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Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #60 on: February 22, 2018, 10:57:27 AM »

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Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #61 on: February 22, 2018, 10:58:19 AM »

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I heard on a podcast that if he gets out its to find a way back to California.
Well if you heard it on some podcast then it must be true. Especially since heís going to be a free agent. Oh wait, heís under contract? Then he must have a no trade clause. No? Oh yeah thatís right. He canít choose where he gets traded. This is real life, not MyCareer in NBA2k18.

He is only signed through next season. If SAS wants to maximize their return, they had better be sure that the team acquiring him would feel good about re-signing him. Lots of players give a 'list' of teams they would agree to be traded to. If he doesn't get traded to one of those destinations, he can just go there as a FA (provided one of those teams have the cap space) in 2019.
The Spurs donít give a sh*t about how the team acquiring him feels about re-signing him. They would only care about the package they are getting in return. The Celtics are going to open their treasure chest if it means getting a guy like Kawhi or AD, even if they donít commit on the spot about resigning in 2 years. Thatís actually exactly what weíre trying to do, and exactly what we did Kyrie. We werenít even on his first list of teams he wanted to be traded to.

If Kawhi wasn't happy with where he was being traded to, then he would likely leave after ONE season and that team would be left high and dry. That is why the Spurs would care - the team receiving Kawhi would be more likely to give up much more if they knew he wanted to re-sign.

Kyrie had TWO seasons left when he was traded and AD has TWO seasons left after this one. Also, the Cs were reportedly on Kyrie's list of six teams he would like to be traded to. When KG Danny began negotiations with Minny about KG, he first refused to re-sign here. It wasn't until we traded for Allen that KG gave an indication that he would stay.

Whether we like it or not, it does matter where Kawhi wants to go - both sides will basically only have a one-year try out before he can become a FA. If the Spurs trade a player of his caliber, they need to get the max return they can.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/21/kyrie-irvings-reported-preferred-trade-destinations-knicks-heat-spurs-timberwolves/
We werenít on Kyrieís initial trade request. That was the Knicks, Heat, Wolves, and Spurs. We still traded for him because it was a good deal, even though he certainly could leave next year.

So you hear some guy on a podcast say Kawhi might try to go back to California, and all of sudden we canít trade for him? Give me a break, thatís ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons why we wonít be able to trade for Kawhi, but him maybe wanting to go back to California is not one of them. Especially since youíre not even suggesting a team, simply a state. A lot of things can change in a year and a half, and this is one of the weakest reasons Ive ever seen of why we canít trade for a superstar.

And no, the spurs donít care about how the celtics would feel about re signing him. They only care about the package they are getting for him. I donít know why you cant see that. If Kawhi really forced his way out, they would accept the best offer for him, regardless of where that is and the probability of Kawhi resigning there.
that list wasn't leaked by Irving.  There were plenty of reports out there, that Boston was in fact one of Irving's preferred teams and was on his "list" the whole time, but that the Cavs were more reticent to trade him to Boston so the source leaking the names never leaked Boston.
Well there are tons of conflicting reports, especially after the entire saga and trade. Heck there are even still developing stories with the Kyrie trade, like the report that came out saying he would have knee surgery if he wasnít traded.

Obviously the Celtics want their fans to think Kyrie wants to be here, and once Kyrie was traded here thereís no reason for him to publicly say he doesnít want to be here. So itís pretty clear why all the reports about him wanting to be here the whole time, and play for Stevens came out, and thatís to benefit the celtics and Kyrie.

Itís difficult because we have so little information, and we barely know whatís actually going on. But the fact of the matter is that when Kyrieís trade demand went public, there were four teams on his list, and we werenít one of them. That list was just accepted for a couple weeks, and nobody questioned or denied it (including Kyrie), until we traded for him, and later we found out that conveniently he wanted to be here all along.
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Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2018, 11:04:40 AM »

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I heard on a podcast that if he gets out its to find a way back to California.
Well if you heard it on some podcast then it must be true. Especially since heís going to be a free agent. Oh wait, heís under contract? Then he must have a no trade clause. No? Oh yeah thatís right. He canít choose where he gets traded. This is real life, not MyCareer in NBA2k18.

