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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2018, 06:55:49 PM »

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tough crowd here, it doesnt help though when the two players you compare him to are one that could not shoot or play defense and the other ate himself out of the league.
as for the offense, i think getting hayward back, tatum with more experience, and a good draft pick will change a lot.

33-10 without hayward, and that is not good enough. tough crowd indeed.
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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2018, 07:01:43 PM »

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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2018, 07:56:43 PM »

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Mahcus Smaht........WINNAH!!!!

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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2018, 07:58:35 PM »

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tough crowd here, it doesnt help though when the two players you compare him to are one that could not shoot or play defense and the other ate himself out of the league.
as for the offense, i think getting hayward back, tatum with more experience, and a good draft pick will change a lot.

33-10 without hayward, and that is not good enough. tough crowd indeed.
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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2018, 09:41:01 PM »

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The bottom line is we are 6-2 against the rest of the top-7 teams in basketball. Smart may take some ill-advised shots, but he’s also willing to hoist up last second prayers. I appreciate a guy who really doesn’t care what his FG% is. He’s capable of hitting any shot. He doesn’t take contested shots. He’s a little too erratic at times, but overall I don’t believe he forces too much.

We are also 3-0 against Brooklyn. We didn’t have a Horford last night and the Nets were 10-0 when holding opponents below 100 this year, so our defense was as spectacular as our offense was terrible.

The Celtics may not be the favorites but I wouldn’t count them out against any team. Whenever we get Hayward back, the offense will be significantly better.

I don’t hate the Rozier/Smart backup backcourt. If you can stagger rotations to get Hayward or Horford in with them, they can effectively run the offense.
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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2018, 10:30:53 PM »

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LOL at this thread. You want some clicks

Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2018, 12:59:03 AM »

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He's a lousy shooter, but a quality defender.  He'll most likely be gone after the season's over.  It won't be because he failed.  It'll be because he gets a bigger contract offer from another team.  He'll be missed on the court.

He'll serve as one more reminder, out of oh so many, of why having a punitive salary cap, instead of just a salary floor, sucks.


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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2018, 01:29:47 AM »

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As much as Smart likes to irritate me from time to time, Brad Stevens does the assessing and teaching and Danny Ainge does the execution.

Lol at post.

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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2018, 03:20:43 AM »

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While stats can certainly be very unfavorable to Marcus, I'd like to know who is a better defender than him on our team before he goes. We are planning a deep playoff run this year.
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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2018, 08:09:05 AM »

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tough crowd here, it doesnt help though when the two players you compare him to are one that could not shoot or play defense and the other ate himself out of the league.

Not really, Ogaju. Not only were his comparisons laughable, the only metric he provided to back up his rant was wrong because he doesn't know how to sort a table. If someone is going to throw a player under the bus on a 33-10 team, they might want to back it up with some facts.
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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2018, 08:35:49 AM »

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I don't know how to say this any other way - Smart has blown it. If we resign him, we're going to hamper our offense to the point where I doubt we win a championship while he players more than 15 minutes a game. If we don't, I'd actually be willing to bet he's out of the league in a couple of years because he's just not an NBA-level talent on offense. At this point I wouldn't want him for any amount of money.

I 'll take this bet.   The few years, I will give you three years.   So if he is the league in three years would be the bet.  Now what to make the stake.   Do you want to put your money where your mouth is, because I think three years from now barring death, legal issues or injuries he will be in the league.  By money, I am speaking figuratively, of course because I am sure we have rules against betting cash.

Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2018, 08:48:56 AM »

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The OP has some points. Offensively, Marcus hasn’t really improved. He “is what he is” at this point in all likelihood.  He should be paid with that in mind, rather than on potential.

But, if we can fit him in our budget, he’s an important player.  He’s like a smaller, less efficient version of Andre Iguodala (since he joined the Warriors, anyway). He plays great defense, moves the ball, and is a guy you want in there in the fourth quarter.


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Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2018, 09:03:16 AM »

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Guess people forgetting last year ECF game 3 quickly 8)

Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2018, 09:53:42 AM »

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The OP has some points. Offensively, Marcus hasn’t really improved. He “is what he is” at this point in all likelihood.  He should be paid with that in mind, rather than on potential.

But, if we can fit him in our budget, he’s an important player.  He’s like a smaller, less efficient version of Andre Iguodala (since he joined the Warriors, anyway). He plays great defense, moves the ball, and is a guy you want in there in the fourth quarter.

and less explosive also

8-9 million per season is what i would give Smart.  If he rejects then I would let him walk

He prob got this type of offer from Danny a few months ago.....

He won't be back next season imo

Re: Smart has been given his tryout, and he failed.
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2018, 10:00:35 AM »

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The OP has some points. Offensively, Marcus hasn’t really improved. He “is what he is” at this point in all likelihood.  He should be paid with that in mind, rather than on potential.

But, if we can fit him in our budget, he’s an important player.  He’s like a smaller, less efficient version of Andre Iguodala (since he joined the Warriors, anyway). He plays great defense, moves the ball, and is a guy you want in there in the fourth quarter.

Iguodala is a far better player than Smart and Smart will not be on the floor next year at the end of games unless he's taking Brown's spot. While he moves the ball, he also has the second worst turnover rate on the team to Theis who is well known for having turnover issues.

Smart has the lowest total shooting percentage of anyone in the NBA who has played as many minutes, shoots worse in wins than losses, and shoots worse in the 4th quarter compared to the rest of the game. He also has the worst assist/turnover ratio of the three primary ball-handling guards. His fans really underplay just how bad his shooting woes have been. They also overstate his +/- numbers consistently. He is playing a lot with the starters and there is a clear divide between that group and the rest of the team. He plays a lot with the starters because Morris cannot stay on the court and Smart has more positional versatility than Rozier in a defense that switches constantly.

Smart is a very good defender, but we have many very good defenders this year though none have the grit he does. Right now, Rozier has passed him overall as a player and even has a better defensive rating although that is a suspect stat. With Hayward coming back, I do not see how we keep Smart assuming the player FA market is not frozen because of severe league-wide cap constraints.

That being said, I do not agree with the OP either. Smart has improved recently and has half a season and the playoffs to go. He is among the top 10 bench players, as is Rozier, for minutes played and I am sure the audition is not over. Anything is possible, especially if the price is right.


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