Would Bron Bron, Cavs and Lakers do this trade?

[csfansince60s]

Lebron is going to end up in Houston, Miami or somehow in GS

I can see Hou, maybe Miami not Dubs. Too much of a hit to his legacy to go there. Empty titles.

REALLY don’t want to see him in Philly.

[Birdman]

If I was Cleveland I would do that trade in a second..just show LeBron that they tired of his crying all the time..but be great for cleveland..of course LeBron would say no

[Moranis]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

[nickagneta]

Lebron would never wsive his no-trade clause this year. Just reference the article Moranis posted. Also, I don't see Gilbert ever having the balls to try to trade the hometown God away from Cleveland unless he is getting a Boston-Brooklyn package of almost guaranteed high lotto picks. Then I am not sure he would have the balls to go to Lebron and ask him to waive the clause.

This trade has zero chance of ever happening.

[csfansince60s]

Lebron would never wsive his no-trade clause this year. Just reference the article Moranis posted. Also, I don't see Gilbert ever having the balls to try to trade the hometown God away from Cleveland unless he is getting a Boston-Brooklyn package of almost guaranteed high lotto picks. Then I am not sure he would have the balls to go to Lebron and ask him to waive the clause.

This trade has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree, especially in light of Moranis’ article you referenced.

Maybe if Griffin were still there, the possibility may have gone up to 5%.

I’m looking on the positive side. Lakers don’t get better, but they are playing well now, and the article hints they may not be dumping contracts before the deadline which hurts our chances to get the pick.

The other positive is that Bron Bron continues to get embarrassed and keeps eating humble pie.

[celticsclay]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

[SHAQATTACK]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

Bron and Gilbert obvious hate .....really do,hate each other ......two business men who refuse to sit down and solve the Cavs problems .    Both are hard headed and must depise each other.   But , Lebron does not own the team .  He plays for Gilbert .....Glibert writes his checks .  Bron has got so he does not repect authority at all IMO .....he needs to come down off his throne , he needs a dose of reality in his life .  You can't get everything your way all the time..

Best thing Gilbert can do is go public and try and trade Flop City .  Of course to spite Gilbert Lebron will wave his no trade clause.  But at least , Gilbert is showing Bron won't sign .....he gives me no other choice but to try and trade him to get a little something....when Bron refuses the trade ....it show s he will walk off the Cavs once again and leave them totally in the learch .....with ZERO assets in return.   

Dumb Gilbert should have never given him a no tread clause .  For a bitter guy like Flopper ,  you knew it would backfire down the road . He d want to leave once again when the team lost its edge.   

Lebron wants to burn Cavs down to the ground befor he leaves IMO.

[Moranis]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

Lebron doesn't know what he is going to do so he can't tell anyone since he just doesn't know.  I say this a lot on here and you don't seem to believe it, but Lebron legitimately does not know what he is going to do until after the season.  It has been that way every single time he has hit the summer as a free agent.  Thus, he can't tell the Cavs he is staying or he is going because he actually hasn't made that decision.  Once the season ends, he will weigh his options, meet with people, etc. and make a determination on what he is going to do.  He will then flip flop a few times before finally reaching that final decision.  That has been his m.o. his entire career.  It isn't going to change now.

[footey]

TP 60's for thinking outside the box. I actually think the concept makes sense.  I could see Lebron agreeing to it because it takes him off the hook when he leaves Cleveland at the end of the year; puts the onus on the team.  I think Cleveland will want more, though, including future 1st round pick. Plus having Nance, Randle and Thompson on the same team seems a bit redundant position-wise.  But I think there is the basis of making something interesting work.

Good job.

[nickagneta]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

Lebron doesn't know what he is going to do so he can't tell anyone since he just doesn't know.  I say this a lot on here and you don't seem to believe it, but Lebron legitimately does not know what he is going to do until after the season.  It has been that way every single time he has hit the summer as a free agent.  Thus, he can't tell the Cavs he is staying or he is going because he actually hasn't made that decision.  Once the season ends, he will weigh his options, meet with people, etc. and make a determination on what he is going to do.  He will then flip flop a few times before finally reaching that final decision.  That has been his m.o. his entire career.  It isn't going to change now.

I agree but with a caveat. Lebron purposely sets it up that he doesn't know what he is going to do each summer so he can put himself in the best place possible for him after he sees what all the scenarios presented to him are. Heck, there may be scenarios that haven't even been rumored about yet that might be presented to him. He keeps all options open. Sounds like a great business move to me.

[celticsclay]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

Lebron doesn't know what he is going to do so he can't tell anyone since he just doesn't know.  I say this a lot on here and you don't seem to believe it, but Lebron legitimately does not know what he is going to do until after the season.  It has been that way every single time he has hit the summer as a free agent.  Thus, he can't tell the Cavs he is staying or he is going because he actually hasn't made that decision.  Once the season ends, he will weigh his options, meet with people, etc. and make a determination on what he is going to do.  He will then flip flop a few times before finally reaching that final decision.  That has been his m.o. his entire career.  It isn't going to change now.