He is only signed through next season. If SAS wants to maximize their return, they had better be sure that the team acquiring him would feel good about re-signing him. Lots of players give a 'list' of teams they would agree to be traded to. If he doesn't get traded to one of those destinations, he can just go there as a FA (provided one of those teams have the cap space) in 2019.
The Spurs donít give a sh*t about how the team acquiring him feels about re-signing him. They would only care about the package they are getting in return. The Celtics are going to open their treasure chest if it means getting a guy like Kawhi or AD, even if they donít commit on the spot about resigning in 2 years. Thatís actually exactly what weíre trying to do, and exactly what we did Kyrie. We werenít even on his first list of teams he wanted to be traded to.

If Kawhi wasn't happy with where he was being traded to, then he would likely leave after ONE season and that team would be left high and dry. That is why the Spurs would care - the team receiving Kawhi would be more likely to give up much more if they knew he wanted to re-sign.

Kyrie had TWO seasons left when he was traded and AD has TWO seasons left after this one. Also, the Cs were reportedly on Kyrie's list of six teams he would like to be traded to. When KG Danny began negotiations with Minny about KG, he first refused to re-sign here. It wasn't until we traded for Allen that KG gave an indication that he would stay.

Whether we like it or not, it does matter where Kawhi wants to go - both sides will basically only have a one-year try out before he can become a FA. If the Spurs trade a player of his caliber, they need to get the max return they can.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/21/kyrie-irvings-reported-preferred-trade-destinations-knicks-heat-spurs-timberwolves/
We werenít on Kyrieís initial trade request. That was the Knicks, Heat, Wolves, and Spurs. We still traded for him because it was a good deal, even though he certainly could leave next year.

So you hear some guy on a podcast say Kawhi might try to go back to California, and all of sudden we canít trade for him? Give me a break, thatís ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons why we wonít be able to trade for Kawhi, but him maybe wanting to go back to California is not one of them. Especially since youíre not even suggesting a team, simply a state. A lot of things can change in a year and a half, and this is one of the weakest reasons Ive ever seen of why we canít trade for a superstar.

And no, the spurs donít care about how the celtics would feel about re signing him. They only care about the package they are getting for him. I donít know why you cant see that. If Kawhi really forced his way out, they would accept the best offer for him, regardless of where that is and the probability of Kawhi resigning there.
that list wasn't leaked by Irving.  There were plenty of reports out there, that Boston was in fact one of Irving's preferred teams and was on his "list" the whole time, but that the Cavs were more reticent to trade him to Boston so the source leaking the names never leaked Boston.
Well there are tons of conflicting reports, especially after the entire saga and trade. Heck there are even still developing stories with the Kyrie trade, like the report that came out saying he would have knee surgery if he wasnít traded.

Obviously the Celtics want their fans to think Kyrie wants to be here, and once Kyrie was traded here thereís no reason for him to publicly say he doesnít want to be here. So itís pretty clear why all the reports about him wanting to be here the whole time, and play for Stevens came out, and thatís to benefit the celtics and Kyrie.

Itís difficult because we have so little information, and we barely know whatís actually going on. But the fact of the matter is that when Kyrieís trade demand went public, there were four teams on his list, and we werenít one of them. That list was just accepted for a couple weeks, and nobody questioned or denied it (including Kyrie), until we traded for him, and later we found out that conveniently he wanted to be here all along.
Boston was on a leaked list before he was traded to Boston.  David Griffin specifically mentioned Boston on several different occasions as a possible landing spot. 

Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2018, 11:15:16 AM »

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I heard on a podcast that if he gets out its to find a way back to California.
Well if you heard it on some podcast then it must be true. Especially since heís going to be a free agent. Oh wait, heís under contract? Then he must have a no trade clause. No? Oh yeah thatís right. He canít choose where he gets traded. This is real life, not MyCareer in NBA2k18.

He is only signed through next season. If SAS wants to maximize their return, they had better be sure that the team acquiring him would feel good about re-signing him. Lots of players give a 'list' of teams they would agree to be traded to. If he doesn't get traded to one of those destinations, he can just go there as a FA (provided one of those teams have the cap space) in 2019.
The Spurs donít give a sh*t about how the team acquiring him feels about re-signing him. They would only care about the package they are getting in return. The Celtics are going to open their treasure chest if it means getting a guy like Kawhi or AD, even if they donít commit on the spot about resigning in 2 years. Thatís actually exactly what weíre trying to do, and exactly what we did Kyrie. We werenít even on his first list of teams he wanted to be traded to.

