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I rarely reply to these Trump things, but this takes the cake, I have to. I don't care if you support him or not, there is NO defense for making statements like this.
Quote from: Yoki_IsTheName on January 11, 2018, 08:30:55 PMI rarely reply to these Trump things, but this takes the cake, I have to. I don't care if you support him or not, there is NO defense for making statements like this.Same, that's why I had to come in and see who could possibly be defending it and what arguments they were using. Didn't disappoint.
In case anyone wondered, the WH is not denying he said that.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42656433
Quote from: Snakehead on January 11, 2018, 08:34:03 PMQuote from: Yoki_IsTheName on January 11, 2018, 08:30:55 PMI rarely reply to these Trump things, but this takes the cake, I have to. I don't care if you support him or not, there is NO defense for making statements like this.Same, that's why I had to come in and see who could possibly be defending it and what arguments they were using. Didn't disappoint.It's not even about politics for me at this point, it's just about character. Out of all the words he could have used, that is the one he picked? We can agree or disagree with Presidents and their policies, but I think we can all agree that Presidents should hold a high character, and this isn't the case.
I think it's unfortunate that people still think that immigrants are smooching off the system. They make all this effort to come to the US to live on bare minimum on welfare? New immigrants do live on bare minimum but that's so they can make enough to invest on the country. As a former immigrant, my parents came and worked hard. At that time, my dad rode a bike given to him and could barely afford a $300 car. 20+ years later, they've bought a house, sent 3 kids to college, bought cars and invested tremendously in the country. Isn't this the kind of people we want in our country? People that are moving up in social class and investing in the country? They pay their taxes, they buy from both big store and small store, they keep the economy running.I work at a nonprofit now and live well thanks to them. I believe I am a goods member of society. I do work in the community that helps people stay active which in turn, reduces the cost of health care. I may not have a big salary or be highly educated (I did go to college but don't have a masters or doctorate). I have worked at uber and talked to these highly educated people and they're not looking to invest in the country. They're looking to work and investing in their country.I just think that by looking mainly at where they're coming from and not at what they're bringing to the table is a very short sighted way of looking at things. The work effort and determination that many immigrants have are what keeps struggling cities alive.Ps. I don't want to hear anything about taking away jobs. I grew up on the Cape and we never relied on welfare, especially in the winter. I know many people that happily work in the summer and collect unemployment in the winter. Besides, the mechanism prevents immigrants from doing that anyway since you have to have some legal documents to gain those benefits.
From some of the responses here it looks like the narrative being pushed to excuse yet another display of bigoted ignorance by the President of the United States is "it's actually about skills/merit-based immigration"Problem is, dude said he preferred immigrants from places like Norway. Being from Norway or demographically similar places is not a skill. And it's only a merit from one specific set of perspectives. Guess what we call those.
Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions.
So much of this presidency thus far is Trump saying some off-the-wall ish, and everybody trying to justify and rationalize it, as if Trump was cognizant of the data that supported/rationalized whatever he said in the moment he said it.
He probably only said Norway because of the joint news conference he just had with their Prime Minister, and they probably treated him nicely before and after the conference so he wondered why he wasn't talking to more people like that.