Wes Matthews available for a 1st

[Monkhouse]

Maybe they can get a protected 1st if they're willing to take on a longer contract.

I was thinking something like that.  I mean would the Cavs trade JR Smith (and Rose for filler) and their 1st this year for Matthews.

Why would the Cavs even think of doing that...

[action781]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydddok4x

> Dallas trades Wes Matthews (2 years @ 18M per) and receives Al Jefferson (1 years @ 10M per if decline team option), Darren Collison (2 years @ 10M per), Glenn Robinson III (expiring 1.5M, RFA rights), and future NO first round pick

> NO trades Jrue Holiday and future 1st and gets Wes Matthews

> Indy trades Collison + Al Jefferson + Robinson III and gets Jrue Holiday


Dallas trims some salary, gets a first round pick, a veteran point guard to mentor DSJ and an expiring RFA.
NO gets a much better and needed roster fit in Wes, Rondo plays point full time and a subsequent move to get a backup point guard can be made if Jameer Nelson isn't cutting it.  Spencer Dinwiddie perhaps?
Indy trades 3 nickels for a quarter.  Jrue is a bad contract, but they ain't getting any free agents to sign there.

[Monkhouse]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydddok4x

> Dallas trades Wes Matthews (2 years @ 18M per) and receives Al Jefferson (1 years @ 10M per if decline team option), Darren Collison (2 years @ 10M per), Glenn Robinson III (expiring 1.5M, RFA rights), and future NO first round pick

> NO trades Jrue Holiday and future 1st and gets Wes Matthews

> Indy trades Collison + Al Jefferson + Robinson III and gets Jrue Holiday


Dallas trims some salary, gets a first round pick, a veteran point guard to mentor DSJ and an expiring RFA.
NO gets a much better and needed roster fit in Wes, Rondo plays point full time and a subsequent move to get a backup point guard can be made if Jameer Nelson isn't cutting it.  Spencer Dinwiddie perhaps?
Indy trades 3 nickels for a quarter.  Jrue is a bad contract, but they ain't getting any free agents to sign there.

Can't really see any team doing that to be honest..

Jrue may be a bad contract, but he's vastly still a better player than NO. The New Orleans needs a consistent SG, but they also need a SF more. Spencer Dimwiddie isn't going away for nothing, Nets value him highly.

[action781]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydddok4x

> Dallas trades Wes Matthews (2 years @ 18M per) and receives Al Jefferson (1 years @ 10M per if decline team option), Darren Collison (2 years @ 10M per), Glenn Robinson III (expiring 1.5M, RFA rights), and future NO first round pick

> NO trades Jrue Holiday and future 1st and gets Wes Matthews

> Indy trades Collison + Al Jefferson + Robinson III and gets Jrue Holiday


Dallas trims some salary, gets a first round pick, a veteran point guard to mentor DSJ and an expiring RFA.
NO gets a much better and needed roster fit in Wes, Rondo plays point full time and a subsequent move to get a backup point guard can be made if Jameer Nelson isn't cutting it.  Spencer Dinwiddie perhaps?
Indy trades 3 nickels for a quarter.  Jrue is a bad contract, but they ain't getting any free agents to sign there.

Can't really see any team doing that to be honest..

Jrue may be a bad contract, but he's vastly still a better player than NO. The New Orleans needs a consistent SG, but they also need a SF more. Spencer Dimwiddie isn't going away for nothing, Nets value him highly.

I think NO just needs true SG/SF wing type players, not either particular position more than the other.  Wes is that exactly kind of player and actually has played 67% of his minutes at SF this season.  Solomon Hill is a SF when he eventually returns as well.

[Monkhouse]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydddok4x

> Dallas trades Wes Matthews (2 years @ 18M per) and receives Al Jefferson (1 years @ 10M per if decline team option), Darren Collison (2 years @ 10M per), Glenn Robinson III (expiring 1.5M, RFA rights), and future NO first round pick

> NO trades Jrue Holiday and future 1st and gets Wes Matthews

> Indy trades Collison + Al Jefferson + Robinson III and gets Jrue Holiday


Dallas trims some salary, gets a first round pick, a veteran point guard to mentor DSJ and an expiring RFA.
NO gets a much better and needed roster fit in Wes, Rondo plays point full time and a subsequent move to get a backup point guard can be made if Jameer Nelson isn't cutting it.  Spencer Dinwiddie perhaps?
Indy trades 3 nickels for a quarter.  Jrue is a bad contract, but they ain't getting any free agents to sign there.

Can't really see any team doing that to be honest..

Jrue may be a bad contract, but he's vastly still a better player than NO. The New Orleans needs a consistent SG, but they also need a SF more. Spencer Dimwiddie isn't going away for nothing, Nets value him highly.

I think NO just needs true SG/SF wing type players, not either particular position more than the other.  Wes is that exactly kind of player and actually has played 67% of his minutes at SF this season.  Solomon Hill is a SF when he eventually returns as well.