If Kawhi wasn't happy with where he was being traded to, then he would likely leave after ONE season and that team would be left high and dry. That is why the Spurs would care - the team receiving Kawhi would be more likely to give up much more if they knew he wanted to re-sign.

Kyrie had TWO seasons left when he was traded and AD has TWO seasons left after this one. Also, the Cs were reportedly on Kyrie's list of six teams he would like to be traded to. When KG Danny began negotiations with Minny about KG, he first refused to re-sign here. It wasn't until we traded for Allen that KG gave an indication that he would stay.

Whether we like it or not, it does matter where Kawhi wants to go - both sides will basically only have a one-year try out before he can become a FA. If the Spurs trade a player of his caliber, they need to get the max return they can.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/21/kyrie-irvings-reported-preferred-trade-destinations-knicks-heat-spurs-timberwolves/
We werenít on Kyrieís initial trade request. That was the Knicks, Heat, Wolves, and Spurs. We still traded for him because it was a good deal, even though he certainly could leave next year.

So you hear some guy on a podcast say Kawhi might try to go back to California, and all of sudden we canít trade for him? Give me a break, thatís ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons why we wonít be able to trade for Kawhi, but him maybe wanting to go back to California is not one of them. Especially since youíre not even suggesting a team, simply a state. A lot of things can change in a year and a half, and this is one of the weakest reasons Ive ever seen of why we canít trade for a superstar.

And no, the spurs donít care about how the celtics would feel about re signing him. They only care about the package they are getting for him. I donít know why you cant see that. If Kawhi really forced his way out, they would accept the best offer for him, regardless of where that is and the probability of Kawhi resigning there.
that list wasn't leaked by Irving.  There were plenty of reports out there, that Boston was in fact one of Irving's preferred teams and was on his "list" the whole time, but that the Cavs were more reticent to trade him to Boston so the source leaking the names never leaked Boston.
Well there are tons of conflicting reports, especially after the entire saga and trade. Heck there are even still developing stories with the Kyrie trade, like the report that came out saying he would have knee surgery if he wasnít traded.

Obviously the Celtics want their fans to think Kyrie wants to be here, and once Kyrie was traded here thereís no reason for him to publicly say he doesnít want to be here. So itís pretty clear why all the reports about him wanting to be here the whole time, and play for Stevens came out, and thatís to benefit the celtics and Kyrie.

Itís difficult because we have so little information, and we barely know whatís actually going on. But the fact of the matter is that when Kyrieís trade demand went public, there were four teams on his list, and we werenít one of them. That list was just accepted for a couple weeks, and nobody questioned or denied it (including Kyrie), until we traded for him, and later we found out that conveniently he wanted to be here all along.
Boston was on a leaked list before he was traded to Boston.  David Griffin specifically mentioned Boston on several different occasions as a possible landing spot.
That shows where he might be traded, not where he requested to be traded...

Boston was mentioned as a possible landing spot for Tyreke Evans, does that mean he requested a trade here? Or even wants to be traded here?

Like I said before, there are a lot of conflicting reports. Fact of the matter is that when his trade request became public, we were not on Kyrieís initial list of preferred teams. If he really wanted to be here that badly, those reports surely would have been debunked as soon as possible so he could go where he wanted to go and put pressure on the cavs.

Iím not sure if you just canít accept Boston wasnít Kyrieís dream choice 100% of the way or what youíre really arguing..
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Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2018, 11:18:18 AM »

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Kyrie Irving himself states that Boston was not on his radar until Danny reached out to him.  Then Boston quickly became his number 1 choice.

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« Reply #65 on: February 22, 2018, 11:33:02 AM »

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I heard on a podcast that if he gets out its to find a way back to California.
Well if you heard it on some podcast then it must be true. Especially since heís going to be a free agent. Oh wait, heís under contract? Then he must have a no trade clause. No? Oh yeah thatís right. He canít choose where he gets traded. This is real life, not MyCareer in NBA2k18.

