Windhorst: Smart could struggle to field offers above MLE

[PhoSita]

I see the name "Windhorst" and my first thought is always:

How does the viewpoint articulated in this article benefit LeBron?

[Eddie20]

Josh Richardson's contract (4 yrs - 42M) could set the precedent. He signed his contract at 23 (Smart will be 24 this summer) and coming off a season where he averaged 10.2 ppg, 3.2 rpg, and 2.6 apg on shooting splits of 39/78/33, in 30.5 mpg. For comparison, Smart is averaging 10.1 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 4.7 apg on shooting splits of 36/73/30 in 30.3 mpg.

[trickybilly]

Windhorst could struggle to find his fly.

lol

[trickybilly]

Good article showing the realities of the market.  Man, it's crazy how those contracts from a couple years ago look now.  Nurkic backup will make more than him.

Given how he didn't really make a jump on offense thus far and his hand issue (which IMO has looked worse when he came out and spoke on it and didn't show much of any acknowledgement about self harm behavior) I don't think he will get more than 10 mill a year in an offer, given the market.

Yeah, that was pretty embarrassing, so obvious he was lying, albeit for a good reason (getting paid).

I'd be curious if it actually had something to do with his agent calling him and telling him that he is being floated in trade talks. Or maybe his agent was starting to prepare him for not fielding any big offers in summer, and he realized that he is about 5 ppg, and around 30 more made threes away from getting money up in the teens, and he just snapped. I would if I was Smart...

[saltlover]

Josh Richardson's contract (4 yrs - 42M) could set the precedent. He signed his contract at 23 (Smart will be 24 this summer) and coming off a season where he averaged 10.2 ppg, 3.2 rpg, and 2.6 apg on shooting splits of 39/78/33, in 30.5 mpg. For comparison, Smart is averaging 10.1 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 4.7 apg on shooting splits of 36/73/30 in 30.3 mpg.

It could, although remember Richardson’s qualifying offer would be around $1.7 million in 2018, whereas Smart would be $6 million, so Smart has less downside for holding out a season.  Furthermore, that 4 years, $42 million was the most the Heat could offer through CBA rules, and he’d been paid the minimum so far in his career.  So Richardson was choosing between taking the most he could get now or holding out for a little bit more with more downside if he couldn’t get it and less of a financial safety net should he reach that downside.

[KGBirdBias]

I wouldn't trade Smart just yet...maybe in the offseason. We would need Smart for the Warrriors.

[Big333223]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/2/5/16972634/trouble-nba-max-contracts

Reading this, it's just another reminder how good the Celtics' front office is. They didn't waste any big money on mid-tier players those couple of boom summers. They spent big money on Horford and Hayward who are all stars and otherwise bought low on role players like Gerald Green, Tyler Zeller, Daniel Theis, and Shane Larkin.

Just about perfect.

[feckless]

I think with the emergence of Rozier Smart will be expendable.  You need guys that can score.  Marcus, no matter how much work he puts in, just can't shoot.  I love his energy and defense but he is such a liability on offense he hurts the team.  If he signs for 5-7 a year then the C's will resign him.  If he gets an offer of 9-11 a year he's gone.

Smart is a better offensive player than Rozier.

Why do some people act like shooting is the be-all-end-all to offense?

Rozier is unquestionably a better shooter than Smart, but Smart is a better passer and playmaker, not to mention that he makes better decisions than Rozier.

Plus, just look at the numbers: the offense functions much better with Smart than Rozier. Going into the game yesterday, Smart had a minus-0.9 offensive net rating. That difference is negligible, meaning our offense is virtually just as effective with or without Smart. Rozier, on the other hand, had a minus-6.8 offensive net rating.

Again, Rozier can shoot the ball better than Smart, but it's not exactly like he's Stephen Curry out there. He's not very efficient, and he's not good enough of a shooter where you can just gloss over the other aspects where Smart is superior.

I LOVE Rozier, but Smart is the better player on both ends of the floor. If we can somehow keep Smart for MLE type money (and I highly doubt that will be the case), we would be out of our [dang] minds not to retain him.

Sorry, not looking forward to getting Smart back to stifle offensive momentum. Maybe in some alternate reality Smart is the better player, but putting Rozier in his spot has largely been a wash in terms of results for his team, so I'd rather that I don't have to yell at my TV when Smart unapologetically chucks threes with 20 seconds left on the clock.

