Star while keeping the young core of the Nuggets intact.

Detroit Pistons - ChillyWilly

Golden State Warriors - saltlover
Outgoing: None
Incoming: None
Goals: Donít break it, but try to get an asset while clearing a roster spot for buyouts.

Houston Rockets - JohnBoy65

Indiana Pacers - gift

LA Clippers - sirnastee

Los Angeles Lakers - gouki88
OUTGOING: Jordan Clarkson, Julius Randle, Larry Nance Jr., Josh Hart, Luol Deng, Thomas Bryant, two first round picks, protections as follows: First pick protected 1-8 in 2020, 1-5 in 2021, unprotected in 2022.  The second pick will be 1-8 in 2022, 1-5 in 2023, unprotected in 2024. Conveyance of the second pick to begin two years after the first pick.
INCOMING: DeMarcus Cousins, Tony Allen, Cheick Diallo, Willy Hernangomez, Doug McDermott, 2018 Chicago 2nd, DeAndre Bembry, Malcolm Delaney, Isaiah Taylor, Luke Babbit, Atlanta 2018 2nd, $750k cash consideration
The main goal in LA was to clear cap space for big 2018 and 2019 summers, while keeping our young core together.

Memphis Grizzlies - CsBanner18

Miami Heat - DrJasper
Outgoing: Goran Dragic, Hassan Whiteside, Wayne Ellington, A.J. Hammons
Incoming: Otto Porter Jr, Dejounte Murray, Rudy Gay, Pau Gasol, 2018 & 2020 Spurs 1st's (unprotected)
Our goal was to get younger and build for the future, while still remaining competitive.

Milwaukee Bucks - A Future of Stevens
Outgoing: Jabari Parker, Mirza Teletovic, Kris Middleton, Eric Bledsoe, Thon Maker, DJ Wilson, Tony Snell
Incoming: Kawhi Leonard, Danny Green, Jared Dudley, Spencer Dinwiddie, Nik Stauskas, Jahlil Okafor
We jumped at the opportunity to acquire a 2nd top 5 mvp caliber player in Kawhi to pair with Giannis in addition to dumping long term salary and picking up a long term sixth man in Dinwiddie.

Minnesota Timberwolves - Bucketgetter
Incoming: Kemba Walker, Rodney Hood, Derrick Favors, Nic Batum, Jonas Jerebko, Treveon Graham, 2018 CHA 1st (Lottery protected)
Outgoing: Andrew Wiggins, Jeff Teague, Gorgui Dieng, Shabazz Muhammad, Justin Patton
create a much better fit around KAT/Butler, get another star in Kemba, create cap space for next year by acquiring expiring contracts, and adding a potentially very valuable pick to add another star.

New Orleans Pelicans - saltlover
Outgoing: Cousins, Asik, Nelson, Allen, Diallo, Cunningham, Clark,Cooke (released 2-way), 2018 1st (lottery protected, 2019 Top-10 protected, converts to 2nds in 2019 and 2020), 2018 2nd from Washington (also traded in mock deadline), 2019 2nd from Lakers or Minny (also traded in mock deadline), $2.5 million cash
Incoming: Vucevic, Nance Jr., Hart, Clarkson, Ilyasova, Dotson, Johnson, Bird (2-way), 2018 Boston 2nd round (top-55 protected), other 2nds listed above that were also traded away
Goals: Replace Boogie while competing for next two seasons so AD will stay for Supermax (eligible in July 2019), staying out of the luxury tax, improving depth, and not trading away future draft picks.

New York Knicks - Phantom255x
Outgoing: Noah, Lee, O'Quinn, McDermott, Hernangomez, Dotson, 2018 NYK First Rounder, 2018 2nd rounder via Chicago
Incoming: Randle, Shroder, Abrines, Singler, Huestis, 2022 OKC First Rounder (Lottery protected 2022, Top-8 protected 2023, unprotected 2024), 2020 OKC 2nd Rounder, $1.75M cash from Pelicans
We wanted to sell-high on some expirings and role players, get rid of any bad/detrimental contracts going forward, and acquire some future, high-upside players and some picks.