But there is no way in hell you can justify giving up a 1st rounder for someone like Wesley Matthews. Even if you believe Matthews is better than Jrue, which he is not, it would be a tough sell to take on Matthews especially with his injury history. And Solomon Hill is probably one of the worst SF in the league lol. (I take it back, he's a great defender, just not the best floor spacer.)

[Moranis]

Maybe they can get a protected 1st if they're willing to take on a longer contract.

I was thinking something like that.  I mean would the Cavs trade JR Smith (and Rose for filler) and their 1st this year for Matthews.

Why would the Cavs even think of doing that...

Matthews is a much better shooter than Smith, is a better defender (at least this year), and is signed for 1 less year (though for more money over the next 2).  The 1st rounder is going to be in the 20's, so it isn't a ton of value.

[MJohnnyboy]

I know this is practically impossible, but I'd love for Dallas to work out a deal where they trade Matthews for Avery, then Dalas waives Avery which the Celtics then use the DPE to bring him back.

[Monkhouse]

I know this is practically impossible, but I'd love for Dallas to work out a deal where they trade Matthews for Avery, then Dalas waives Avery which the Celtics then use the DPE to bring him back.

Yeah that would never happen lol.... And even then, I'm not sure, but you cannot bring back players you traded after one year, correct? Even if their waived?

[MJohnnyboy]

I know this is practically impossible, but I'd love for Dallas to work out a deal where they trade Matthews for Avery, then Dalas waives Avery which the Celtics then use the DPE to bring him back.

Yeah that would never happen lol.... And even then, I'm not sure, but you cannot bring back players you traded after one year, correct? Even if their waived?

Actually you can! As long as you are not the last team to trade the player, you can bring him back less than a year after you traded him. I learned this from the Andrew Bogut trade to Philly last year.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14721712/andrew-bogut-warriors-bought-out-waivers-nba-trade-deadline

[Monkhouse]

I know this is practically impossible, but I'd love for Dallas to work out a deal where they trade Matthews for Avery, then Dalas waives Avery which the Celtics then use the DPE to bring him back.

Yeah that would never happen lol.... And even then, I'm not sure, but you cannot bring back players you traded after one year, correct? Even if their waived?

Actually you can! As long as you are not the last team to trade the player, you can bring him back less than a year after you traded him. I learned this from the Andrew Bogut trade to Philly last year.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14721712/andrew-bogut-warriors-bought-out-waivers-nba-trade-deadline

Ah, I see. I forgot about that trade, yes AB would be nice on this team, but is he starting over Jaylen?

[MJohnnyboy]

I know this is practically impossible, but I'd love for Dallas to work out a deal where they trade Matthews for Avery, then Dalas waives Avery which the Celtics then use the DPE to bring him back.

Yeah that would never happen lol.... And even then, I'm not sure, but you cannot bring back players you traded after one year, correct? Even if their waived?

Actually you can! As long as you are not the last team to trade the player, you can bring him back less than a year after you traded him. I learned this from the Andrew Bogut trade to Philly last year.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14721712/andrew-bogut-warriors-bought-out-waivers-nba-trade-deadline

Ah, I see. I forgot about that trade, yes AB would be nice on this team, but is he starting over Jaylen?

Nah. I'd see him taking Terry's/Smart's minutes off the bench.

Avery actually hasn't been that good this season for Detroit. He had a great start but has cooled off. I wonder if the rape allegations have affected his game mentally.

[GreenEnvy]

I’d give up a top-30 protected first for him.

[guava_wrench]

Maybe they can get a protected 1st if they're willing to take on a longer contract.

I was thinking something like that.  I mean would the Cavs trade JR Smith (and Rose for filler) and their 1st this year for Matthews.

No, the Cavs will not give up a first to add a player for this season. They will keep the pick for life after Lebron.

A bad contract doesn't even help keep Lebron. That is partly how Cleveland lost him the first time -- throwing money at underwhelming additions to appease Lebron.

[guava_wrench]

I’d give up a top-30 protected first for him.

While I appreciate the joke, I wouldn't even give that (impossible to convey) pick because of the contract. I just would not want the contract at all. Plus, we would have to give up a lot of players to match the contract.

[saltlover]

I know this is practically impossible, but I'd love for Dallas to work out a deal where they trade Matthews for Avery, then Dalas waives Avery which the Celtics then use the DPE to bring him back.

Yeah that would never happen lol.... And even then, I'm not sure, but you cannot bring back players you traded after one year, correct? Even if their waived?

Actually you can! As long as you are not the last team to trade the player, you can bring him back less than a year after you traded him. I learned this from the Andrew Bogut trade to Philly last year.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/23/14721712/andrew-bogut-warriors-bought-out-waivers-nba-trade-deadline

So this trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8wx8gf8

Dallas gets a lottery protected 1st that turns into two seconds.  Detroit gets Matthews for this season and next, and gets rid of Galloway’s ill-advised contract.  Dallas gets something for Matthews and clears enough room for a max deal next summer.  Avery gets a buyout and the C’s bring him back for the DPE.  And CelticsBlog complains when Brad runs out the Kyrie-Smart-Rozier-Bradley lineup.