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Goran Dragic named Allstar replacing Kevin Love
« on: February 01, 2018, 04:15:23 PM »

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Miami Heat guard Goran Dragic has been named by NBA Commissioner Adam Silver to replace injured Cleveland Cavaliers forward/center Kevin Love on Team LeBron in the 2018 NBA All-Star Game, to be played Sunday, Feb. 18 at Staples Center in Los Angeles (8 p.m. ET).

Good for him. Highly skilled offensive scoring point guard, who is also very genuine and humble. Always liked him as a player, and felt he was very underrated. His '14-15 year was probably one of his best seasons yet.
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Re: Goran Dragic named Allstar replacing Kevin Love
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2018, 04:46:29 PM »

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It's pretty much a team award as others like Kemba had better stats but good for Dragic, and Miami getting some recognition for their surprising year is worthwhile too.

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2018, 04:59:04 PM »

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I'm pro winners getting in so it was the right move.  At the end of the day I probably won't watch the game again like last year so I don't care that much.
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« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2018, 05:04:40 PM »

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So now PG, Drummond, and Dragic have been named as All-Stars? I guess rosters don’t need to be expanded, after all.

Miami should probably have an All-Star and Dragic was as deserving as anybody so good for him.

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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2018, 06:01:33 PM »

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Such an amazing year for Goran Dragić. I really enjoyed his play.
Big guard that has good feel and is still running with younger guys.
He is having his best basketball year at the age of 31.
He parted from playing for his Slovenian national team with their 1st ever basketball medal in a furious fashion. Winning the Euro gold, with him being the MVP.
Proving himself as the best European player ATM.
Now, in a few weeks, he will log his 1st, and probably his last All star game to cap it all of.
Even though his Heat didn't make the playoffs last season they finished the year with 30-11 span. This year they are at a respectable 29-22. They could host a series and he is clearly their best player. He really has it going.

Even when he loses his wallet it all ends up well.
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2018, 06:06:35 PM »

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Such an amazing year for Goran Dragić. I really enjoyed his play.
Big guard that has good feel and is still running with younger guys.
He is having his best basketball year at the age of 31.
He parted from playing for his Slovenian national team with their 1st ever basketball medal in a furious fashion. Winning the Euro gold, with him being the MVP.
Proving himself as the best European player ATM.
Now, in a few weeks, he will log his 1st, and probably his last All star game to cap it all of.
Even though his Heat didn't make the playoffs last season they finished the year with 30-11 span. This year they are at a respectable 29-22. They could host a series and he is clearly their best player. He really has it going.

Even when he loses his wallet it all ends up well.
http://www.rudinapress.hr/index.php/2016/07/10/nba-kosarkas-goran-dragic-u-murteru-izgubio-pun-novcanik-pronasao-ga-cistac-plaze-i-bez-razmisljanja-ga-vratio/

Yup, I love how Goran Dragic scores, and how he destroys point guards in the pick and roll.

Last year towards the end, he was averaging 61% FG around the rim, and the crazy thing is even after the year ended, headed straight to the FIBA with little to no rest, and just dominated.

TP to ya. Dragic is one of my favorite players to watch, along with Isaiah. Watching Dragic during the 14-15 NBA season was a delight to glance at, and I still browse his offensive PHX highlights. 
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Re: Goran Dragic named Allstar replacing Kevin Love
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2018, 06:51:23 PM »

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Not sure what you guys are talking about... dragic is having a very average year. Should have been Kemba for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id1_select=Goran+Dragic&y1=2018&player_id1=dragigo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2018&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players


I laughed when Jaylen thought he deseeved to be an allstar... but he actually has a better case than Dragic.

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2018, 07:12:50 PM »

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Not sure what you guys are talking about... dragic is having a very average year. Should have been Kemba for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id1_select=Goran+Dragic&y1=2018&player_id1=dragigo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2018&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players


I laughed when Jaylen thought he deseeved to be an allstar... but he actually has a better case than Dragic.