Oklahoma City Thunder - green_bballers13

Orlando Magic - Big333223
Outgoing: Evan Fournier, Nikola Vucevic, Jonathan Simmons, Sheldon Mack
Incoming: Evan Turner, Omer Asik, Joe Johnson, Ekpe Udoh, Caleb Swanigan, Portlandís 1st Rounder (top 7 protected 2018, 2019 and unprotected 2020), New Orleans 1st Rounder (top 14 protected 2018, top 10 in 2019, converts to a 2nd in 2019 and 2020), Utahs 2018 2nd round, 2018 Washington 2nd, 2019 2nd that is the lesser of Minnesota and Lakers
The Orlando Magic tried to get as many assets as possible for players that didn't fit that timeline while aligning our biggest contracts to expire together so we have cap space before those players all enter their primes.

Philadelphia 76ers - action781
Outgoing:  TJ McConnell, Amir Johnson, 2018 PHI 1st round draft pick
Incoming:  Avery Bradley, Boban Marjanovic
We wanted to parlay some of our future assets into players that could help us build a winning culture now without blowing up our long-term future or getting into the near-term luxury tax.

Phoenix Suns - Rodytur10
Outgoing: Monroe, Knight, Dudley, A.Williams, Bender, Chriss, Ulis, Canaan, '18 Phoenix 1st (1st selection prot.), '18 Milwaukee 1st, '18 Phoenix 2nd, '18 Milwaukee 2nd
Incoming: Jordan, Teletovic, Collison, J.Parker, Beverley, Leaf, J.Young
We felt that we needed to change the course and get some great veterans, who play consistent and can improve our defense, to lead our young stars into the playoffs next year.

Portland Trail Blazers - Csfan1984
Outgoing: Vonleh, Turner, Swanigan, 2018 1st (Top 7 protection two years).
Incoming: Fournier and draft rights to Karaman
Goal was to improve the team and get under the luxary tax.

Sacramento Kings - tazzmaniac

San Antonio Spurs - Quetzalcoatl

Toronto Raptors - celticsclay

Utah Jazz - DefenseWinsChamps
Outgoing: Gobert, Favors, Johnson, Rubio, Hood, Burks, Udoh, Jerebko, Sefalosa, Bradley, 2018 2nd
Incoming: Beal, Williams, Zeller, Dieng, Patton, Mahinmi, Mack, Simmons,
Goal: To build an exciting two-way team around Mitchell and Beal, with contracts that could be used to acquire a third star in the coming years.

Washington Wizards - gouki88
OUTGOING: Bradley Beal, Ian Mahinmi, Marcin Gortat, 2019 1st, 2018 2nd, Otto Porter Jr.
INCOMING: Goran Dragic, Tyler Johnson, Marco Belinelli, Dewayne Dedmon, Rudy Gobert, Alec Burks, Jameer Nelson
The Wizards were trying to do an on the fly reshaping of the team, as the chemistry issues and lack of success have been well documented, therefore we made moves in order to ensure both long term and short term success in the absence of Wall.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2018, 01:49:41 PM by DefenseWinsChamps »

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 Mock Trade Deadline?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2018, 10:31:27 AM »

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I voted for Denver, LA Lakers, Milwaukee, Orlando and Philly.

DEN = I liked adding Harrison Barnes. Moved vets who were no longer in long term plans
LAL = Adding Cousins makes them more of a FA destination
MIL = Kawhi + Giannis is a winning combo
ORL = Got rid of dead wood, added future assets
PHI = Avery Bradley is a great fit next to Ben Simmons and Co.

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 Mock Trade Deadline?
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2018, 11:19:01 AM »

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The Bucks have to be at the top of everyone's votes. They got Leonard to pair with Giannis. That was highway robbery.

I also like what the wolves did. Although I think they are better, it seems like they mortgaged their upside for immediacy, which seems futile with the current Warriors situation.

Of course, I like my team a lot too. The due of Mitchell-Beal should be pretty tough for years to come, and surrounding them with high-level NBA players on good contracts was not easy. They aren't contenders, but they do have roster flexibility when the next "Leonard" trade possibility comes up.

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 Mock Trade Deadline?
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2018, 01:09:37 PM »

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I wont delve into my votes too much, but I really liked what the Pelicans and the Sixers did at the deadline.

Using Demarcus' cold dead corpse to restock your team with legitimate talent around AD was a good move. It may have lowered the ceiling, but we wont know for a year.

