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Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #30 on: January 30, 2018, 03:59:16 PM »

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-intelligence/russian-spy-chief-visited-united-states-russian-embassy-idUSKBN1FJ2PF?il=0

The head of Russia's Intelligence Agency, who is under sanctions and not permitted in the US, was in the United States last week briefing Trump's administration.  The entire country is going to break apart while the right wing cheers it on.  There are reports that Trump wants to imprison Mueller now right after meeting with this guy

Is he actually forbidden from being in the US? Because that's not in the article and seems like it'd be a big omission.

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But I'm guessing it's fine he was nice enough to stop by DC to brief Trump and co. After all, technically speaking he may not have been technically forbidden to be in the country, you know. I hope some poor sod didn't sell him a sandwich though, because that's definitely not kosher (pun intended).
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Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #31 on: January 30, 2018, 04:00:19 PM »

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-intelligence/russian-spy-chief-visited-united-states-russian-embassy-idUSKBN1FJ2PF?il=0

The head of Russia's Intelligence Agency, who is under sanctions and not permitted in the US, was in the United States last week briefing Trump's administration.  The entire country is going to break apart while the right wing cheers it on.  There are reports that Trump wants to imprison Mueller now right after meeting with this guy

Would love to see those reports.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2018-state-of-the-union-address/state-donald-trump-he-thinks-it-couldn-t-be-better-n842501

This seems to be the main one

Sorry Quetzalcoati, I just linked the same one.  You beat me to it.

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #32 on: January 30, 2018, 05:04:20 PM »

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On absolutely no factual basis at all, I do not believe the Russians were able to influence the election.  I do, however, believe that some entity (Russia?  Iran?  Korea?) tried to drive a wedge to cause a violent division between Americans of different political persuasions....and succeeded...unless we wise up.   

Someone was paying attention when Lincoln said, a nation divided against itself cannot stand.

1) I agree that Russian meddling didn't affect the outcome of the election.

But:
2) Russia did try to affect the elections. There is (or at least was until recently) bi-partisan agreement on this point, and it is a point that our intelligence agencies stand behind.

3) A special prosecutor (Mueller) is investigating whether there was any contact between political parties and Russians to help the Russians in their efforts.  Mueller should be allowed to do his job. Whatever the outcome of Mueller's findings, it doesn't "undo" either of the top two points.
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Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2018, 01:18:07 PM »

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-intelligence/russian-spy-chief-visited-united-states-russian-embassy-idUSKBN1FJ2PF?il=0

The head of Russia's Intelligence Agency, who is under sanctions and not permitted in the US, was in the United States last week briefing Trump's administration.  The entire country is going to break apart while the right wing cheers it on.  There are reports that Trump wants to imprison Mueller now right after meeting with this guy

Updating this, turns out the heads of all 3 major Russian spy orgs visited Washington ahead of the decision not to impose sanctions. At least 2 met with CIA director Pompeo, and 2 are personally under sanction themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-spy-chiefs-met-in-washington-with-cia-director-to-discuss-counterterrorism/2018/01/31/0b761976-068b-11e8-94e8-e8b8600ade23_story.html

This story leaked from the Russian press, but has been confirmed by US outlets. The leak sure feels like a bit of a victory lap by Putin. Fun stuff.

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2018, 02:06:06 PM »

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-intelligence/russian-spy-chief-visited-united-states-russian-embassy-idUSKBN1FJ2PF?il=0

The head of Russia's Intelligence Agency, who is under sanctions and not permitted in the US, was in the United States last week briefing Trump's administration.  The entire country is going to break apart while the right wing cheers it on.  There are reports that Trump wants to imprison Mueller now right after meeting with this guy

Updating this, turns out the heads of all 3 major Russian spy orgs visited Washington ahead of the decision not to impose sanctions. At least 2 met with CIA director Pompeo, and 2 are personally under sanction themselves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-spy-chiefs-met-in-washington-with-cia-director-to-discuss-counterterrorism/2018/01/31/0b761976-068b-11e8-94e8-e8b8600ade23_story.html

This story leaked from the Russian press, but has been confirmed by US outlets. The leak sure feels like a bit of a victory lap by Putin. Fun stuff.

Yeah that was pretty sketchy sounding.  The question of why the Trump administration won't do anything to address the Russian interference in the 2016 elections is such a central issue, I don't know why it doesn't get more coverage.

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2018, 07:33:21 PM »

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It is alarming that Pres. Trump won't put the sanctions into effect.  It's indefensible as I see it.

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2018, 08:45:26 PM »

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Careful with these photos, I remember an old Trump Russia thread that got shutdown at least  partially because of a Trump / Putin photo.  How do I know, because I was the one that posted the photo...lol.

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2018, 08:50:20 PM »

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Careful with these photos, I remember an old Trump Russia thread that got shutdown at least  partially because of a Trump / Putin photo.  How do I know, because I was the one that posted the photo...lol.

Yeah that's why I was careful in posting what I did.