He is only signed through next season. If SAS wants to maximize their return, they had better be sure that the team acquiring him would feel good about re-signing him. Lots of players give a 'list' of teams they would agree to be traded to. If he doesn't get traded to one of those destinations, he can just go there as a FA (provided one of those teams have the cap space) in 2019.
The Spurs donít give a sh*t about how the team acquiring him feels about re-signing him. They would only care about the package they are getting in return. The Celtics are going to open their treasure chest if it means getting a guy like Kawhi or AD, even if they donít commit on the spot about resigning in 2 years. Thatís actually exactly what weíre trying to do, and exactly what we did Kyrie. We werenít even on his first list of teams he wanted to be traded to.

If Kawhi wasn't happy with where he was being traded to, then he would likely leave after ONE season and that team would be left high and dry. That is why the Spurs would care - the team receiving Kawhi would be more likely to give up much more if they knew he wanted to re-sign.

Kyrie had TWO seasons left when he was traded and AD has TWO seasons left after this one. Also, the Cs were reportedly on Kyrie's list of six teams he would like to be traded to. When KG Danny began negotiations with Minny about KG, he first refused to re-sign here. It wasn't until we traded for Allen that KG gave an indication that he would stay.

Whether we like it or not, it does matter where Kawhi wants to go - both sides will basically only have a one-year try out before he can become a FA. If the Spurs trade a player of his caliber, they need to get the max return they can.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/21/kyrie-irvings-reported-preferred-trade-destinations-knicks-heat-spurs-timberwolves/
We werenít on Kyrieís initial trade request. That was the Knicks, Heat, Wolves, and Spurs. We still traded for him because it was a good deal, even though he certainly could leave next year.

So you hear some guy on a podcast say Kawhi might try to go back to California, and all of sudden we canít trade for him? Give me a break, thatís ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons why we wonít be able to trade for Kawhi, but him maybe wanting to go back to California is not one of them. Especially since youíre not even suggesting a team, simply a state. A lot of things can change in a year and a half, and this is one of the weakest reasons Ive ever seen of why we canít trade for a superstar.

And no, the spurs donít care about how the celtics would feel about re signing him. They only care about the package they are getting for him. I donít know why you cant see that. If Kawhi really forced his way out, they would accept the best offer for him, regardless of where that is and the probability of Kawhi resigning there.
that list wasn't leaked by Irving.  There were plenty of reports out there, that Boston was in fact one of Irving's preferred teams and was on his "list" the whole time, but that the Cavs were more reticent to trade him to Boston so the source leaking the names never leaked Boston.
Well there are tons of conflicting reports, especially after the entire saga and trade. Heck there are even still developing stories with the Kyrie trade, like the report that came out saying he would have knee surgery if he wasnít traded.

Obviously the Celtics want their fans to think Kyrie wants to be here, and once Kyrie was traded here thereís no reason for him to publicly say he doesnít want to be here. So itís pretty clear why all the reports about him wanting to be here the whole time, and play for Stevens came out, and thatís to benefit the celtics and Kyrie.

Itís difficult because we have so little information, and we barely know whatís actually going on. But the fact of the matter is that when Kyrieís trade demand went public, there were four teams on his list, and we werenít one of them. That list was just accepted for a couple weeks, and nobody questioned or denied it (including Kyrie), until we traded for him, and later we found out that conveniently he wanted to be here all along.
Boston was on a leaked list before he was traded to Boston.  David Griffin specifically mentioned Boston on several different occasions as a possible landing spot.
That shows where he might be traded, not where he requested to be traded...

Boston was mentioned as a possible landing spot for Tyreke Evans, does that mean he requested a trade here? Or even wants to be traded here?

Like I said before, there are a lot of conflicting reports. Fact of the matter is that when his trade request became public, we were not on Kyrieís initial list of preferred teams. If he really wanted to be here that badly, those reports surely would have been debunked as soon as possible so he could go where he wanted to go and put pressure on the cavs.

Iím not sure if you just canít accept Boston wasnít Kyrieís dream choice 100% of the way or what youíre really arguing..
That wasn't the tone of Griffin's tweets or statements. 