In the case of Philly, getting AB is a great addition to grow with their core. He can lock down opposing guards, while playing off of Simmons and Embiid.
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Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 Mock Trade Deadline?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2018, 01:16:46 PM »

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For those who didn't see it and want to vote, some owners posted lengthier explanations of their decisions here:

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=95224.msg2460271\

Also, folks, this is the MOCK deadline we ran over the forums.  Not the real deadline (I see some votes for the Cavs, and while I know jpotter made real efforts to move LeBron, my instinct says those votes are for Koby Altman).  Might want to capitalize MOCK in the title to draw more emphasis.
2018 Mock Trade Deadline:

Pelicans: Davis, Holiday, Vucevic, Rondo, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, Moore, Ilyasova, Ajinca, Hill, Miller, Jackson, Dotson, Dakari Johnson

Warriors:  KD, Steph, Klay, Draymomd, Iggy, Zaza, Young, Livingston, McGee, West, McCaw, Jones, Casspi, Jones, Looney

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Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 Mock Trade Deadline?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2018, 01:29:10 PM »

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Just wanted to add a comment on this. I actually talked to a few different posters about making moves, however this was during the apex of connectivity issues and after constantly having my messages time out, and being unable to see the responses I finally gave up on it (I also had some last minute unplanned work travel that made things challenging without the connectivity issues) All that being said apologies to the fellow posters that I wasn't able to take a bigger part in this. It seems like a lot of fun.

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 Mock Trade Deadline?
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2018, 02:09:54 PM »

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Just wanted to add a comment on this. I actually talked to a few different posters about making moves, however this was during the apex of connectivity issues and after constantly having my messages time out, and being unable to see the responses I finally gave up on it (I also had some last minute unplanned work travel that made things challenging without the connectivity issues) All that being said apologies to the fellow posters that I wasn't able to take a bigger part in this. It seems like a lot of fun.

It was frustrating. If Celtics blog hasn't figured this out soon, they'll be losing my participation.

Luckily, something like this can easily be done on social media or reddit. If things are like this next year, that may be the direction I go.

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 Mock Trade Deadline?
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2018, 02:12:28 PM »

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Just wanted to add a comment on this. I actually talked to a few different posters about making moves, however this was during the apex of connectivity issues and after constantly having my messages time out, and being unable to see the responses I finally gave up on it (I also had some last minute unplanned work travel that made things challenging without the connectivity issues) All that being said apologies to the fellow posters that I wasn't able to take a bigger part in this. It seems like a lot of fun.

It was frustrating. If Celtics blog hasn't figured this out soon, they'll be losing my participation.

Luckily, something like this can easily be done on social media or reddit. If things are like this next year, that may be the direction I go.

Yeah like I made my deals/discussions before the connection problems became rampant, BUT PM'ing you the information (outgoing, incoming, etc.) took FOREVER. For some reason every time I hit "send", connection problems popped up. I did copy my text so that wasn't a problem, but after like a half an hour I gave up and just saved it to word before trying again the next day (where it worked after like 5 tries).

But it was weird, because the servers were slow, BUT the connection problems message ONLY occured each time I tried hitting "send" in the PM to you. Otherwise, it was slow but I still managed to come here and click threads. :P
2018 Mock Trade Deadline (New York Knicks)

Roster: Porzingis, Kanter, Hardaway Jr, Julius Randle, Schroder, Beasley, Alex Abrines, Jarrett Jack, Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas, Kyle Singler, Josh Huestis, Ron Baker, Trey Burke, Luke Kornet, Isaiah Hicks

Future Draft Picks: https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Knick

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline?
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2018, 06:11:40 PM »

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Someone vote Dallas for me please.  I voted before I remembered that they made a couple trades I really liked (since they didn't respond to the request to summarize their moves).  But 3 1sts, Yabusele, Mudaiy, Nader, and contracts that all expire next year was a great return for Noel and Harrison Barnes.  In two years they'll have a virtually clean cap sheet to hit free agency with DSJ (who seems already respected by some vets) and several other picks, including this year's and next year's high selections.  If they can right the ship on Mudaiy or turn Yabusele into something, that's a bonus.
2018 Mock Trade Deadline:

Pelicans: Davis, Holiday, Vucevic, Rondo, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, Moore, Ilyasova, Ajinca, Hill, Miller, Jackson, Dotson, Dakari Johnson

Warriors:  KD, Steph, Klay, Draymomd, Iggy, Zaza, Young, Livingston, McGee, West, McCaw, Jones, Casspi, Jones, Looney

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Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 11:10:23 AM »

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I voted Hawks, Mavericks, Timberwolves, Trailblazers, and my Magic.

