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Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2018, 11:26:15 AM »

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I think whoever they take should be NBA ready otherwise he's not going to crack the rotation for years. Kinda why I wanted to trade the first for Evans. They need to look for a Kuzma, Brogdan type of player.

Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2018, 01:55:35 PM »

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I think whoever they take should be NBA ready otherwise he's not going to crack the rotation for years. Kinda why I wanted to trade the first for Evans. They need to look for a Kuzma, Brogdan type of player.
Jalen Brunson, 'Nova; Bonzie Colson, NDame (weird kind of player for his height) and Shake Milton, SMU, fit the bill as well as about 6 or 7 others. You may get your wish if someone (like Gary Trent) doesn't fall through the cracks.

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« Reply #47 on: February 13, 2018, 02:11:11 PM »

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I think whoever they take should be NBA ready otherwise he's not going to crack the rotation for years. Kinda why I wanted to trade the first for Evans. They need to look for a Kuzma, Brogdan type of player.
Jalen Brunson, 'Nova; Bonzie Colson, NDame (weird kind of player for his height) and Shake Milton, SMU, fit the bill as well as about 6 or 7 others. You may get your wish if someone (like Gary Trent) doesn't fall through the cracks.

nbadraftroom identifies Kostja Mushidi as a potential Brogdon type.  And his profile there makes him sound like a very desirable player, especially if we can't hold onto Smart.  I think he'll be gone by the Celtics pick.

Meanwhile, Shake Milton is a baseball player's name.  Obviously no one informed him of that.

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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2018, 02:14:51 PM »

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I think whoever they take should be NBA ready otherwise he's not going to crack the rotation for years. Kinda why I wanted to trade the first for Evans. They need to look for a Kuzma, Brogdan type of player.
Jalen Brunson, 'Nova; Bonzie Colson, NDame (weird kind of player for his height) and Shake Milton, SMU, fit the bill as well as about 6 or 7 others. You may get your wish if someone (like Gary Trent) doesn't fall through the cracks.

nbadraftroom identifies Kostja Mushidi as a potential Brogdon type.  And his profile there makes him sound like a very desirable player, especially if we can't hold onto Smart.  I think he'll be gone by the Celtics pick.

Meanwhile, Shake Milton is a baseball player's name.  Obviously no one informed him of that.

That's a real dilemma. I do like the name Shake Milton for any type of athlete, but it's hard to give up the unintentional humor of Tommy trying to pronounce Kostja Mushidi.

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Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2018, 02:22:36 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
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Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2018, 02:57:00 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.
2018 Mock Trade Deadline:

Pelicans: Davis, Holiday, Vucevic, Rondo, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, Moore, Ilyasova, Ajinca, Hill, Miller, Jackson, Dotson, Dakari Johnson

Warriors:  KD, Steph, Klay, Draymomd, Iggy, Zaza, Young, Livingston, McGee, West, McCaw, Jones, Casspi, Jones, Looney

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Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2018, 03:04:30 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?

Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2018, 03:07:03 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?

It does, but it doesnít seem like that process is moving very quickly.
2018 Mock Trade Deadline:

Pelicans: Davis, Holiday, Vucevic, Rondo, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, Moore, Ilyasova, Ajinca, Hill, Miller, Jackson, Dotson, Dakari Johnson

Warriors:  KD, Steph, Klay, Draymomd, Iggy, Zaza, Young, Livingston, McGee, West, McCaw, Jones, Casspi, Jones, Looney

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« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2018, 03:10:29 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.

Thanks.  I've been unable to find that info anywhere.  That's a solid class based on how guys like John Collins, Jarrett Allen, Anunoby, Kuzma, Hart, etc. have looked so far. 
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Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2018, 03:19:44 PM »

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As youth coaching starts earlier, improves and proliferates, we are going to see more deeper drafts. Simple numbers. Tatum a good example of a kid who got really good coaching at a very young age, which is why his skill level is so advanced at such a young age. You hear the older pros like Pierce comment about this sometimes.

Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2018, 03:32:44 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.

Thanks.  I've been unable to find that info anywhere.  That's a solid class based on how guys like John Collins, Jarrett Allen, Anunoby, Kuzma, Hart, etc. have looked so far.