Allstar reserves are chosen by players/coaches... Sure he has better stats, but I think the Hornets have the better roster, and it is hard to justify selecting an Allstar on a team that is in the same stratosphere W/L wise as Lakers, Nets, or Jazz. You can also make the argument for Kristap too, since the Knicks are 23-29, but at the time when he was selected as an Allstar, they were doing pretty well. Plus he's a big, same goes for Drummond. Lamb, Howard, and Batum are surely better than Wellington, Whiteside, Johnson/TJohnson. (Well on paper they should be...)

I think Walker should leave Hornets. He's far too talented to be stuck on a team that is medicore, and trending nowhere.
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Re: Goran Dragic named Allstar replacing Kevin Love
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2018, 07:30:51 PM »

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Not sure what you guys are talking about... dragic is having a very average year. Should have been Kemba for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id1_select=Goran+Dragic&y1=2018&player_id1=dragigo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2018&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players


I laughed when Jaylen thought he deseeved to be an allstar... but he actually has a better case than Dragic.

Yes, because we  all know stats are the only thing that matters.  Being the best player on a winning team means nothing.   ::)

Dragic earned his spot, fair and square.

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« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2018, 07:46:09 PM »

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Well-deserved. He brings more than just numbers.

Re: Goran Dragic named Allstar replacing Kevin Love
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2018, 09:27:27 PM »

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Not sure what you guys are talking about... dragic is having a very average year. Should have been Kemba for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id1_select=Goran+Dragic&y1=2018&player_id1=dragigo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2018&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players


I laughed when Jaylen thought he deseeved to be an allstar... but he actually has a better case than Dragic.

Yes, because we  all know stats are the only thing that matters.  Being the best player on a winning team means nothing.   ::)

Dragic earned his spot, fair and square.

Stats aren't everything, but dragic isn't even a top 100 player and the heat aren't even a good team. They're 4 games out of missing the eastern conference playoffs and have a negative point margin lol. He might actually be the first allstar with a negative BPM. He most definitely has not earned the spot and the Heat aren't a good enough team for people to say it has to be because of a certain player.

You can give the edge to the better win team player if it's close like Horford vs Drummond, but kemba is ranked 18th in VORP and dragic is 135th. It's a joke.
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Re: Goran Dragic named Allstar replacing Kevin Love
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Not sure what you guys are talking about... dragic is having a very average year. Should have been Kemba for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id1_select=Goran+Dragic&y1=2018&player_id1=dragigo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2018&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players


I laughed when Jaylen thought he deseeved to be an allstar... but he actually has a better case than Dragic.

Yes, because we  all know stats are the only thing that matters.  Being the best player on a winning team means nothing.   ::)

Dragic earned his spot, fair and square.

Stats aren't everything, but dragic isn't even a top 100 player and the heat aren't even a good team. They're 4 games out of missing the eastern conference playoffs and have a negative point margin lol. He might actually be the first allstar with a negative BPM. He most definitely has not earned the spot and the Heat aren't a good enough team for people to say it has to be because of a certain player.

You can give the edge to the better win team player if it's close like Horford vs Drummond, but kemba is ranked 18th in VORP and dragic is 135th. It's a joke.

Too bad for you the NBA valued winning over VORP.

Maybe its time to go back to your obsession with Fultz?

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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2018, 10:21:55 PM »

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Not sure what you guys are talking about... dragic is having a very average year. Should have been Kemba for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id1_select=Goran+Dragic&y1=2018&player_id1=dragigo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2018&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players


I laughed when Jaylen thought he deseeved to be an allstar... but he actually has a better case than Dragic.

Yes, because we  all know stats are the only thing that matters.  Being the best player on a winning team means nothing.   ::)

Dragic earned his spot, fair and square.

Stats aren't everything, but dragic isn't even a top 100 player and the heat aren't even a good team. They're 4 games out of missing the eastern conference playoffs and have a negative point margin lol. He might actually be the first allstar with a negative BPM. He most definitely has not earned the spot and the Heat aren't a good enough team for people to say it has to be because of a certain player.