I wasn't sure before the last 3 games but there is little question in my mind now that Rozier advances and moves the ball better, the offense is faster with better player movement and better ball movement with Rozier as the playmaker.  As kozlodoev says Smart stifles the offense.  Marcus makes poor decisions too often, forces passes in search of the home run pass and he can't create his own shot, leading to frequent bad shot selection.  Rozier in this role was an unknown but he has been good for the most part running the offense.  Terry has proven for 3 games he can be a successful point guard.  Marcus has proven he can guard bigger guys, take bad shots, make an occasional great play and that he cannot create his own shot.  He has also shown offensively he is slow to learn and  he continues to make bonehead plays on and off the court.

[footey]

I see the name "Windhorst" and my first thought is always:

How does the viewpoint articulated in this article benefit LeBron?

The article diminishes Smart's trade value, which may be his motivation, no?

[Moranis]

I see the name "Windhorst" and my first thought is always:

How does the viewpoint articulated in this article benefit LeBron?

The article diminishes Smart's trade value, which may be his motivation, no?

Does it actually diminish his trade value?  Wouldn't it make him more valuable if the acquiring team knew it wouldn't cost as much to keep him long term?

[KGBirdBias]

The Nuggets exploring a deal for Smart.

[KGBirdBias]

Mudiay for Smart?

Um, no, no, no

[colincb]

The Nuggets exploring a deal for Smart.

Link? And if it's Mudiay, no thanks.

[PhoSita]

It's hard to figure out a way that a trade with Denver makes sense unless they're sending us Will Barton.

I'm assuming they're not interested in trading Barton for Smart.

Mudiay is zero percent interesting.  Would rather play Larkin.

[colincb]

I think with the emergence of Rozier Smart will be expendable.  You need guys that can score.  Marcus, no matter how much work he puts in, just can't shoot.  I love his energy and defense but he is such a liability on offense he hurts the team.  If he signs for 5-7 a year then the C's will resign him.  If he gets an offer of 9-11 a year he's gone.

Smart is a better offensive player than Rozier.

Why do some people act like shooting is the be-all-end-all to offense?

Rozier is unquestionably a better shooter than Smart, but Smart is a better passer and playmaker, not to mention that he makes better decisions than Rozier.

Plus, just look at the numbers: the offense functions much better with Smart than Rozier. Going into the game yesterday, Smart had a minus-0.9 offensive net rating. That difference is negligible, meaning our offense is virtually just as effective with or without Smart. Rozier, on the other hand, had a minus-6.8 offensive net rating.

Again, Rozier can shoot the ball better than Smart, but it's not exactly like he's Stephen Curry out there. He's not very efficient, and he's not good enough of a shooter where you can just gloss over the other aspects where Smart is superior.

I LOVE Rozier, but Smart is the better player on both ends of the floor. If we can somehow keep Smart for MLE type money (and I highly doubt that will be the case), we would be out of our [dang] minds not to retain him.

Sorry, not looking forward to getting Smart back to stifle offensive momentum. Maybe in some alternate reality Smart is the better player, but putting Rozier in his spot has largely been a wash in terms of results for his team, so I'd rather that I don't have to yell at my TV when Smart unapologetically chucks threes with 20 seconds left on the clock.

I wasn't sure before the last 3 games but there is little question in my mind now that Rozier advances and moves the ball better, the offense is faster with better player movement and better ball movement with Rozier as the playmaker.  As kozlodoev says Smart stifles the offense.  Marcus makes poor decisions too often, forces passes in search of the home run pass and he can't create his own shot, leading to frequent bad shot selection.  Rozier in this role was an unknown but he has been good for the most part running the offense.  Terry has proven for 3 games he can be a successful point guard.  Marcus has proven he can guard bigger guys, take bad shots, make an occasional great play and that he cannot create his own shot.  He has also shown offensively he is slow to learn and  he continues to make bonehead plays on and off the court.

Smart makes 5.5 assists per 36 minutes vs Rozier's 3.5
Smart makes 2.9 turnovers per 36 minutes vs Rozier's 0.8
Smart's sssist/turnover ratio per 36 minutes is 1.9 vs Rozier's 2.9

Smart has issues as a playmaker and the idea that he's better on the offensive side of the ball is a big reach.