CAVSMAGEDDON!!

[Moranis]

Cavs are back. Wonder how long before James quits on this group

But they won 2 games against good teams in a row! Surely that means they can challenge the warriors? If your team is struggling and you get two players from the lakers and one from the jazz while sending away a two time all star and future hall of famer your team always becomes dominant?

The fact that DWade is a future hall of famer and IT made 2 all star games doesnt change the fact that their presence was hurting the Cavs.

The problem is that people way overreacted to them picking up 4 solid bench players.

I don't really disagree with this. Their ceiling was probably higher with those two guys if lue was a good coach. The main point, which we agree on, is they got 4 role players and everyone acted like they got prone Tracey McGrady and Shaq. They have issues and even when love is back their third best player is still George hill. That's not usually a recipe for a championship. I really really really hope Hayward is eating kale 24 hours a day and comes back this year because we would absolutely smoke them.

Wade is done.  You keep calling him a HOFer and acting like he is still that player and it is just silly.  It does a great disservice to your argument.

Thomas is hurt.  Now maybe Thomas gets healthy by the time the playoffs start, but maybe he doesn't.  The Thomas that was on the floor in Cleveland, no coach in the world could make good.  He was just an awful shell of himself. 

Obviously the Cavs have a good top 2, and then tail off.  And whether George Hill, Rodney Hood, or Jordan Clarkson is their 3rd best player, that player is weak as many title teams go, but people on this board seem to think Boston with Jaylen Brown as its 3rd best player are a real title threat as well, so I'm confused by the sentiment that the Cavs can't win, but Boston can, especially when the Cavs have the best player in the world (or at least top 2). 

[celticsclay]

Cavs are back. Wonder how long before James quits on this group

But they won 2 games against good teams in a row! Surely that means they can challenge the warriors? If your team is struggling and you get two players from the lakers and one from the jazz while sending away a two time all star and future hall of famer your team always becomes dominant?

The fact that DWade is a future hall of famer and IT made 2 all star games doesnt change the fact that their presence was hurting the Cavs.

The problem is that people way overreacted to them picking up 4 solid bench players.

I don't really disagree with this. Their ceiling was probably higher with those two guys if lue was a good coach. The main point, which we agree on, is they got 4 role players and everyone acted like they got prone Tracey McGrady and Shaq. They have issues and even when love is back their third best player is still George hill. That's not usually a recipe for a championship. I really really really hope Hayward is eating kale 24 hours a day and comes back this year because we would absolutely smoke them.

Wade is done.  You keep calling him a HOFer and acting like he is still that player and it is just silly.  It does a great disservice to your argument.

Thomas is hurt.  Now maybe Thomas gets healthy by the time the playoffs start, but maybe he doesn't.  The Thomas that was on the floor in Cleveland, no coach in the world could make good.  He was just an awful shell of himself. 

Obviously the Cavs have a good top 2, and then tail off.  And whether George Hill, Rodney Hood, or Jordan Clarkson is their 3rd best player, that player is weak as many title teams go, but people on this board seem to think Boston with Jaylen Brown as its 3rd best player are a real title threat as well, so I'm confused by the sentiment that the Cavs can't win, but Boston can, especially when the Cavs have the best player in the world (or at least top 2).

Before the trade deadline you were arguing that the best chance for the Cavs to have a good run was for IT to regain his all-star form and that he just hadn't been given enough time. You were quite confident that he would get back to all-star level play. I was less optimistic, but if it happened, I agreed with you that it was their best shot. Now their best shot is what? Clarkson, Smith and Hood all get hot from 3 for an extended time?

I also agree with you that Wade is washed up, but I still think he has some ability in the playoffs to create offense in the half court that could be valuable in bursts when the game slows down (this is why is always still a bunch of contenders that want Joe Johnson even though he is beyond washed up at this point).

I am not really sure where you are creating the sentiment that there are tons of Celtics fans that think the team can win with Brown as our third best player. I can see how it would be confusing that you think lots of fans think that (since I don't think any do) Are you talking about in the future if he takes a leap and becomes an all-star player? Otherwise, I think most people think our title hopes depend on Hayward playing and Horford being our third best player (with continued improvement from Tatum and Brown).

[Roy H.]

Cavs are about to go 4-6 in their last ten games.

Clearly, it’s Isaiah’s fault. Haha.

[SparzWizard]

Dang, these aren't the same Cavs who blew out the Celtics on PP34 night.

[Big333223]

As much as I hate to see the Lakers win, this blow out of the Cavs is pretty nice.

[tarheelsxxiii]

Cavs are about to go 4-6 in their last ten games.

Clearly, it’s Isaiah’s fault. Haha.

Woops!

[celticsclay]

This must have been sweet for IT. Cleveland is a joke right now

[nickagneta]

Cleveland was in LA I think over a day before the Clippers game. They were in LA almost 3 days before the Lakers game. They got the easy LA/LA back to back and couldn't win either game versus inferior teams. Its about time the pundits who were putting Cleveland in GSW and Houston's level finally come forward and say they were dead wrong. Cleveland traded away a recuperating multi-time all-star for role players. Dumb move.

[celticsclay]

Cleveland was in LA I think over a day before the Clippers game. They were in LA almost 3 days before the Lakers game. They got the easy LA/LA back to back and couldn't win either game versus inferior teams. Its about time the pundits who were putting Cleveland in GSW and Houston's level finally come forward and say they were dead wrong. Cleveland traded away a recuperating multi-time all-star for role players. Dumb move.

They should cut Lebron so he could still sign with a contender

[jambr380]

Cleveland was in LA I think over a day before the Clippers game. They were in LA almost 3 days before the Lakers game. They got the easy LA/LA back to back and couldn't win either game versus inferior teams. Its about time the pundits who were putting Cleveland in GSW and Houston's level finally come forward and say they were dead wrong. Cleveland traded away a recuperating multi-time all-star for role players. Dumb move.

They also added substantial future salary and lost a 1st. Nance jr looks like a nice pick-up, though.  I get that Love and Thompson are out, but their D is simply non-existent.

Happy for IT for some redemption - he is starting look like he will get a decent contract once again.

[Moranis]

Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

[Roy H.]

Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.

[Moranis]

Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.

Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player. 

[celticinorlando]

Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.

Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player.

Not really. I have a pretty good gauge on who they are

[Moranis]

Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.

Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player.

Not really. I have a pretty good gauge on who they are

I honestly don't have any idea if Love is still the 26/12 1st option player he was in Minnesota or an 18/9 player he has been as the 3rd option in Cleveland.  If he is the former, then the Cavs are going to be very good and should be in the finals (though will lose to the Warriors).  If he is the latter, then they will struggle immensely in the East and very well could lose to Toronto or Boston.