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Cavs pursuing George Hill
« on: January 19, 2018, 05:04:12 PM »

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Re: Cavs pursuing George Hill
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2018, 05:10:55 PM »

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html

Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3. 

I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...

Re: Cavs pursuing George Hill
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2018, 05:31:00 PM »

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html

Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3. 

I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...

They can't trade their 2018 1st round pick because they already owe their 2019 pick to Atlanta. The Stepien Rule prevents teams from trading consecutive future 1sts.

They also don't have any second-rounders till 2020.

And all of their matching contracts are toxic/long.

So it's going to be very tough to match values here.

Maybe they expand the trade and include the Brooklyn pick, and Sacto throws in Randolph and one of their young players?

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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2018, 05:38:26 PM »

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html

Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3. 

I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...

They can't trade their 2018 1st round pick because they already owe their 2019 pick to Atlanta. The Stepien Rule prevents teams from trading consecutive future 1sts.

They also don't have any second-rounders till 2020.

And all of their matching contracts are toxic/long.

So it's going to be very tough to match values here.

Maybe they expand the trade and include the Brooklyn pick, and Sacto throws in Randolph and one of their young players?

Didn't know that about their pick, that makes things even gloomier.

Yea Smith's contract is awful and he is 14 million next year plus 4 million guaranteed the next year after that (Thanks Lebron). Smith is also terrible and probably the last guy you want around a bunch of young players. Shumpert has an 11 million dollar option for next year that he would be insane to not pick up, so that is kind of ugly too. Thompson's is the worst of the bunch with 37 million owed over the next two years to a guy playing 20 minutes a game for a team desperate for front court bodies. What a mess. Pretty impossible for them to make any trade without the Brooklyn pick.

Re: Cavs pursuing George Hill
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2018, 05:40:56 PM »

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html

Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3. 

I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...

They can't trade their 2018 1st round pick because they already owe their 2019 pick to Atlanta. The Stepien Rule prevents teams from trading consecutive future 1sts.

They also don't have any second-rounders till 2020.

And all of their matching contracts are toxic/long.

So it's going to be very tough to match values here.

Maybe they expand the trade and include the Brooklyn pick, and Sacto throws in Randolph and one of their young players?

They have to keep at least one first round pick. This means they can trade the Brooklyn pick ór their own pick, but not both.

So they can trade the Cleveland first pick if they want to. It just means that they can't trade the Brooklyn pick afterwards (unless they'd get a first rounder back for this year).
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Re: Cavs pursuing George Hill
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2018, 05:47:08 PM »

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-cavs-expressing-interest-deal-kings-guard-george-hill-212652384.html

Are they dumping Jr Smith? What would they have that would interest Kings besides Brooklyn pick (which I am assuming is not involved since it would be a ridiculous overpay) They have no promising young guys and their own first rounder is probably gonna be mid 20's. Even if they get him he would be their 3rd most important guard behind IT and Wade so can't really think this moves the needle much even though he shoots very good from 3. 

I guess this also goes to show what they think of Rose...

They can't trade their 2018 1st round pick because they already owe their 2019 pick to Atlanta. The Stepien Rule prevents teams from trading consecutive future 1sts.

They also don't have any second-rounders till 2020.

And all of their matching contracts are toxic/long.

So it's going to be very tough to match values here.

Maybe they expand the trade and include the Brooklyn pick, and Sacto throws in Randolph and one of their young players?

They have to keep at least one first round pick. This means they can trade the Brooklyn pick ór their own pick, but not both.

So they can trade the Cleveland first pick if they want to. It just means that they can't trade the Brooklyn pick afterwards (unless they'd get a first rounder back for this year).

Just to back this up with an actual source, per Larry Coon's CBA FAQ:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q89

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Re: Cavs pursuing George Hill
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2018, 06:51:09 PM »

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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2018, 06:57:16 PM »

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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK

that would be my guess ,  Hill would be better defense and better fit.    Then Sac who are going young can let IT walk this summer for a Brinks truck .....or C's resign him as bench player  ;D

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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2018, 07:14:01 PM »

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The Kings are such a mismanaged team.  They could have had a bunch of cap space next offseason but they stupidly wasted it on Hill and Z-Bo.  Now they are shutting down their veterans and looking to move them.  Unfortunately for them, Z-Bo is probably negative worth and Hill isn't worth much. 

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 09:10:57 PM »

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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.

My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2018, 09:19:51 PM »

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They're trying to trade for DeAndre Jordan and Sweet Lou, too.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 07:14:39 AM »

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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.

My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.

That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?


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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 07:15:51 AM »

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They're trying to trade for DeAndre Jordan and Sweet Lou, too.

What assets do they have to acquire these two? The Brooklyn pick I would guess has to be included.


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Re: Cavs pursuing George Hill
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 08:47:17 AM »

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So IT is heading back to the Kings...JK
no. They want Hill to back up and play with Thomas.

My guess is something like Thompson and Shumpert for Hill and Randolph.

That sounds really exciting for Sacramento. Why would they even consider this?
because George Hill is still owed 40 million after this year and he has been terrible for them.  Randolph is stillness 25 million after this one and isn't worth that either.  Shumpert can opt out this summer bit either way is way cheaper than Randolph.  Thompson is overpaid a bit, but isn't as overpaid as Hill, is younger, and is far more likely to revert back to prior years form.

Put it this way, which team is going to give them anything of greater value than that for those two guys?
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 08:49:14 AM »

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does this really bridge the gap for cleveland or improve their defense?