Bulpett: C's not done

[saltlover]

I think we should offer 2019 Clippers 1st, Yabusele + Future 2nd Rounder for Tyreke Evans.

(Said 2nd rounder in 2020 or 2021)

Seems fair. I honestly doubt MEM caves on a few future second rounders if reports are true that other teams have offered a late 1st for him already.

Ugh, no thanks.  That’s what we call negotiating against oneself.

[Phantom255x]

I think we should offer 2019 Clippers 1st, Yabusele + Future 2nd Rounder for Tyreke Evans.

(Said 2nd rounder in 2020 or 2021)

Seems fair. I honestly doubt MEM caves on a few future second rounders if reports are true that other teams have offered a late 1st for him already.

Ugh, no thanks.  That’s what we call negotiating against oneself.

I think the most common trade people here have posted is 2018 BOS 1st + Yabu.

Honestly idk, there haven't been a ton of rumors about asking prices for Tyreke other than "we want a first", BUT we don't entirely know what other teams are actually offering.

[saltlover]

I think we should offer 2019 Clippers 1st, Yabusele + Future 2nd Rounder for Tyreke Evans.

(Said 2nd rounder in 2020 or 2021)

Seems fair. I honestly doubt MEM caves on a few future second rounders if reports are true that other teams have offered a late 1st for him already.

Ugh, no thanks.  That’s what we call negotiating against oneself.

I think the most common trade people here have posted is 2018 BOS 1st + Yabu.

Honestly idk, there haven't been a ton of rumors about asking prices for Tyreke other than "we want a first", BUT we don't entirely know what other teams are actually offering.

Probably not a first, given that he’s still a Grizzly.

[Phantom255x]

I think we should offer 2019 Clippers 1st, Yabusele + Future 2nd Rounder for Tyreke Evans.

(Said 2nd rounder in 2020 or 2021)

Seems fair. I honestly doubt MEM caves on a few future second rounders if reports are true that other teams have offered a late 1st for him already.

Ugh, no thanks.  That’s what we call negotiating against oneself.

I think the most common trade people here have posted is 2018 BOS 1st + Yabu.

Honestly idk, there haven't been a ton of rumors about asking prices for Tyreke other than "we want a first", BUT we don't entirely know what other teams are actually offering.

Probably not a first, given that he’s still a Grizzly.

Unfortunately our 2nd this year is going OKC, and 2nd next year to MEM I believe.

Would be nice to have 2nd rounders to dangle now.

[keevsnick]

An expiring guy you probably can't resign likely isnt worth a first rounder. Typically teams will make up the difference in value by having the acquiring team dump salary (Like the Mirotic trade), that boosts the value and makes the first worth it. Problem is we have no bad salary to offload, every guy we have is an asset. So if  Ainge doesn't view Evans as worth a first its hard to bridge that gap. If any other team (besides Warriors and Rockets) offers a first, they beat our offer. One downside of being good. Hard to thread the value needle on Evans by offering more than everyone else, but not more than he's worth.

[hodgy03038]

David Griffin on NBA radio (trade deadline special) was asked the question as to which guy (Evans or Williams) might be more likely to go the Celts. He basically said that if Smart was still here that because of the many ball dominant guys we have (Kyrie, Rozier, Smart, Horford) that it may be a better fit if they pick up Bellinelli.

[RJ87]

David Griffin on NBA radio (trade deadline special) was asked the question as to which guy (Evans or Williams) might be more likely to go the Celts. He basically said that if Smart was still here that because of the many ball dominant guys we have (Kyrie, Rozier, Smart, Horford) that it may be a better fit if they pick up Bellinelli.

Makes sense. He'd also likely come at a lower cost.

[JHTruth]

Baynes works straight up for Lou.  Does getting Monroe make Baynes expendable?  Other than against Philly.  I don't think Baynes would play that much.  Yab and Rozier also work but would Ainge trade Rozier?

Naah Monroe doesn't make Baynes expendable.  Monroe is a strict downgrade on defense compared to Baynes.  We got Monroe to add scoring to the 2nd unit.

Tyreke Evans is probably our best bet.  He can give us more scoring punch on the bench and can also handle the ball so that if Kyrie needs a rest, our offense doesn't go entirely in the crapper.

Rofl. You really think Monroe came here to back up a bench player like Baynes. Baynes and Theis are the bench bigs..

