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Re: McMenanim: Cavs players don't think current roster can compete (Merged)
« Reply #150 on: January 22, 2018, 11:10:52 PM »

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You have James, Wade and their guys in one corner....IT in the other and Love in the third. This team hates each other

Now you see why Kyrie wanted out

Regardless of how it ultimately turns out for us, Kyrie looks very smart for getting himself out of that toxic locker room.
Some of the criticism aimed at him for being a "me first" type player and person for wanting to be traded away from a team with Lebron on it looks pretty lame now.

There's two sides to that.  To be fair, he embraced that persona after the trade. For example, in his interview with Kellerman, he stated that his motivation to leave was his desire to "perfect his craft."  He then responded to questions in a self-centered, childlike way -- with questions, or one word answers -- when asked if he "cared at all" about LeBron potentially having his feelings hurt.  It's easy to see how some thought of him as selfish (even trade demand aside).  That he was arrogant, condescending, and disrespectful throughout the interview just verified that.
That interview looks a lot better given what we have seen coming out of Cleveland. Irving could have unloaded on Lebron and Cleveland. Irving was bombarded with questions about Lebron ans Cleveland and didn't want to answer them. He, in his own weird political way, avoided the questions or said little.

Re: McMenanim: Cavs players don't think current roster can compete (Merged)
« Reply #151 on: January 22, 2018, 11:16:49 PM »

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Re: McMenanim: Cavs players don't think current roster can compete (Merged)
« Reply #152 on: January 22, 2018, 11:19:45 PM »

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The more the Pelicans and Clippers win, the worse for Cleveland.

The only guys that can truly thread the needle for them is DeMarcus Cousins, or a package of DeAndre Jordan + Lou Williams. BUT if the Clippers and Pelicans aren't sellers (which looks likely), then who else is there for CLE to get that could actually thread the needle. Certainly not the George Hill's of the league lol.

Now are the Cavs that desperate that they'd move Isaiah + BKN Pick for Kemba?
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Re: McMenanim: Cavs players don't think current roster can compete (Merged)
« Reply #153 on: January 22, 2018, 11:46:38 PM »

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You have James, Wade and their guys in one corner....IT in the other and Love in the third. This team hates each other

Now you see why Kyrie wanted out

Regardless of how it ultimately turns out for us, Kyrie looks very smart for getting himself out of that toxic locker room.
Some of the criticism aimed at him for being a "me first" type player and person for wanting to be traded away from a team with Lebron on it looks pretty lame now.

There's two sides to that.  To be fair, he embraced that persona after the trade. For example, in his interview with Kellerman, he stated that his motivation to leave was his desire to "perfect his craft."  He then responded to questions in a self-centered, childlike way -- with questions, or one word answers -- when asked if he "cared at all" about LeBron potentially having his feelings hurt.  It's easy to see how some thought of him as selfish (even trade demand aside).  That he was arrogant, condescending, and disrespectful throughout the interview just verified that.
That interview looks a lot better given what we have seen coming out of Cleveland. Irving could have unloaded on Lebron and Cleveland. Irving was bombarded with questions about Lebron ans Cleveland and didn't want to answer them. He, in his own weird political way, avoided the questions or said little.

I thought it was a bad look, and that's not to discount that they're all probably difficult to play with -- LeBron seems brutal, IT brought all his baggage, JR Smith... , Love has been the poor scapegoat.  Lue must have had his hands full.       
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Re: McMenanim: Cavs players don't think current roster can compete (Merged)
« Reply #154 on: January 23, 2018, 06:56:45 AM »

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You have James, Wade and their guys in one corner....IT in the other and Love in the third. This team hates each other

Now you see why Kyrie wanted out

Regardless of how it ultimately turns out for us, Kyrie looks very smart for getting himself out of that toxic locker room.
Some of the criticism aimed at him for being a "me first" type player and person for wanting to be traded away from a team with Lebron on it looks pretty lame now.

