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Who should the C's draft if they land 4th? (no Doncic, Ayton or Bagley)

Bamba
Porter Jr.
Trae Young
Jaren Jackson Jr.
Collin Sexton
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Re: With the 4th Pick in the 2018 Draft, the Celtics select...
« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2018, 07:53:00 PM »

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My vote's for Bamba.

In the short term you could bring him along slowly to develop under Horford's wing. Much less disruptive to our rotation than Porter Jr would be and could valuable in matching size against some of the bigger teams out there like Detroit, Philly, and even Toronto.

In the long term I believe in the talent. A fully developed Bamba in contention for best defensive big in basketball. Give him a few seasons under professor Horford's wing, lock him in the gym shooting 3's in the off-season and you might just come out with the type of Monster that makes us a matchup nightmare against most teams and allows Kyrie, Tatum, and Hayward to feast knowing the defense is covered.

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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2018, 08:44:09 PM »

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trade for a star.

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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2018, 08:51:20 PM »

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What do people think of Trae Young?  Heís putting up pretty impressive numbers 30 PPG and 10 APG. Seems Curry like.  Not a need for us but you should always try to draft the BPA.  Maybe you could even trade down a couple spots for him, and be Irvingís understudy for some years.

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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2018, 09:08:35 PM »

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What do people think of Trae Young?  Heís putting up pretty impressive numbers 30 PPG and 10 APG. Seems Curry like.  Not a need for us but you should always try to draft the BPA.  Maybe you could even trade down a couple spots for him, and be Irvingís understudy for some years.



 He's putting up never, ever done before numbers. Best college season I have ever seen, Maybe Durant was better thats it. Hes twice the passer Lonzo Ball was last year and is scoring 4 more points per game than Durants 26ppg.

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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2018, 09:19:09 PM »

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What do people think of Trae Young?  Heís putting up pretty impressive numbers 30 PPG and 10 APG. Seems Curry like.  Not a need for us but you should always try to draft the BPA.  Maybe you could even trade down a couple spots for him, and be Irvingís understudy for some years.



 He's putting up never, ever done before numbers. Best college season I have ever seen, Maybe Durant was better thats it. Hes twice the passer Lonzo Ball was last year and is scoring 4 more points per game than Durants 26ppg.
Man, you're really getting ahead of yourself. Never before seen numbers??? What are you talking about? Even in the 3 point era Shaq had more gaudy numbers as a starter. Michael Beasley wasn't far off either.

I'm not sure why you think his passing is so amazing either. I'm not a Lonzo fan by any means, but many of Young's assists are pretty simple drive and kick threes - not some amazing display of playmaking

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« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2018, 09:24:47 PM »

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What do people think of Trae Young?  Heís putting up pretty impressive numbers 30 PPG and 10 APG. Seems Curry like.  Not a need for us but you should always try to draft the BPA.  Maybe you could even trade down a couple spots for him, and be Irvingís understudy for some years.

He scares me because heíll likely never even be an average defender.  The tools just arenít there, and he also doesnít put in the effort (might also be a side effect of his high usage rate on offense).  Everybody has a good PG nowadays, and I go down the list of starting guards and struggle to pick out many names that I think this guy can handle defensively.  He has to be a heck of an offensive player to be a net positive for his team.

That said, he very well might be. Not sure how well heíll finish inside against NBA length, but his passing and shooting are legit and should translate.  High risk, high reward guy.  Glad Iím not the GM having to make a decision on him.

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« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2018, 09:46:12 PM »

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I think Porter will be long gone, but that's who I'd take, even if he's a bit redundant with Tatum and Brown. He's the BPA, in my opinion.
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« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2018, 09:50:19 PM »

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I think Porter will be long gone, but that's who I'd take, even if he's a bit redundant with Tatum and Brown. He's the BPA, in my opinion.
Porter is going to stay another year at Mizzou mostly because he will need a show me year to get that #1 pick status and paycheck. He's a big risk healthwise and could drop quite a way since its a back injury.

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« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2018, 09:58:06 PM »

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I think Porter will be long gone, but that's who I'd take, even if he's a bit redundant with Tatum and Brown. He's the BPA, in my opinion.
Porter is going to stay another year at Mizzou mostly because he will need a show me year to get that #1 pick status and paycheck. He's a big risk healthwise and could drop quite a way since its a back injury.

I agree. And the fact that his dad is there and his brother reclassified to be there also are factors to keep him there.

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« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2018, 10:02:36 PM »

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Tatum isn't really that much of an outlier when it comes to top 3 prospects. 


Tatum is top 5 in the 3 point era among rookies age 20 or younger in terms of WS/48.

He's an extreme outlier.

His rookie season so far is up there with all-time greats in terms of contributing to wins for a good team. 


Top Rookie 20 years old or younger since 1981 (3 point era), minimum 20 games, 18 mpg, by WS/48:

1. Nikola Jokic, age 20
2. Jayson Tatum, age 19
3. Magic Johnson, age 20
4. Chris Paul, age 20
5. Andre Drummond, age 19


Note that Win Shares per 48 is heavily weighted toward big men, so Jokic & Drummond are probably a bit overrated on this list.

The most recent player comparable to Tatum who had an impact on winning like this is Kawhi Leonard in 2012, and he was only playing 20 minutes a night, whereas Tatum is playing 31 a night.


Kawhi, Magic, Chris Paul .... that's super elite company when we're talking about rookie season impact.
winshares are pretty meaningless stat unless you think Jordan Bell is significantly better than Tatum.  They also generally require a team to win and most of the time top tier rookies aren't on winning teams.

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« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2018, 10:18:13 PM »

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Tatum isn't really that much of an outlier when it comes to top 3 prospects. 


