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Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2018, 04:42:47 PM »

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It's easy to pick on Morris but the whole team has been more or less horrendous, especially on O since the beginning of the year. The C's are the 29th ranked offense in the league since Jan. 1. Right now they are simply atrocious on offense. Their D has been slipping noticeably as well.

Agreed that MM stinks out the joint right now, but he is far from alone..

Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2018, 11:24:48 PM »

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It's easy to pick on Morris but the whole team has been more or less horrendous, especially on O since the beginning of the year. The C's are the 29th ranked offense in the league since Jan. 1. Right now they are simply atrocious on offense. Their D has been slipping noticeably as well.

Agreed that MM stinks out the joint right now, but he is far from alone..

If you look at his lifetime stats, this is pretty much who he is.

Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2018, 03:47:23 AM »

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Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2018, 04:22:01 AM »

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Eye test says he usually plays with bench and nobody can score so he does what he can. Takes bad shots sometimes, makes bad shots sometimes. Turns ball over a little too much, looks a little uncomfortable in Brads system still. Defense can be very good when he wants it to be, which is only when hes playing with starters.

I like that hes capable of hitting tough/big shots and creating his own if he has to. I expect to see him as the primary LeBron defender and can defend him well enough. If we can avoid helping on him often and stay home of the rest of the team, Cavs are very beatable.

I want to see him and Monroe gel. That could be a nice duo. Rozier, Smart, and Theis around them? Lets see what happens with that I guess.
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Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2018, 05:14:03 AM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2018, 09:28:07 AM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

He's one of the big reasons for the 20 pt holes.

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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2018, 09:33:10 AM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

He's one of the big reasons for the 20 pt holes.

He leads the bench in scoring, FTAs and rebounding, and is more efficient than the majority of the bench. Hes an odd scapegoat to pick.


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Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2018, 10:16:13 AM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

He's one of the big reasons for the 20 pt holes.

He leads the bench in scoring, FTAs and rebounding, and is more efficient than the majority of the bench. Hes an odd scapegoat to pick.

We won four games in a row when he was out.

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« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2018, 10:19:01 AM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

He's one of the big reasons for the 20 pt holes.

He leads the bench in scoring, FTAs and rebounding, and is more efficient than the majority of the bench. Hes an odd scapegoat to pick.

We won four games in a row when he was out.

Bad trade

His brother is a better player

Marcus is a tweener in bad way. Cant rebound, block shots.  Doesnt stop shooting with a hand in his face. Lazy defender

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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2018, 10:53:42 AM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

He's one of the big reasons for the 20 pt holes.

He leads the bench in scoring, FTAs and rebounding, and is more efficient than the majority of the bench. Hes an odd scapegoat to pick.
Yet Rozier, Smart, and Theis all have better on/off offensive rating than Morris. I don't agree with the argument that he's hurt by playing with the bench unit, because they all perform better in lineups without him.

He's the focal point of the second unit and the second unit plays better when someone else is the focal point.

As an aside, does anyone know how to find lineup data of lineups with Morris and without Morris? I.E if you replace Morris with someone else does the lineup get better or worse?
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Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2018, 12:49:57 PM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

He's one of the big reasons for the 20 pt holes.

He leads the bench in scoring, FTAs and rebounding, and is more efficient than the majority of the bench. Hes an odd scapegoat to pick.

We won four games in a row when he was out.

Bad trade

His brother is a better player

Marcus is a tweener in bad way. Cant rebound, block shots.  Doesnt stop shooting with a hand in his face. Lazy defender

Bingo. TP

Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2018, 01:21:56 PM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

He's one of the big reasons for the 20 pt holes.

He leads the bench in scoring, FTAs and rebounding, and is more efficient than the majority of the bench. Hes an odd scapegoat to pick.

He also plays a LOT more minutes than almost everyone not named Smart!!

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Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2018, 01:24:25 PM »

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Stat isn't totally fair because he plays with bench that tends to give up 20 pt + holes into half time

He's one of the big reasons for the 20 pt holes.

He leads the bench in scoring, FTAs and rebounding, and is more efficient than the majority of the bench. Hes an odd scapegoat to pick.

He also plays a LOT more minutes than almost everyone not named Smart!!

Smitty77

Hes essentially tied with Rozier in minutes.

Which makes sense. The best players get the most minutes.


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Re: Marcus Morris is 336th in the league in real plus and minus
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2018, 01:30:56 PM »

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Morris is the quintessential slightly-below-replacement-level 7th/8th man, which is how he's always performed, and how he's playing this year.

I'm not sure why his performance merits much discussion.

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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2018, 07:51:31 PM »

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Morris is the quintessential slightly-below-replacement-level 7th/8th man, which is how he's always performed, and how he's playing this year.

I'm not sure why his performance merits much discussion.

Because the team plays better without him.