[JHTruth]

Baynes works straight up for Lou.  Does getting Monroe make Baynes expendable?  Other than against Philly.  I don't think Baynes would play that much.  Yab and Rozier also work but would Ainge trade Rozier?

Naah Monroe doesn't make Baynes expendable.  Monroe is a strict downgrade on defense compared to Baynes.  We got Monroe to add scoring to the 2nd unit.

Tyreke Evans is probably our best bet.  He can give us more scoring punch on the bench and can also handle the ball so that if Kyrie needs a rest, our offense doesn't go entirely in the crapper.

Not sure what a "strict downgrade" is, sounds kinky. But there are numerous people on here who have referred to multiple metrics which suggest Monroe is actually a better defender than Baynes.

If a metric says Monroe is a better defender than Baynes, thats more an indictment on that metric than anything else.

baynes is a foul machine ans lacks lateral quickness. Monroe will be much better in the PNR

[Ilikesports17]

Baynes works straight up for Lou.  Does getting Monroe make Baynes expendable?  Other than against Philly.  I don't think Baynes would play that much.  Yab and Rozier also work but would Ainge trade Rozier?

Naah Monroe doesn't make Baynes expendable.  Monroe is a strict downgrade on defense compared to Baynes.  We got Monroe to add scoring to the 2nd unit.

Tyreke Evans is probably our best bet.  He can give us more scoring punch on the bench and can also handle the ball so that if Kyrie needs a rest, our offense doesn't go entirely in the crapper.

Rofl. You really think Monroe came here to back up a bench player like Baynes. Baynes and Theis are the bench bigs..

I sure hope we didnt give Monroe a promise to start.

He brings us something our second unit needs. We don't need him with the starters. We got him to bolster the bench.

Now, will he start the occasional game based on matchups? absolutely.

[CelticSooner]

Baynes works straight up for Lou.  Does getting Monroe make Baynes expendable?  Other than against Philly.  I don't think Baynes would play that much.  Yab and Rozier also work but would Ainge trade Rozier?

Naah Monroe doesn't make Baynes expendable.  Monroe is a strict downgrade on defense compared to Baynes.  We got Monroe to add scoring to the 2nd unit.

Tyreke Evans is probably our best bet.  He can give us more scoring punch on the bench and can also handle the ball so that if Kyrie needs a rest, our offense doesn't go entirely in the crapper.

Rofl. You really think Monroe came here to back up a bench player like Baynes. Baynes and Theis are the bench bigs..

I sure hope we didnt give Monroe a promise to start.

He brings us something our second unit needs. We don't need him with the starters. We got him to bolster the bench.

Now, will he start the occasional game based on matchups? absolutely.

This. Playing Baynes off the bench makes no sense. His defensive impact is best utilized with better offensive players around him. Monroe beating up on backups will be a godsend.

[BMark]

What about Trey Lyles for Smart, since Den and Bos are talking.

Lyle's stats per NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/players/trey/lyles/1626168

6 ft 10 inch combo forward, 41%  3 pt %, 50% from the floor.

[RodyTur10]

What about Trey Lyles for Smart, since Den and Bos are talking.

Lyle's stats per NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/players/trey/lyles/1626168

6 ft 10 inch combo forward, 41%  3 pt %, 50% from the floor.

I like Lyles a lot. Denver should too.

[BMark]

What about Trey Lyles for Smart, since Den and Bos are talking.

Lyle's stats per NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/players/trey/lyles/1626168

6 ft 10 inch combo forward, 41%  3 pt %, 50% from the floor.

I like Lyles a lot. Denver should too.

Yeah, Lyles' PER is 18.7 while Smart's is 10

[Androslav]

What about Trey Lyles for Smart, since Den and Bos are talking.

Lyle's stats per NBA.com:

http://www.nba.com/players/trey/lyles/1626168

6 ft 10 inch combo forward, 41%  3 pt %, 50% from the floor.

I like Lyles a lot. Denver should too.

Yeah, Lyles' PER is 18.7 while Smart's is 10

Terrible deal.
Lyles can't play (be on the floor) versus GSW, Cleveland or Houston. He is defenseless, can't keep up with guys on the perimeter nor help in any way close to the rim
Smart can.

Please don't just watch PER values, basketball is much more than that.