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Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2018, 08:50:54 PM »

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Careful with these photos, I remember an old Trump Russia thread that got shutdown at least  partially because of a Trump / Putin photo.  How do I know, because I was the one that posted the photo...lol.
Too incindiary so they are gone

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2018, 10:03:22 PM »

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Careful with these photos, I remember an old Trump Russia thread that got shutdown at least  partially because of a Trump / Putin photo.  How do I know, because I was the one that posted the photo...lol.
Too incindiary so they are gone

I know I know.  I hope nothing gets this thread locked. 

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #40 on: February 16, 2018, 01:15:21 PM »

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Breaking right now: Mueller indicts 13 Russians for interfering in the U.S. election and defrauding US citizens.

They were clearly pro-Trump and anti-Hillary, Rubio and Cruz.

The indictment is here: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

A news story is here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-indicts-13-russian-nationals-russia-investigation/story?id=53147082

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #41 on: February 16, 2018, 01:33:32 PM »

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Breaking right now: Mueller indicts 13 Russians for interfering in the U.S. election and defrauding US citizens.

They were clearly pro-Trump and anti-Hillary, Rubio and Cruz.

The indictment is here: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

A news story is here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-indicts-13-russian-nationals-russia-investigation/story?id=53147082
Interesting that the report said some of those indicted had made contact to "unwitting" Trump officials. Could be huge for clearing some of Trump's team.

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #42 on: February 16, 2018, 01:40:32 PM »

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Breaking right now: Mueller indicts 13 Russians for interfering in the U.S. election and defrauding US citizens.

They were clearly pro-Trump and anti-Hillary, Rubio and Cruz.

The indictment is here: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

A news story is here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-indicts-13-russian-nationals-russia-investigation/story?id=53147082
Interesting that the report said some of those indicted had made contact to "unwitting" Trump officials. Could be huge for clearing some of Trump's team.

You mean like this? https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/trump-putin-g20/index.html

The Russians openly called this warfare and started initiating the attack for the 2016 elections in 2014.  All of this information was available to Trump and he said that it was all a "hoax" multiple times.  He was almost certainly covering for them.

How about how Congress nearly unanimously passed Russian sanctions, Trump dropped them, then Russia itself leaked that the sanctioned heads of the Russian intelligence agency were snuck into the country by Trump right before the sanction implementation deadline? https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/pompeo-russian-spies-meeting/index.html

How about how Trump put in General Flynn, a knowing Russian asset that Trump was warned multiple times to not hire, as head of our National Security Council?  Trump put in a Russian spy as head of NSC after being told he was a spy.  That literally happened.

The stuff about "knowing participation" is to keep Trump from feeling attacked right now.  There are going to be American indictments in the next round and they will be backed up with heavy evidence. Campaign officials were referenced in the indictment, just wait for it.

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« Reply #43 on: February 16, 2018, 01:51:09 PM »

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It is becoming extremely difficult for Trump and the white house continue to claim that the whole "russia thing" is a hoax.  The Justice Department just indicted 13 russians on various charges for interference in the US 2016 elections. 

If Trump and the White house doesn't do anything about this interference with some type of real action, additional sanctions, something.... I really think that Trump is a traitor. 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/politics/mueller-russia-indictments-election-interference/index.html

Re: Trump administration refuses to implement new tougher sanctions on Russia
« Reply #44 on: February 16, 2018, 01:51:59 PM »

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Breaking right now: Mueller indicts 13 Russians for interfering in the U.S. election and defrauding US citizens.

They were clearly pro-Trump and anti-Hillary, Rubio and Cruz.

The indictment is here: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

A news story is here: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/special-counsel-indicts-13-russian-nationals-russia-investigation/story?id=53147082
Interesting that the report said some of those indicted had made contact to "unwitting" Trump officials. Could be huge for clearing some of Trump's team.

You mean like this? https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/politics/trump-putin-g20/index.html

The Russians openly called this warfare and started initiating the attack for the 2016 elections in 2014.  All of this information was available to Trump and he said that it was all a "hoax" multiple times.  He was almost certainly covering for them.

How about how Congress nearly unanimously passed Russian sanctions, Trump dropped them, then Russia itself leaked that the sanctioned heads of the Russian intelligence agency were snuck into the country by Trump right before the sanction implementation deadline? https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/pompeo-russian-spies-meeting/index.html

How about how Trump put in General Flynn, a knowing Russian asset that Trump was warned multiple times to not hire, as head of our National Security Council?  Trump put in a Russian spy as head of NSC after being told he was a spy.  That literally happened.

The stuff about "knowing participation" is to keep Trump from feeling attacked right now.  There are going to be American indictments in the next round and they will be backed up with heavy evidence. Campaign officials were referenced in the indictment, just wait for it.
Don't get me wrong, I think Trump and his administration was complicit with everything the Russians were doing. Just thought it interesting that the article worded it that way.

Should be interesting what comes out of the White House regarding this as they have been calling it a witch hunt from the beginning.