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My wishlist for Danny Ainge was to get a 2nd pick for unloading Abdel Nader and filling up 2 roster spots with :

- A vet deadly sharpshooter who can curl around multiple screens, square up and raise to knockdown a 3 pt shoot at a high accuracy level... (A la ray allen, korver, reddick, etc.)

- A skilled low post scorer you can get you a bucket during offemsive drought, can rebound and is not a liability at the free throw line...

I find myself extremely happy with the Jarell Eddie signing!! Not only he is a deadly sharpshooter who can run through screens, square up and knock down the 3 with a quick trigger but also he is younger than the profile i was initially looking for. Which means he can be integrated into our defensive principles and with his size and length can switch and defend multiple positions. Basically, he wont be a defensive liability. I hope we keep him for the playoff run.

All i need now is for Greg Monroe to ask for a buyout and come to the celtics to complete the last missing element of our improved offense.

With Monroe and Eddie, Kyrie's assist number will skyrocket and our bench will be scoring at a high level.
I got a strong beleive Hayward will be back for the playoffs!
We could dream of banner 18 this year if we can maintain our defensive ability, add that deadly 3pt shooting and that skilled low post scoring amd add Hayward!!!

Here is my playoff roster :

Kyrie - Brown - Tatum - Horford - Theis
Rozier - Smart - Eddie - Morris - Monroe
Larkin - (Hayward) - Semi - Yabusele - Baynes

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I think you are seriously over evaluating just how good Eddie is and what he will privide to this team. Dude is on a 10 day contract and can't even score 20PPG in the G league. I question whether Danny will even give him a 2nd 10 day contract. Especially since he will probably see less playing time than Nader.

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Ouch, OP has drogged Baynes right outta the line-up. 
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A 2nd round pick for Nader? I think not....

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I'm not sure what's more exciting, his 30.2% lifetime 3pt% or his -4.0 career DBPM.

He's a terror on both ends...just not in the way you would want.


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D or G league success is not a good predictor of NBA shooting just ask James Young.

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I'm not sure what's more exciting, his 30.2% lifetime 3pt% or his -4.0 career DBPM.

He's a terror on both ends...just not in the way you would want.

You can't quantify a man's accomplishments.  Jarell Eddie stands among the best Hokies in hoops history.
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Im looking at a specific skill set we currently dont have on our roster...
Now if you tell me you can go get Klay Thompson away from the warriors then i say yes definitely!
Otherwise you deal with what you can get.
Was looking at options like Bellinelli (fit our defense?) or Matthews (mobile enough offensively?)  but not sure they will be available...

That skill set he is showing in the Dleague can translate...
Obviously i woukd trust Danny's evaluation more than those stats..
You could look at his highlight and decide if you beleive he is closer to that 20% from 3 or to the 50% he is currently averaging...

Last game I saw a team with a below average offense that didnt have one guy you coukd rely on to run through screens and knock down a 3...
Im glad Danny is trying to help and i still beleive Jarell is ready to show us he will be the best shooter on the roster

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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).

This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.

A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g

I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.

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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).

This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.

A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g

I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.

Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.

In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html

So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.

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That skill set he is showing in the Dleague can translate..

This very funny, you should do standup.   Did Mickey's skills translate from the D league?   What about Nader?   Putting up stats in the D/G league does not always mean they will translate to the NBA.

Every year we get a Chris Babb type and guys on the blog go bonkers for him.   Most of the time it does not work out.   I hope I am wrong but saying stuff like the above just shows that you don't pay much attention once a guy in the G league comes up and plays in the NBA.

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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).

This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.

A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g

I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.

You sure you not backing him up cause your name is also Eddie? ^^;

Just kidding.

I was very high on Eddie when we invited him in 2014, and still am. He's a good player who can shoot, and if you take his weaknesses and allow the roster to make up for it. You have a guy who over time in the right system can shoot the 3 at a respectable rates and kill corner 3s.

Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).

This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.

A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g

I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.

Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.

In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html

So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.

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That skill set he is showing in the Dleague can translate..

This very funny, you should do standup.   Did Mickey's skills translate from the D league?   What about Nader?   Putting up stats in the D/G league does not always mean they will translate to the NBA.

Every year we get a Chris Babb type and guys on the blog go bonkers for him.   Most of the time it does not work out.   I hope I am wrong but saying stuff like the above just shows that you don't pay much attention once a guy in the G league comes up and plays in the NBA.
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Whoa there's he isn't proclaiming him the next Stephen Curry. He's just saying don't be surprised if he does do well. A player like him fits Stevens system pretty well. I hope for the best and if it doesn't work out, oh well. On to the next one.
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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).

This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.

A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g

I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.

Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.

In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html

So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.

The sample size is small and 26 of those 31 games were back in the 15-16 season. I don't disagree that players on this level are more athletic and close out quicker, but Semi and Nader are missing wide open shots, not just the contested ones. I could see him shooing those same open shots at a higher rate.

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Doing a little research he probably is a pretty good shooter. In 110 career G-League games he's shot 44.9 from 3's on a large volume of shots (692 total 3's taken). In addition, his FT shooting, which is another good way to measure how good a shooter is, is also very high 94.7% this year, 88.8% over his G-League career (232 attempts).

This year he's shooting a blistering 14 for 21 from corner 3's. This is especially important because we simply need a bench wing player to keep defenses honest and create spacing, while a large majority of these wide open 3's come from the corners. Compare his shooting to Semi, who's majority of 3's (66%) have been in the wide open variety (defined as the closest defender being 6 feet or more away), yet he's only shot 28.6% in this wide open variety. Nader, on a smaller sample size of wide open 3's (34%), has been equally awful shooting just 26.7%.

A look at Eddie's good form/quick release during the 3pt shooting contest-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b85Q0Uxh07g

I disagree with the OP that we will use him shooting off of screens, curls, etc. There is pretty much no way that the team will be having plays designed to get him open. Instead they'll place him in the weakside corner, like they often do with Semi and Nader, and hope he creates spacing and hits the stand still open 3 at a high rate when called upon. If he does that and is at least decent defensively, then he'll likely get some minutes. Who knows maybe in time he turns into Wayne Ellington. That seems like a reasonable ceiling.

Please look at he has done against NBA defenders who close out better, have more athletic ability to cover shooters and good size.

In 31 NBA games he has shot .25% from the three. and 31% from the field with an eFG of .42%

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/eddieja01.html

So before the eternal hope anoints him, he has not demonstrated this skill at an NBA level.

The sample size is small and 26 of those 31 games were back in the 15-16 season. I don't disagree that players on this level are more athletic and close out quicker, but Semi and Nader are missing wide open shots, not just the contested ones. I could see him shooing those same open shots at a higher rate.

You wonder why a guy like that hasn’t gone to Europe. G League pays peanuts; couldn’t he make a lot more money over there?