I agree but with a caveat. Lebron purposely sets it up that he doesn't know what he is going to do each summer so he can put himself in the best place possible for him after he sees what all the scenarios presented to him are. Heck, there may be scenarios that haven't even been rumored about yet that might be presented to him. He keeps all options open. Sounds like a great business move to me.

If this is true, he is screwing himself this year. If Lebron would just tell Gilbert he will opt in next year I am pretty sure Gilbert would be a lot more likely to trade off the Brooklyn pick and go in for the next two years of title contention. However, since he wont, gilbert once, and he is making one of his own available options for the summer less attractive in the process.

[nickagneta]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

Lebron doesn't know what he is going to do so he can't tell anyone since he just doesn't know.  I say this a lot on here and you don't seem to believe it, but Lebron legitimately does not know what he is going to do until after the season.  It has been that way every single time he has hit the summer as a free agent.  Thus, he can't tell the Cavs he is staying or he is going because he actually hasn't made that decision.  Once the season ends, he will weigh his options, meet with people, etc. and make a determination on what he is going to do.  He will then flip flop a few times before finally reaching that final decision.  That has been his m.o. his entire career.  It isn't going to change now.

I agree but with a caveat. Lebron purposely sets it up that he doesn't know what he is going to do each summer so he can put himself in the best place possible for him after he sees what all the scenarios presented to him are. Heck, there may be scenarios that haven't even been rumored about yet that might be presented to him. He keeps all options open. Sounds like a great business move to me.

If this is true, he is screwing himself this year. If Lebron would just tell Gilbert he will opt in next year I am pretty sure Gilbert would be a lot more likely to trade off the Brooklyn pick and go in for the next two years of title contention. However, since he wont, gilbert once, and he is making one of his own available options for the summer less attractive in the process.

This assumes that trading that pick guarantees making Cleveland a sure fire lock to make the Finals the next two years. I wouldn't assume that and its quite possible Lebron has determined it wouldn't. So, its quite possible and maybe quite probable, he didn't screw himself this year. This Cleveland team looks more than one really good player away from contending.

[celticsclay]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

Lebron doesn't know what he is going to do so he can't tell anyone since he just doesn't know.  I say this a lot on here and you don't seem to believe it, but Lebron legitimately does not know what he is going to do until after the season.  It has been that way every single time he has hit the summer as a free agent.  Thus, he can't tell the Cavs he is staying or he is going because he actually hasn't made that decision.  Once the season ends, he will weigh his options, meet with people, etc. and make a determination on what he is going to do.  He will then flip flop a few times before finally reaching that final decision.  That has been his m.o. his entire career.  It isn't going to change now.

I agree but with a caveat. Lebron purposely sets it up that he doesn't know what he is going to do each summer so he can put himself in the best place possible for him after he sees what all the scenarios presented to him are. Heck, there may be scenarios that haven't even been rumored about yet that might be presented to him. He keeps all options open. Sounds like a great business move to me.

If this is true, he is screwing himself this year. If Lebron would just tell Gilbert he will opt in next year I am pretty sure Gilbert would be a lot more likely to trade off the Brooklyn pick and go in for the next two years of title contention. However, since he wont, gilbert once, and he is making one of his own available options for the summer less attractive in the process.

This assumes that trading that pick guarantees making Cleveland a sure fire lock to make the Finals the next two years. I wouldn't assume that and its quite possible Lebron has determined it wouldn't. So, its quite possible and maybe quite probable, he didn't screw himself this year. This Cleveland team looks more than one really good player away from contending.

Say they got Kemba and Howard and Gilbert didn't care about taking on the salary (and getting rid of IT who is a horrible fit). Then they also make a trade for Bradley. If they were willing to take on salary and move the Brooklyn pick I definitely think that is possible.

Walker, Bradley, Lebron, Love, Howard bench of Wade, Green, Smith... Isn't that a really scary team with a much better defense...

[nickagneta]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

Lebron doesn't know what he is going to do so he can't tell anyone since he just doesn't know.  I say this a lot on here and you don't seem to believe it, but Lebron legitimately does not know what he is going to do until after the season.  It has been that way every single time he has hit the summer as a free agent.  Thus, he can't tell the Cavs he is staying or he is going because he actually hasn't made that decision.  Once the season ends, he will weigh his options, meet with people, etc. and make a determination on what he is going to do.  He will then flip flop a few times before finally reaching that final decision.  That has been his m.o. his entire career.  It isn't going to change now.

I agree but with a caveat. Lebron purposely sets it up that he doesn't know what he is going to do each summer so he can put himself in the best place possible for him after he sees what all the scenarios presented to him are. Heck, there may be scenarios that haven't even been rumored about yet that might be presented to him. He keeps all options open. Sounds like a great business move to me.

