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Bulpett: C's not done
« on: February 03, 2018, 11:49:01 AM »

Offline Eddie20

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If you see Danny Ainge walking around town in one of those popular “NOT DONE” shirts, it may have more meaning than just the Patriots’ postseason slogan.

Even with the planned signing of Greg Monroe today, the Celtics are still in business until next Thursday’s NBA trade deadline and beyond.

According to two Western Conference sources, the Celts are still in pursuit of Lou Williams and Tyreke Evans. They have had discussions regarding others, but those two appear to be the main targets as the C’s look to add scoring off the bench.

The key in each of these cases is how much will be required to make a deal. The Celts are said to be willing to part with assets, but Ainge seems to be again holding the line on what he believes is proper value. The strategy has frustrated other clubs and a percentage of the fan base, but it doesn’t appear to be changing.

Memphis has been asking for a first-round pick for Evans, but the Celts haven’t yet been willing to go there. Denver has reportedly offered Emmanuel Mudiay and a second-round pick, and while the C’s could propose something similar, the second -round pick (or picks) they could send would not be very high.

Also, sources say the Celts are being careful with their pursuit of wings. As much as they might be able to gain some level of help at the position, they have told people they do not want to do something that would too greatly impede the progress of Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum, who, they believe, will be even better by the postseason because of the minutes they have been getting all year.

But the Celts are still said to be very active in talks. There is a reason behind the fact the Celts will be giving Monroe $5 million instead of the full $8.4 million disabled player exception.

They cannot use the remaining money to sign another player, but by keeping Monroe at $5 million, the C’s have maintained a measure of flexibility as they look at trades in the next five days. As it stands, with tax and cap considerations taken into account, they will be able to take back some $4 million more than they send out in a move.

From the time the Celtics got the DPE approved for the loss of Gordon Hayward, it was thought it would be best used on a bought-out player rather than one who was still on the free agent market early in the season. That proved to be the case with Monroe, but it’s important to note that this signing does not take the Celts out of the buyout game.

They could still sign such a player to a veteran minimum contract, and though they may have lost the more-money-to-offer edge, most players who sign after reaching a deal to leave their team do wind up getting the minimum. That was the case when Deron Williams and Andrew Bogut joined the Cavaliers last season. And if you want to go back a few years, that’s how the Celts solidified their 2008 title run by adding P.J. Brown and Sam Cassell.

The important factor then, as was the case with Monroe, is that the C’s were a team in contention. That group obviously had better title hopes than this one, but the path to the 2018 Finals from the Eastern Conference has to look good to potential signees.

It’s also important to add, as we did at the time the Celtics were granted the DPE, that there will be no penalty or other ramification for the club if Hayward is able to come back and play this season, other than the fact it would have to clear a roster spot.

It remains to be seen how Brad Stevens will fit Monroe into the Celtics rotation, but, even though he will be looking to test the unrestricted free agent market this summer after he turns 28 in June, he is not necessarily a short-timer here.

The Celts could offer him some $6 million without making a corollary move, and that would seem low for his worth. But it will be interesting to see how the market for big men is this year.

Then again, it’s also possible that one of the reasons the 6-foot-11 Monroe is choosing the C’s is because Stevens always seems to raise the value of the players he coaches.

But even if Monroe winds up staying, the Celtics will still have a number of important decisions to make in the offseason, just as they will this week.

Re: Bulpett: C's not done
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2018, 12:03:26 PM »

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Awesome to know that Danny is looking at those two in particular. That suggests to me that he thinks we can make a legitimate run to the Finals this year, with the added bonus of most likely pushing Lebron to the West if we take him out in the process.

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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2018, 12:12:00 PM »

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If we get Lou and tyreke we're going to the NBA finals.  Quote me on that.

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2018, 12:21:57 PM »

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If we get Lou and tyreke we're going to the NBA finals.  Quote me on that.

I doubt he meant we'd get both. Just that we are pursuing both to try to get one of them.

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2018, 12:28:19 PM »

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I'd rather have Evans, but if Lou were on the Celtics, I think there'd be enough defense around him to account for how catastrophic he is on that end. I'm also fine if the Celtics aren't able to get either.

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2018, 12:33:08 PM »

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Thank you for showing that. TP

I agree with jpotter33 too that Danny must think this team has a chance to make the Finals, if he is willing to make those type of moves. I no longer have that same fear of facing Cleveland in the playoffs. LeBron no longer has that other alpha type player (Irving or prime Wade). LeBron will still be a beast in the playoffs, but he could also be exhausted by the time the Celtics will possibly face him.

If Danny is able to get one of Williams or Evans, to go along with Monroe, then that will be a huge boost to the bench. If the bench is able to maintain leads, then that will probably mean less minutes for the starters, which will only help their playoff run. Ideally, I would like to see the Celtics maintain their push for the #1 seed, while lowering the minutes for the starters before the start of the playoffs.

As for Golden State, I still believe the Celtics match up well with them. Given, the Warriors have a collection of stars that are better than ours, but for some reason the Celtics seem to provide a matchup issue. It seemed to me that both teams took their regular season matchups pretty seriously and each game had a definite playoffs atmosphere to them. Having said that, next year will be very interesting with Hayward coming back and the further development of Brown and Tatum. They should easily be a top 3 favorite to win the title next season.