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/08/kyrie_irving_trade_rumors_2017_2.html

"He went to Dan Gilbert privately, told him that he thought he would be happier somewhere else," Griffin said. "The absolute worst thing this guy could've done is pretend to be all in and sink the ship from within. Most guys don't have the courage to do what he did. That's not youth and ignorance. That's a little bit more courage than people give him credit for. This is a guy whose list included really good coaching situations -- Brad Stevens and Popovich."

"The teams on his list -- Gordon Hayward in Boston and Kawhi Leonard in San Antonio -- he would be accompanied by other great players, so it's not like he's asking to lead a ragtag bunch," Griffin said. "He just wanted to put himself in a position, I think, where he could find out exactly what he has as a 25-year-old entering his prime."

Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #66 on: February 22, 2018, 11:46:56 AM »

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I heard on a podcast that if he gets out its to find a way back to California.
Well if you heard it on some podcast then it must be true. Especially since heís going to be a free agent. Oh wait, heís under contract? Then he must have a no trade clause. No? Oh yeah thatís right. He canít choose where he gets traded. This is real life, not MyCareer in NBA2k18.

He is only signed through next season. If SAS wants to maximize their return, they had better be sure that the team acquiring him would feel good about re-signing him. Lots of players give a 'list' of teams they would agree to be traded to. If he doesn't get traded to one of those destinations, he can just go there as a FA (provided one of those teams have the cap space) in 2019.
The Spurs donít give a sh*t about how the team acquiring him feels about re-signing him. They would only care about the package they are getting in return. The Celtics are going to open their treasure chest if it means getting a guy like Kawhi or AD, even if they donít commit on the spot about resigning in 2 years. Thatís actually exactly what weíre trying to do, and exactly what we did Kyrie. We werenít even on his first list of teams he wanted to be traded to.

If Kawhi wasn't happy with where he was being traded to, then he would likely leave after ONE season and that team would be left high and dry. That is why the Spurs would care - the team receiving Kawhi would be more likely to give up much more if they knew he wanted to re-sign.

Kyrie had TWO seasons left when he was traded and AD has TWO seasons left after this one. Also, the Cs were reportedly on Kyrie's list of six teams he would like to be traded to. When KG Danny began negotiations with Minny about KG, he first refused to re-sign here. It wasn't until we traded for Allen that KG gave an indication that he would stay.

Whether we like it or not, it does matter where Kawhi wants to go - both sides will basically only have a one-year try out before he can become a FA. If the Spurs trade a player of his caliber, they need to get the max return they can.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/21/kyrie-irvings-reported-preferred-trade-destinations-knicks-heat-spurs-timberwolves/
We werenít on Kyrieís initial trade request. That was the Knicks, Heat, Wolves, and Spurs. We still traded for him because it was a good deal, even though he certainly could leave next year.

So you hear some guy on a podcast say Kawhi might try to go back to California, and all of sudden we canít trade for him? Give me a break, thatís ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons why we wonít be able to trade for Kawhi, but him maybe wanting to go back to California is not one of them. Especially since youíre not even suggesting a team, simply a state. A lot of things can change in a year and a half, and this is one of the weakest reasons Ive ever seen of why we canít trade for a superstar.

And no, the spurs donít care about how the celtics would feel about re signing him. They only care about the package they are getting for him. I donít know why you cant see that. If Kawhi really forced his way out, they would accept the best offer for him, regardless of where that is and the probability of Kawhi resigning there.
that list wasn't leaked by Irving.  There were plenty of reports out there, that Boston was in fact one of Irving's preferred teams and was on his "list" the whole time, but that the Cavs were more reticent to trade him to Boston so the source leaking the names never leaked Boston.
Well there are tons of conflicting reports, especially after the entire saga and trade. Heck there are even still developing stories with the Kyrie trade, like the report that came out saying he would have knee surgery if he wasnít traded.

Obviously the Celtics want their fans to think Kyrie wants to be here, and once Kyrie was traded here thereís no reason for him to publicly say he doesnít want to be here. So itís pretty clear why all the reports about him wanting to be here the whole time, and play for Stevens came out, and thatís to benefit the celtics and Kyrie.

Itís difficult because we have so little information, and we barely know whatís actually going on. But the fact of the matter is that when Kyrieís trade demand went public, there were four teams on his list, and we werenít one of them. That list was just accepted for a couple weeks, and nobody questioned or denied it (including Kyrie), until we traded for him, and later we found out that conveniently he wanted to be here all along.
Boston was on a leaked list before he was traded to Boston.  David Griffin specifically mentioned Boston on several different occasions as a possible landing spot.
That shows where he might be traded, not where he requested to be traded...