There's two sides to that.  To be fair, he embraced that persona after the trade. For example, in his interview with Kellerman, he stated that his motivation to leave was his desire to "perfect his craft."  He then responded to questions in a self-centered, childlike way -- with questions, or one word answers -- when asked if he "cared at all" about LeBron potentially having his feelings hurt.  It's easy to see how some thought of him as selfish (even trade demand aside).  That he was arrogant, condescending, and disrespectful throughout the interview just verified that.
That interview looks a lot better given what we have seen coming out of Cleveland. Irving could have unloaded on Lebron and Cleveland. Irving was bombarded with questions about Lebron ans Cleveland and didn't want to answer them. He, in his own weird political way, avoided the questions or said little.
I'm fully on board with that point-of-view.  He said less, and that's always a good thing if you are treading through questions designed to put you on the spot.

Top players in this league have a lot of power and generally control where they play -- James, Durant, Paul, Irving. 

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« Reply #155 on: January 23, 2018, 10:18:13 AM »

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Checking out the Cavs blog . Many of them think IT is Wojís source .

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« Reply #156 on: January 23, 2018, 03:08:50 PM »

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Kevin love might get snubbed as an all star. He never complains. Being treated like a joke by players. He needs to ask out

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« Reply #157 on: January 23, 2018, 03:26:36 PM »

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 Cleveland Cavaliers coach Tyronn Lue says the Cavs' explosive team meeting before Monday's practice needs to result in better play on the court or else it will amount to meaningless talk.

"I don't know if it was needed, but now we got to do something about it," Lue said at Cleveland's shootaround Tuesday morning in preparation for the San Antonio Spurs. "Do a lot of talking, but we got to play better. We got to execute better offensively. We got to execute better defensively. We got to be better collectively.

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« Reply #158 on: January 23, 2018, 05:53:20 PM »

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Wow, it was IT that called out Love? What the? why? this makes no sense...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248700/Isaiah-Thomas-Took-Lead-Calling-Out-Kevin-Love-During-Cavs-Meeting

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« Reply #159 on: January 23, 2018, 06:19:30 PM »

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Wow, it was IT that called out Love? What the? why? this makes no sense...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/248700/Isaiah-Thomas-Took-Lead-Calling-Out-Kevin-Love-During-Cavs-Meeting


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Re: McMenanim: Cavs players don't think current roster can compete (Merged)
« Reply #160 on: January 25, 2018, 01:09:49 PM »

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Ty Lue says Tristan Thompson will start at center, Kevin Love goes back to the 4 and Jae Crowder will come off the bench.

https://twitter.com/JasonLloydNBA/status/956585467427815430


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« Reply #161 on: January 25, 2018, 01:17:10 PM »

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Ty Lue says Tristan Thompson will start at center, Kevin Love goes back to the 4 and Jae Crowder will come off the bench.

https://twitter.com/JasonLloydNBA/status/956585467427815430

That may help them. Same lineup as last season with IT instead of Kyrie. This is what I thought would be the lineup from the moment IT was healthy enough. I always thought Jae would be LBJs backup.
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« Reply #162 on: January 25, 2018, 01:19:43 PM »

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Ty Lue says Tristan Thompson will start at center, Kevin Love goes back to the 4 and Jae Crowder will come off the bench.

https://twitter.com/JasonLloydNBA/status/956585467427815430

That may help them. Same lineup as last season with IT instead of Kyrie. This is what I thought would be the lineup from the moment IT was healthy enough. I always thought Jae would be LBJs backup.

I think this has a shot at working, but I also am really questioning whether TT is not focused on basetball living the Kardashian life. His advanced stats were terrible pre-injury

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« Reply #163 on: January 25, 2018, 01:30:30 PM »

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Ty Lue says Tristan Thompson will start at center, Kevin Love goes back to the 4 and Jae Crowder will come off the bench.

https://twitter.com/JasonLloydNBA/status/956585467427815430

That may help them. Same lineup as last season with IT instead of Kyrie. This is what I thought would be the lineup from the moment IT was healthy enough. I always thought Jae would be LBJs backup.

I think this has a shot at working, but I also am really questioning whether TT is not focused on basetball living the Kardashian life. His advanced stats were terrible pre-injury
His rates/percentages are all about the same as last year. 

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« Reply #164 on: January 25, 2018, 01:34:49 PM »

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My guess, and yes, its pure speculation, is that IT is focused on getting his stats first and foremost, to maximize his chances at a big contract this summer. In turn, the Cavs defense is nowhere near as good at covering his defensive liabilities, and when teammates call him out on it he throws others under the bus by saying the team worked harder at defense in Boston. Well yeah, but the defense in Boston was also designed to hide his lack of ability.