Tatum is top 5 in the 3 point era among rookies age 20 or younger in terms of WS/48.

He's an extreme outlier.

His rookie season so far is up there with all-time greats in terms of contributing to wins for a good team. 


Top Rookie 20 years old or younger since 1981 (3 point era), minimum 20 games, 18 mpg, by WS/48:

1. Nikola Jokic, age 20
2. Jayson Tatum, age 19
3. Magic Johnson, age 20
4. Chris Paul, age 20
5. Andre Drummond, age 19


Note that Win Shares per 48 is heavily weighted toward big men, so Jokic & Drummond are probably a bit overrated on this list.

The most recent player comparable to Tatum who had an impact on winning like this is Kawhi Leonard in 2012, and he was only playing 20 minutes a night, whereas Tatum is playing 31 a night.


Kawhi, Magic, Chris Paul .... that's super elite company when we're talking about rookie season impact.
winshares are pretty meaningless stat unless you think Jordan Bell is significantly better than Tatum.  They also generally require a team to win and most of the time top tier rookies aren't on winning teams.
I don't think Win Shares and especially WS/48 are meaningless stats. You have to show that you stats are directly correlated with your team's ability to win. Yes, its a bit noisy stat that especially favors big guys who score in the paint and can rebound. But Tatum isn't a big guy and his .188WS/48 is ridiculously impressive for a rookie. He is not an outlier because of short MPG. He is playing 30MPG on a contender and is a major reason why. Taken into context, that stat tells a lot about just how good and special Tatum has been this year.

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« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2018, 10:20:35 PM »

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I think Porter will be long gone, but that's who I'd take, even if he's a bit redundant with Tatum and Brown. He's the BPA, in my opinion.
Porter is going to stay another year at Mizzou mostly because he will need a show me year to get that #1 pick status and paycheck. He's a big risk healthwise and could drop quite a way since its a back injury.

Hmm... It would take a lot to turn down a top 5 pick. I guess family would be the reason.

I think of guys like Harry Giles. Not a great comparison, but many thought he was a top 2 pick. Again, I know his injury past was nothing like Porter's, but I can't imagine turning down a great draft position to go back to school.

Porter might help out his dad more by being a top 5 pick over coming back and potentially falling.

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« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2018, 10:27:25 PM »

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My top 5 for the Celtics:

1) Ayton
2) Bagley
3) Porter
4) Bamba
5) T. Young

Re: With the 4th Pick in the 2018 Draft, the Celtics select...
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2018, 06:33:16 AM »

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Tatum isn't really that much of an outlier when it comes to top 3 prospects. 


Tatum is top 5 in the 3 point era among rookies age 20 or younger in terms of WS/48.

He's an extreme outlier.

His rookie season so far is up there with all-time greats in terms of contributing to wins for a good team. 


Top Rookie 20 years old or younger since 1981 (3 point era), minimum 20 games, 18 mpg, by WS/48:

1. Nikola Jokic, age 20
2. Jayson Tatum, age 19
3. Magic Johnson, age 20
4. Chris Paul, age 20
5. Andre Drummond, age 19


Note that Win Shares per 48 is heavily weighted toward big men, so Jokic & Drummond are probably a bit overrated on this list.

The most recent player comparable to Tatum who had an impact on winning like this is Kawhi Leonard in 2012, and he was only playing 20 minutes a night, whereas Tatum is playing 31 a night.


Kawhi, Magic, Chris Paul .... that's super elite company when we're talking about rookie season impact.
winshares are pretty meaningless stat unless you think Jordan Bell is significantly better than Tatum.  They also generally require a team to win and most of the time top tier rookies aren't on winning teams.
I don't think Win Shares and especially WS/48 are meaningless stats. You have to show that you stats are directly correlated with your team's ability to win. Yes, its a bit noisy stat that especially favors big guys who score in the paint and can rebound. But Tatum isn't a big guy and his .188WS/48 is ridiculously impressive for a rookie. He is not an outlier because of short MPG. He is playing 30MPG on a contender and is a major reason why. Taken into context, that stat tells a lot about just how good and special Tatum has been this year.
it is the contender part though.  Any stat that shows Tatum has a better rookie year than someone like Shaq is a misleading stat.  Shaq averaged 23, 14, and 3.5 blocks and caused the Magic to have a 20 win better season, yet WS/48 say Tatum is better with a greater impact on wins.  It is a meaningless stat in that context.  Tatum has had an incredible shooting season, no question about it but 14 ppg with 5.6 rpg isn't some crazy season for a rookie.
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« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2018, 07:40:17 AM »

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I think Porter will be long gone, but that's who I'd take, even if he's a bit redundant with Tatum and Brown. He's the BPA, in my opinion.
Porter is going to stay another year at Mizzou mostly because he will need a show me year to get that #1 pick status and paycheck. He's a big risk healthwise and could drop quite a way since its a back injury.

Hmm... It would take a lot to turn down a top 5 pick. I guess family would be the reason.

I think of guys like Harry Giles. Not a great comparison, but many thought he was a top 2 pick. Again, I know his injury past was nothing like Porter's, but I can't imagine turning down a great draft position to go back to school.

Porter might help out his dad more by being a top 5 pick over coming back and potentially falling.
Yeah I don't buy it I think he still comes out this year, he was supposed to be fully healthy within 3-4 months so plenty of time to show he's healthy at workouts pre draft. He will still be a top 3 pick when all is said and done I believe, not like staying another year and getting picked a spot or two higher will let him make more money in the short or long term, lose a full year of salary next year and be a full year later before he is off the rookie scale just doesn't make sense.