If this is true, he is screwing himself this year. If Lebron would just tell Gilbert he will opt in next year I am pretty sure Gilbert would be a lot more likely to trade off the Brooklyn pick and go in for the next two years of title contention. However, since he wont, gilbert once, and he is making one of his own available options for the summer less attractive in the process.

This assumes that trading that pick guarantees making Cleveland a sure fire lock to make the Finals the next two years. I wouldn't assume that and its quite possible Lebron has determined it wouldn't. So, its quite possible and maybe quite probable, he didn't screw himself this year. This Cleveland team looks more than one really good player away from contending.

Say they got Kemba and Howard and Gilbert didn't care about taking on the salary (and getting rid of IT who is a horrible fit). Then they also make a trade for Bradley. If they were willing to take on salary and move the Brooklyn pick I definitely think that is possible.

Walker, Bradley, Lebron, Love, Howard bench of Wade, Green, Smith... Isn't that a really scary team with a much better defense...

That is assuming a lot, especially what that pick is worth. Remember when Danny couldn't get a lot when trying to use the Brooklyn pick even though Brooklyn was a bottom 3 and worse team in the league? That Brooklyn pick could land between 8 and 10. I am not sure other GMs value a pick in that range as being that good. I wouldn't commit to another year in Cleveland based on Cleveland making a bunch of trades to solidify the roster and make it better than what could be coming out of the west.

 I just don't see how Lebron screwed himself over this year by not opting to commit to the Cavs. That team is old, slow, horrible defensively, divided and on a serious decline. Its quite possible Lebron saw this before the season and so decided not to commit. Smart move, IMHO.

[celticsclay]

https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/breaking-news-sports/lebron-james-will-not-waive-no-trade-clause-source-confirms

Do you think part of this is that he just hates Gilbert and wants to stick it to him every chance he gets? It would make Gilbert's life easier is he either

1) Knew James was staying and he would commit to it
2) Knew James was leaving and would let him get something instead of nothing

I think the rumors that Gilbert wants to sell the team make Lebron even more likely to leave and crush the value of the franchise. It really seems like he hates that guy and there are these stories planted to the media about how his inner circle never forgave gilbert for the comic sans letter. Now that Gilbert is not offering up the Brooklyn pick easily, he is probably extra mad.

Lebron doesn't know what he is going to do so he can't tell anyone since he just doesn't know.  I say this a lot on here and you don't seem to believe it, but Lebron legitimately does not know what he is going to do until after the season.  It has been that way every single time he has hit the summer as a free agent.  Thus, he can't tell the Cavs he is staying or he is going because he actually hasn't made that decision.  Once the season ends, he will weigh his options, meet with people, etc. and make a determination on what he is going to do.  He will then flip flop a few times before finally reaching that final decision.  That has been his m.o. his entire career.  It isn't going to change now.

I agree but with a caveat. Lebron purposely sets it up that he doesn't know what he is going to do each summer so he can put himself in the best place possible for him after he sees what all the scenarios presented to him are. Heck, there may be scenarios that haven't even been rumored about yet that might be presented to him. He keeps all options open. Sounds like a great business move to me.

If this is true, he is screwing himself this year. If Lebron would just tell Gilbert he will opt in next year I am pretty sure Gilbert would be a lot more likely to trade off the Brooklyn pick and go in for the next two years of title contention. However, since he wont, gilbert once, and he is making one of his own available options for the summer less attractive in the process.

This assumes that trading that pick guarantees making Cleveland a sure fire lock to make the Finals the next two years. I wouldn't assume that and its quite possible Lebron has determined it wouldn't. So, its quite possible and maybe quite probable, he didn't screw himself this year. This Cleveland team looks more than one really good player away from contending.

Say they got Kemba and Howard and Gilbert didn't care about taking on the salary (and getting rid of IT who is a horrible fit). Then they also make a trade for Bradley. If they were willing to take on salary and move the Brooklyn pick I definitely think that is possible.

Walker, Bradley, Lebron, Love, Howard bench of Wade, Green, Smith... Isn't that a really scary team with a much better defense...

That is assuming a lot, especially what that pick is worth. Remember when Danny couldn't get a lot when trying to use the Brooklyn pick even though Brooklyn was a bottom 3 and worse team in the league? That Brooklyn pick could land between 8 and 10. I am not sure other GMs value a pick in that range as being that good. I wouldn't commit to another year in Cleveland based on Cleveland making a bunch of trades to solidify the roster and make it better than what could be coming out of the west.

 I just don't see how Lebron screwed himself over this year by not opting to commit to the Cavs. That team is old, slow, horrible defensively, divided and on a serious decline. Its quite possible Lebron saw this before the season and so decided not to commit. Smart move, IMHO.

Do you think Charlotte would not be interested in Brooklyn draft pick, IT, Thompson and Shumpert for Walker and Howard? That seems like a fair deal (plus whatever it takes to make salaries work)

Then what does it take to get Bradley as an expiring? Osman?