Yeah, I've seen multiple recent mocks with players like Keita Bates-Diop and Hamidou Diallo in the late 20s.  Bates-Diop has been talked about a lot in this thread -- he looks like a day one contributor as a four-year college player who brings plus defense and distance shooting.  Diallo is more of a high-upside gamble of a pick, who had a chance to be a 1st round pick last year while skipping college altogether (like Thon Maker) but pulled out of the draft after not being able to get a high enough guarantee.  He's totally a Toronto type of pick, except that they don't have one this year.

There's still risk on who you pick, of course, but that late 1st has a real chance to produce a very good player.
2018 Mock Trade Deadline:

Pelicans: Davis, Holiday, Vucevic, Rondo, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, Moore, Ilyasova, Ajinca, Hill, Miller, Jackson, Dotson, Dakari Johnson

Warriors:  KD, Steph, Klay, Draymomd, Iggy, Zaza, Young, Livingston, McGee, West, McCaw, Jones, Casspi, Jones, Looney

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« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2018, 03:43:36 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.

Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2018, 03:52:46 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.

There are competing proposals.  One version of eliminating the one-and-done rule, that Silver seemed to lean towards in December, would allow high school entry again.  The other would be a two-and-done, which he seemed to favor in the past.  I think the FBI scandal pushed him and some owners towards this newer position, but as that fades from the news, I think consensus won't form around it.  Two-and-done is probably DOA with the union as well, so I don't see that happening.

Allowing players to skip college would steal from the 2020 draft and make the 2019 draft a bit better than it otherwise projects to be.
2018 Mock Trade Deadline:

Pelicans: Davis, Holiday, Vucevic, Rondo, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, Moore, Ilyasova, Ajinca, Hill, Miller, Jackson, Dotson, Dakari Johnson

Warriors:  KD, Steph, Klay, Draymomd, Iggy, Zaza, Young, Livingston, McGee, West, McCaw, Jones, Casspi, Jones, Looney

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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2018, 04:02:27 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.

There are competing proposals.  One version of eliminating the one-and-done rule, that Silver seemed to lean towards in December, would allow high school entry again.  The other would be a two-and-done, which he seemed to favor in the past.  I think the FBI scandal pushed him and some owners towards this newer position, but as that fades from the news, I think consensus won't form around it.  Two-and-done is probably DOA with the union as well, so I don't see that happening.

Allowing players to skip college would steal from the 2020 draft and make the 2019 draft a bit better than it otherwise projects to be.
I read that this seems to be a decision that will come this offseason. Can't remember who wrote the article so not sure how reliable that info is.

Re: An early look at Players Cs could take with late 1st
« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2018, 04:21:17 PM »

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Last year's draft was really deep.  I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it.  Is it still to early to tell?  Any one have insight into this?  Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.

This yearís class is maybe not quite as deep as last yearís but not too far off.  For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, itís about the same.  A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).

Next yearís class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.

There are competing proposals.  One version of eliminating the one-and-done rule, that Silver seemed to lean towards in December, would allow high school entry again.  The other would be a two-and-done, which he seemed to favor in the past.  I think the FBI scandal pushed him and some owners towards this newer position, but as that fades from the news, I think consensus won't form around it.  Two-and-done is probably DOA with the union as well, so I don't see that happening.

Allowing players to skip college would steal from the 2020 draft and make the 2019 draft a bit better than it otherwise projects to be.
I read that this seems to be a decision that will come this offseason. Can't remember who wrote the article so not sure how reliable that info is.

It has to go through union negotation in addition to owner ratification -- if they don't have a proposal out before this upcoming draft, I'd be surprised if it happened in time for 2019.  Because it impacts trades, they don't normally like to change rules of the draft in that league year.

And the main proposal is to allow kids to enter from high school, or require at least two years in college if you go to school.  So how would incoming freshmen, currently eligible in 2019, be affected?  Would they be pushed into 2020?
2018 Mock Trade Deadline:

Pelicans: Davis, Holiday, Vucevic, Rondo, Clarkson, Nance, Hart, Moore, Ilyasova, Ajinca, Hill, Miller, Jackson, Dotson, Dakari Johnson

Warriors:  KD, Steph, Klay, Draymomd, Iggy, Zaza, Young, Livingston, McGee, West, McCaw, Jones, Casspi, Jones, Looney

Google for picks.