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2018, 12:34:50 PM »

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Problem with Lou Williams is simply the $7M salary. Hard to match.

And no, trading Morris or Smart in a deal for Lou Williams won't be as big of an upgrade as people believe, especially with Lou Williams likely to have limited minutes if he came here.

My heart wants Lou Williams, but my realistic mind wants Tyreke, though I like Tyreke a lot as well (not saying that to bash him or anything).
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2018, 12:36:50 PM »

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Strongly agree with johnnygreen’s post.  And, if Hayward is able to make a comeback this year (wishful thinking), our bench would extend leads.  Go Danny!

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2018, 12:38:08 PM »

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If we get Lou and tyreke we're going to the NBA finals.  Quote me on that.
We're not going to get both.  It is one or the other. 

Danny smells blood in the water but knows we need more offense.  I think I'd prefer Lou but he'll cost more to get and is a bit harder to salary match.  Anyone have an idea if either play significantly better against the Warriors. 

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2018, 12:43:37 PM »

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Problem with Lou Williams is simply the $7M salary. Hard to match.

And no, trading Morris or Smart in a deal for Lou Williams won't be as big of an upgrade as people believe, especially with Lou Williams likely to have limited minutes if he came here.

My heart wants Lou Williams, but my realistic mind wants Tyreke, though I like Tyreke a lot as well (not saying that to bash him or anything).
Baynes works straight up for Lou.  Does getting Monroe make Baynes expendable?  Other than against Philly.  I don't think Baynes would play that much.  Yab and Rozier also work but would Ainge trade Rozier? 

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2018, 12:50:30 PM »

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Evans and Williams would certainly help our scoring, but I dont think they significantly increase our ceiling this year. With the team we had now it wouldn't surprise me if we lost in the 2nd round to Cleveland (if we got the 2 seed), and it wouldn't surprise me if we made the Finals. If we added one of them that range of outcomes still exists, maybe the relative chances of reaching the finals increases, but its not like Evans and Monroe are helping us beat the warriors. Its unlikely either would be on the floor in crunch time. Hell, Williams would be border line unplayable in large stretches against the Warriors because defensively he is god awful and it's hard to play a switching defense when you have one guy who can be abused. I was fine with Monroe because he costs nothing but money, but I would hesitate to surrender a first for Evans or Williams. It sounds like Ainge agrees.

The fact that he's thinking bout adding these guys suggests to me Hayward is not going to be back this year. If you think he could return and give you minutes in a bench role at least they why surrender assets for a rental who all of a sudden will be way less important when Hayward returns? I know alot of people on this board would quickly surrender a first floor an upgrade, but that's simply not the way Ainge has operated. We will see, my guess is if he could get Evans for like Yabu+2nd rounder he would. But you also have to consider the impact adding and Evans or a Williams has on Tatum, brown and Rozier. Those guys could lose shots, and you don't want to hurt their development.

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2018, 12:50:31 PM »

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Getting Williams gets you instant bench offense to go with Rozier and Smart's defense. Throw in Theis, Morris and/or Baynes/Monroe...that is a lot for other teams to handle

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2018, 01:06:57 PM »

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Problem with Lou Williams is simply the $7M salary. Hard to match.

And no, trading Morris or Smart in a deal for Lou Williams won't be as big of an upgrade as people believe, especially with Lou Williams likely to have limited minutes if he came here.

My heart wants Lou Williams, but my realistic mind wants Tyreke, though I like Tyreke a lot as well (not saying that to bash him or anything).
Baynes works straight up for Lou.  Does getting Monroe make Baynes expendable?  Other than against Philly.  I don't think Baynes would play that much.  Yab and Rozier also work but would Ainge trade Rozier?

No, they aren't trading Baynes and Rozier.

Baynes may be struggling as of late, but he's still been pretty good and could be useful along with Monroe and Horford come playoff time (especially against the likes of Drummond, Whiteside, etc.).
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2018, 01:14:32 PM »

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Problem with Lou Williams is simply the $7M salary. Hard to match.

And no, trading Morris or Smart in a deal for Lou Williams won't be as big of an upgrade as people believe, especially with Lou Williams likely to have limited minutes if he came here.

My heart wants Lou Williams, but my realistic mind wants Tyreke, though I like Tyreke a lot as well (not saying that to bash him or anything).
Baynes works straight up for Lou.  Does getting Monroe make Baynes expendable?  Other than against Philly.  I don't think Baynes would play that much.  Yab and Rozier also work but would Ainge trade Rozier?

Lou makes a little too much to work.  Baynes can bring back a shade under $6.6 million.  Lou makes $7 million.  Rozier and Yabu also doesn’t work.  (If you’re trying it in trade machine, it says it works because we haven’t technically used our DPE on Monroe as of this hour, so trade machine still has it in there and that’s what allows the deal to work.)

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2018, 01:26:08 PM »

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All this talk of C's  signing more good players very unfair to LeFlopper .....

He already needs MORE talent ....


Danny keeps this up he ll have LeFlopCity on the run to LA or Houston and Gilbert having a nervous breakdown.

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