You can give the edge to the better win team player if it's close like Horford vs Drummond, but kemba is ranked 18th in VORP and dragic is 135th. It's a joke.

Too bad for you the NBA valued winning over VORP.

Maybe its time to go back to your obsession with Fultz?

Winning? Man, if there was only a way to know how much a player contributed to a win... oh yeah.. Win shares. He's Ranked #111 in win shares with 2.5. Thats tied for 6th best on his own team. Try again.

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« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2018, 10:28:01 PM »

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Not sure what you guys are talking about... dragic is having a very average year. Should have been Kemba for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id1_select=Goran+Dragic&y1=2018&player_id1=dragigo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2018&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players


I laughed when Jaylen thought he deseeved to be an allstar... but he actually has a better case than Dragic.

Yes, because we  all know stats are the only thing that matters.  Being the best player on a winning team means nothing.   ::)

Dragic earned his spot, fair and square.

Stats aren't everything, but dragic isn't even a top 100 player and the heat aren't even a good team. They're 4 games out of missing the eastern conference playoffs and have a negative point margin lol. He might actually be the first allstar with a negative BPM. He most definitely has not earned the spot and the Heat aren't a good enough team for people to say it has to be because of a certain player.

You can give the edge to the better win team player if it's close like Horford vs Drummond, but kemba is ranked 18th in VORP and dragic is 135th. It's a joke.

What are you talking about? The Heat are 49-33 in their last 82 regular season games.  The fact they are currently 7 games over .500 (this season) is indicative they are in fact a good team.

And I really couldn't care less about VORP, this isn't baseball.

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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2018, 11:09:32 PM »

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Not sure what you guys are talking about... dragic is having a very average year. Should have been Kemba for sure.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Goran+Dragic&player_id1_select=Goran+Dragic&y1=2018&player_id1=dragigo01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2018&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players


I laughed when Jaylen thought he deseeved to be an allstar... but he actually has a better case than Dragic.

Yes, because we  all know stats are the only thing that matters.  Being the best player on a winning team means nothing.   ::)

Dragic earned his spot, fair and square.

Stats aren't everything, but dragic isn't even a top 100 player and the heat aren't even a good team. They're 4 games out of missing the eastern conference playoffs and have a negative point margin lol. He might actually be the first allstar with a negative BPM. He most definitely has not earned the spot and the Heat aren't a good enough team for people to say it has to be because of a certain player.

You can give the edge to the better win team player if it's close like Horford vs Drummond, but kemba is ranked 18th in VORP and dragic is 135th. It's a joke.

What are you talking about? The Heat are 49-33 in their last 82 regular season games.  The fact they are currently 7 games over .500 (this season) is indicative they are in fact a good team.

And I really couldn't care less about VORP, this isn't baseball.

I'm glad you get to pick and choose what you care about. Really makes debating things with you impossible, but I'll give it one more shot.

The heat are now half a game out of being the 7th seed in the eastern conference, and now 2.5 games out from missing it entirely. Also Bringing up any record from last year is a red herring because it's not the same team, same competition or same circumstances.

The heat are one of two teams (bucks) over 500 that have a negative net point differential. The hornets are the only team under 500 with a positive net point differential. This means that the heat won a few coin flips and the hornets lost a few coin flips. They will eventually regress to a similar record by season end barring trades or injuries. And no, if the coin flips were simply dragic better than Kemba, it would show up in the winshares.

Kemba has 3 more win shares than Dragic on a team with 7 less wins. He is by far the better player in just about every statistical category (see link above), and in terms of winning, he has also proven that he is more conducive to winning due to the win shares, I.e. Even if the heat are better than the hornets, it's not because of dragic vs Kemba... it's in spite of it. If you swapped them, the heat would be better and the hornets would be worse.

With this post and previous posts, I have just placed a lot of facts in your lap that should lead you to understand that dragic is an average player on an average team (slightly above average at best), and that Kemba is a star on an average team (slightly below average at worst). Neither teams are good (contenders) or bad (well, the hawks). You can choose what you'd like to do with the facts... Something about a horse and water...

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