The Hawks getting 5 firsts to build around was really nice. The Mavericks because of what Saltlover posted above. The Timberwolves make more sense now and I even think Batum will be better as the 4th option there than he was as the second option in Charlotte. The Trailblazers got off one of the worst contracts in the NBA and brought in a starting SF so they did good.

And I voted for myself because I did everything I wanted to and established a path forward for the Magic and set them up for a big year in 2019/2020.

I see Milwaukee is leading in votes but I'm skeptical. I know that Giannis/Kawhi is a sexy combination but Kawhi is injured and we've never seen him away from Pop. They also have no starting caliber PG or big man. That team has 4th seed for the next 5 years written all over it to me.

I also see Philly with a lot of votes. My first reaction to Philly was positive because I think Avery Bradley is a no brainer for them and they should outbid everyone else for him this summer. But that's when I remembered that Bradley could be had this summer without giving up a first rounder.

Those are my thoughts.
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Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline?
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 02:29:24 PM »

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Should we wait until everybody has put through their pm to the commissioner?

I can't recall too many deals off the top of my head except the real eye opening ones so it might be best to get the whole picture together. I could manually compile the results on Friday when I'm back home if that would help.


Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline?
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2018, 03:06:15 PM »

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I voted Hawks, Mavericks, Timberwolves, Trailblazers, and my Magic.

The Hawks getting 5 firsts to build around was really nice. The Mavericks because of what Saltlover posted above. The Timberwolves make more sense now and I even think Batum will be better as the 4th option there than he was as the second option in Charlotte. The Trailblazers got off one of the worst contracts in the NBA and brought in a starting SF so they did good.

And I voted for myself because I did everything I wanted to and established a path forward for the Magic and set them up for a big year in 2019/2020.

I see Milwaukee is leading in votes but I'm skeptical. I know that Giannis/Kawhi is a sexy combination but Kawhi is injured and we've never seen him away from Pop. They also have no starting caliber PG or big man. That team has 4th seed for the next 5 years written all over it to me.

I also see Philly with a lot of votes. My first reaction to Philly was positive because I think Avery Bradley is a no brainer for them and they should outbid everyone else for him this summer. But that's when I remembered that Bradley could be had this summer without giving up a first rounder.

Those are my thoughts.

Completely agreed on Atlanta and their accumulation of draft picks.  That's how you rebuild.

Re: Milwaukee, I agree with your take.  I voted for them because whenever you can parlay a few pieces into one superstar under the age of 27, you do it.  I don't think they'll win the East this season with their current roster, but you acquire superstars like Kawhi for prices like that whenever you can.  My enthusiasm for them wasn't over the top, but I think they have improved themselves enough to crack my top 5.

Re: Philadelphia, that assessment is very accurate.  We had hopes of securing one of PG13, Kawhi, or Lebron in another deal down the road, in which case we wanted to get Avery's bird rights for.  Hopefully having Avery now makes him more likely to resign here than if we were a random city, but yes, we probably could have just signed him next offseason, so I don't see the deal as any kind of homerun.  I'm mildly pleased at the ROS upgrade of Bradley + Boban over TJM + Amir.  Our first round pick was expendable to get that upgrade -- without it we still have more picks in this upcoming draft than open roster spots (likely lottery LAL pick, plus four 2nd round picks).  I'm particularly happy about acquiring Boban as he has teased that he can produce when he gets minutes and his presence allows us to comfortably rest Embiid as much as necessary.  It's also the perfect opportunity for Boban to develop his game with semi-regular starting appearances in his future.

Side note:  I had met what OKC asked for in a PG13 offer (and was willing to go even further), but then the GM disappeared and never responded to a few messages.
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Guards:  A Bradley / Covington / Redick / Fultz / Bayless / Luwawu / Korkmaz
Forwards:  Saric / Simmons (point forward) / Trev Booker / J Anderson
Center:  Embiid / THE BOBAN / R Holmes

Picks: 2018 LAL 1st (if 1, 6-30), 2019 SAC 1st (if LAL 2-5), 2018 2nds from BKN, NYK, HOU, and 2019 SAC 2n

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline?
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2018, 03:33:32 PM »

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I'm gonna disagree on Atlanta with you guys. It was awesome of them to pick up two firsts for Schroeder, but realistically, all of their picks will convey when those teams are middle-of-the-pack teams.