Boston was mentioned as a possible landing spot for Tyreke Evans, does that mean he requested a trade here? Or even wants to be traded here?

Like I said before, there are a lot of conflicting reports. Fact of the matter is that when his trade request became public, we were not on Kyrieís initial list of preferred teams. If he really wanted to be here that badly, those reports surely would have been debunked as soon as possible so he could go where he wanted to go and put pressure on the cavs.

Iím not sure if you just canít accept Boston wasnít Kyrieís dream choice 100% of the way or what youíre really arguing..
That wasn't the tone of Griffin's tweets or statements. 

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2017/08/kyrie_irving_trade_rumors_2017_2.html

"He went to Dan Gilbert privately, told him that he thought he would be happier somewhere else," Griffin said. "The absolute worst thing this guy could've done is pretend to be all in and sink the ship from within. Most guys don't have the courage to do what he did. That's not youth and ignorance. That's a little bit more courage than people give him credit for. This is a guy whose list included really good coaching situations -- Brad Stevens and Popovich."

"The teams on his list -- Gordon Hayward in Boston and Kawhi Leonard in San Antonio -- he would be accompanied by other great players, so it's not like he's asking to lead a ragtag bunch," Griffin said. "He just wanted to put himself in a position, I think, where he could find out exactly what he has as a 25-year-old entering his prime."
Youíre posting one link about the opinion of one guy (who had already left Cleveland at that point) and acting like itís gospel being handed down from God himself. Again, I still donít know what youíre trying to prove. I hope you understand that in this day and age, there are going to be a lot of contradicting rumors from a lot of different people.

The facts we do have? A list of preferred teams came out when Kyrieís trade demand went public, and we werenít on it. That list wasnít questioned or denied by Kyrie or his people. As negotiations went on for the next several days, those were still the only teams that were leaked, and it was only later that the Celtics were added and it was learned Kyrie wanted to play for Stevens. The poster above said as well that Kyrie himself said he didnít want to come here initially, and it was only when DA contacted him that he wanted to come here. Maybe he can find an old link and your argument can be put to rest.
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Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2018, 12:12:09 PM »

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Love to see Leonard in Green. Question is, how bad is this injury? Would we be getting the pre-injury Leonard? That trade of Brown, the Sac pick, and Rozier + others almost seem too much if there's a good chance Kawhi won't be 100%.

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Morris, Rozier, Brown, Yabusele, 2019 Kings Pick + Another Future 1st.

That's probably what we can offer this summer if we wanted Kawhi, and maybe Spurs accept?

But frankly, I think this is more smokescreen. Don't see Kawhi acting this way (acting "selfish") and think Spurs keep him long term still.

To all the posters above who commented on this trade idea (whoever liked/hated it), I created it with the mindset that salaries needed to match and thinking about the roster that would be left over w/those that departed in the trade and getting Leonard back.

This makes most sense for us, and I'm not a fan of giving up BOTH Tatum + Brown, as well as Kings Pick for Kawhi. Love him, think he's an underrated Top-10 player in this league (when healthy), but now there's a bit of injury risk too, and that's overall a very hefty package (esp. with Kings Pick likely to land Top-5 next year). It probably also allows us to keep Smart with Bird Rights while Rozier is the odd man out in the guard group (via trade).

Now SAS may not like it, and they may get better offers elsewhere, but this idea is the "basis" of what the C's could offer, unless Ainge goes crazy  :P

Tatum + Brown can only go for AD, otherwise don't touch it.
Leonard is better than Davis and unlike Davis, Boston would actually be getting a wing back in return. 

Yeah I love Kawhi but I disagree. AD is also one of the top defenders in the league and is just 24 y/o. Easily a top-5 talent in this league. I get that Kawhi has the championship pedigree, but he's also had better coaching and better system around him (which isn't a knock at Kawhi, but Davis hasn't had that in his career if we're being frank).