In other words, they will be getting 1st round picks that are 15-20. That's helpful, but not really game-changing.

They don't really have any starting caliber players on their team, but their fan attendance is at an all-time low already.

Even if they get a good draft pick this year and next, they would be putting a lot of pressure on their young players to produce, which might lead to poor development.

I mean, the 5 first round picks seems pretty solid, but did they really improve their situation?

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2018, 03:38:53 PM »

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My votes went to Atlanta, Milwaukee, Dallas, New Orleans, and Minnesota.

(Were we allowed to vote for "ourselves" in this poll. If so, then ugh, I didn't  :P)

Anyways, in regards to my Knicks, we thought we had something cooking with the Hornets in a deal that would bring back Batum and Kemba and would ship out a future first rounder as well as Noah, Ntilikina and a few others (in a larger, wild trade), but ultimately it didn't work out and the Hornets decided to go a different path (making the trade with the Wolves).

So we traded with the Hawks to get rid of "cancer" Noah and take back Shroder, but it seems that's the move that got a ton of mixed reactions for the Knicks side. I guess it really comes down to how you really feel about Shroder. He's not elite, and can be inconsistent, but I also know he's 24 with a ton of room to grow and is very gritty. We've seen Shroder do well against the C's in the past as well (in real life), if that's a sign. And yeah, all these moves were made before Porzingis suffered the torn ACL, so welp...

In terms of who I voted for:

MIL = Got back Leonard to pair with Giannis. Obviously health may be a concern on Kawhi's side, but if he comes back healthy, that's a home run for the Bucks going forward

ATL = Beautiful job of a rebuild (as has been stated above)

DAL = Similar to ATL, beautiful job of a rebuild and selling high with certain pieces

NOP = I'll admit, I was hesitant at first, but ultimately acquiring all that they did in the Cousins deal with the injury he suffered is fantastic, and certainly they can be a playoff team with the team they have (on paper). It should be enough to entice AD to stay a Pelican for life so long as they make playoffs consistently.

MIN = Thought they improved and as a Top-4 team in the West currently, that's a plus for them. Sure, you can argue that maybe they "rushed" the win-now movement a bit with the Warriors and Rockets still out there, but they are also a young team with a great coach, so I commend them for taking a chance, and they did acquire another (protected) first rounder in all that.

2018 Mock Trade Deadline (New York Knicks)

Roster: Porzingis, Kanter, Hardaway Jr, Julius Randle, Schroder, Beasley, Alex Abrines, Jarrett Jack, Frank Ntilikina, Lance Thomas, Kyle Singler, Josh Huestis, Ron Baker, Trey Burke, Luke Kornet, Isaiah Hicks

Future Draft Picks: https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Knick

Re: Poll: Who did best at the 2018 MOCK Trade Deadline?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2018, 05:35:29 PM »

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I'm gonna disagree on Atlanta with you guys. It was awesome of them to pick up two firsts for Schroeder, but realistically, all of their picks will convey when those teams are middle-of-the-pack teams.

In other words, they will be getting 1st round picks that are 15-20. That's helpful, but not really game-changing.

They don't really have any starting caliber players on their team, but their fan attendance is at an all-time low already.

Even if they get a good draft pick this year and next, they would be putting a lot of pressure on their young players to produce, which might lead to poor development.

I mean, the 5 first round picks seems pretty solid, but did they really improve their situation?

I'm finishing up my explanation for the comments thread that might address some of yours here but this brings up the question of how we're grading success. I looked at it as a three part thing.

What should the team's goal have been?

How much closer are they to that goal? ** most important to me.

How realistic were the moves?

For Atlanta the goal can only be to get worse this year and increase future value. It certainly was not to get better players in this environment. Fan attendance is a long term issue that won't be solved in one season, and our team is likely the worst this year and next no matter how those assets were used. Our best bet is to draft and be in position to capitalize on trades.

Also that determination on the picks is subjective. Most of those picks are too far into the future to have any certainty about what they'll look like when they convey. We had no idea the Brooklyn picks would be good at the time. We still don't know what the Celtics owed Memphis pick really looks like.

I'm not confident I got enough done in Atlanta and fell short of my own goals but I think if you can clearly define what Atlanta's goal should be in the short and long term that this was a positive week.

I haven't voted yet because I want to scrub through all the trades, so if we're all working on a different definition of success then I can adjust.