Pelicans finally seemed to have something going with Cousins, Rondo, etc., but Cousins' injury changes a lot now, possibly even for next year.
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Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2018, 12:18:11 PM »

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Tatum + Brown can only go for AD, otherwise don't touch it.
Leonard is better than Davis and unlike Davis, Boston would actually be getting a wing back in return.
I don't think so.  AD is no lower than 4th best player currently behind James, Curry and Durant.  He is better than Leonard and Westbrook.

Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #70 on: February 22, 2018, 12:24:40 PM »

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A trade for Kawhi is more doable than a trade for AD. We would only need to get to 16.08 in salary if he waived his 15% trade kicker.

Unfortunately, Tatum, Morris, and Rozier would not be enough to get that done. We'd need to include Nader also.

Still not sure I want to say goodbye to any of our young guys, but it is easier to trade for Leonard than AD.

Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #71 on: February 22, 2018, 12:32:57 PM »

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I heard on a podcast that if he gets out its to find a way back to California.
Well if you heard it on some podcast then it must be true. Especially since heís going to be a free agent. Oh wait, heís under contract? Then he must have a no trade clause. No? Oh yeah thatís right. He canít choose where he gets traded. This is real life, not MyCareer in NBA2k18.

He is only signed through next season. If SAS wants to maximize their return, they had better be sure that the team acquiring him would feel good about re-signing him. Lots of players give a 'list' of teams they would agree to be traded to. If he doesn't get traded to one of those destinations, he can just go there as a FA (provided one of those teams have the cap space) in 2019.
The Spurs donít give a sh*t about how the team acquiring him feels about re-signing him. They would only care about the package they are getting in return. The Celtics are going to open their treasure chest if it means getting a guy like Kawhi or AD, even if they donít commit on the spot about resigning in 2 years. Thatís actually exactly what weíre trying to do, and exactly what we did Kyrie. We werenít even on his first list of teams he wanted to be traded to.

If Kawhi wasn't happy with where he was being traded to, then he would likely leave after ONE season and that team would be left high and dry. That is why the Spurs would care - the team receiving Kawhi would be more likely to give up much more if they knew he wanted to re-sign.

Kyrie had TWO seasons left when he was traded and AD has TWO seasons left after this one. Also, the Cs were reportedly on Kyrie's list of six teams he would like to be traded to. When KG Danny began negotiations with Minny about KG, he first refused to re-sign here. It wasn't until we traded for Allen that KG gave an indication that he would stay.

Whether we like it or not, it does matter where Kawhi wants to go - both sides will basically only have a one-year try out before he can become a FA. If the Spurs trade a player of his caliber, they need to get the max return they can.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/07/21/kyrie-irvings-reported-preferred-trade-destinations-knicks-heat-spurs-timberwolves/
We werenít on Kyrieís initial trade request. That was the Knicks, Heat, Wolves, and Spurs. We still traded for him because it was a good deal, even though he certainly could leave next year.

So you hear some guy on a podcast say Kawhi might try to go back to California, and all of sudden we canít trade for him? Give me a break, thatís ridiculous. There are a lot of reasons why we wonít be able to trade for Kawhi, but him maybe wanting to go back to California is not one of them. Especially since youíre not even suggesting a team, simply a state. A lot of things can change in a year and a half, and this is one of the weakest reasons Ive ever seen of why we canít trade for a superstar.

And no, the spurs donít care about how the celtics would feel about re signing him. They only care about the package they are getting for him. I donít know why you cant see that. If Kawhi really forced his way out, they would accept the best offer for him, regardless of where that is and the probability of Kawhi resigning there.
that list wasn't leaked by Irving.  There were plenty of reports out there, that Boston was in fact one of Irving's preferred teams and was on his "list" the whole time, but that the Cavs were more reticent to trade him to Boston so the source leaking the names never leaked Boston.
Well there are tons of conflicting reports, especially after the entire saga and trade. Heck there are even still developing stories with the Kyrie trade, like the report that came out saying he would have knee surgery if he wasnít traded.

Obviously the Celtics want their fans to think Kyrie wants to be here, and once Kyrie was traded here thereís no reason for him to publicly say he doesnít want to be here. So itís pretty clear why all the reports about him wanting to be here the whole time, and play for Stevens came out, and thatís to benefit the celtics and Kyrie.

Itís difficult because we have so little information, and we barely know whatís actually going on. But the fact of the matter is that when Kyrieís trade demand went public, there were four teams on his list, and we werenít one of them. That list was just accepted for a couple weeks, and nobody questioned or denied it (including Kyrie), until we traded for him, and later we found out that conveniently he wanted to be here all along.
Boston was on a leaked list before he was traded to Boston.  David Griffin specifically mentioned Boston on several different occasions as a possible landing spot.
That shows where he might be traded, not where he requested to be traded...

Boston was mentioned as a possible landing spot for Tyreke Evans, does that mean he requested a trade here? Or even wants to be traded here?

Like I said before, there are a lot of conflicting reports. Fact of the matter is that when his trade request became public, we were not on Kyrieís initial list of preferred teams. If he really wanted to be here that badly, those reports surely would have been debunked as soon as possible so he could go where he wanted to go and put pressure on the cavs.

Iím not sure if you just canít accept Boston wasnít Kyrieís dream choice 100% of the way or what youíre really arguing..
He must have wanted to come and be here, he dropped his trade kicker costing him over a million dollars.

Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #72 on: February 22, 2018, 12:41:55 PM »

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Morris, Rozier, Brown, Yabusele, 2019 Kings Pick + Another Future 1st.

That's probably what we can offer this summer if we wanted Kawhi, and maybe Spurs accept?

But frankly, I think this is more smokescreen. Don't see Kawhi acting this way (acting "selfish") and think Spurs keep him long term still.

To all the posters above who commented on this trade idea (whoever liked/hated it), I created it with the mindset that salaries needed to match and thinking about the roster that would be left over w/those that departed in the trade and getting Leonard back.

This makes most sense for us, and I'm not a fan of giving up BOTH Tatum + Brown, as well as Kings Pick for Kawhi. Love him, think he's an underrated Top-10 player in this league (when healthy), but now there's a bit of injury risk too, and that's overall a very hefty package (esp. with Kings Pick likely to land Top-5 next year). It probably also allows us to keep Smart with Bird Rights while Rozier is the odd man out in the guard group (via trade).

Now SAS may not like it, and they may get better offers elsewhere, but this idea is the "basis" of what the C's could offer, unless Ainge goes crazy  :P

Tatum + Brown can only go for AD, otherwise don't touch it.
Leonard is better than Davis and unlike Davis, Boston would actually be getting a wing back in return. 

Yeah I love Kawhi but I disagree. AD is also one of the top defenders in the league and is just 24 y/o. Easily a top-5 talent in this league. I get that Kawhi has the championship pedigree, but he's also had better coaching and better system around him (which isn't a knock at Kawhi, but Davis hasn't had that in his career if we're being frank).

Pelicans finally seemed to have something going with Cousins, Rondo, etc., but Cousins' injury changes a lot now, possibly even for next year.
Kawhi Leonard is a top 5 player in this league.  Anthony Davis is not.  Leonard is 26 and has been the Defensive Player of the Year twice.  Davis has never been the DPOY.  Leonard has 2 top 3 MVP finishes.  Davis has 0.  Leonard has 3 First Team All Defense teams.  Davis has 0.

Leonard is a little over 1.5 years older (Davis turns 25 in a few weeks) and has been in the league a year longer, but neither of those is a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

I love Davis and would absolutely trade both Tatum and Brown for him.  I would just trade them both for Leonard as well, as Leonard is better than Davis (assuming he is healthy of course).

Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #73 on: February 22, 2018, 12:43:37 PM »

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I live in San Antonio and people here are freaking out over this. Can't say I feel bad for them though. San Antonio fans have literally known nothing but success for the past 20+ years in basketball terms.

Being a Boston fan, we deal with drama all the time! Feels good to see the fans squirm a little bit.

All that being said, I love Kahwi Leonard but I don't think the Celtics should mortgage the future for him. He's great when healthy but it sounds like his quad injury could be a chronic problem down the line. I'm not sure that he will bounce back from this and be the same player.

Re: Trade for Kawhi?
« Reply #74 on: February 22, 2018, 12:48:00 PM »

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I would want assurances that his quad injury is not something that would drag him for the rest of his career, but yes, absolutely yes.

I would go as far to say as I would trade Jayson Tatum for him. Kawhi Leonard is a special player, and when that kind of player becomes available, you don't think twice. 
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