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Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2017, 10:07:56 PM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler. 

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.

Interesting take.  Couldnít disagree more. 

Smart constantly making plays.  Covers 5 positions, and contrary to your stats, makes hockey assist passes too. 

You do realize not _every_ pass he makes results in a shot?  That 25% stat you came up with is fairly bogus.

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2017, 10:19:30 PM »

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His 27.9 assist ratio is a career high, and when you look at his offensive numbers with passing Smart jumps from the 7th percentile to the 51st. Smart has a career-high usage rate, and the problem with that is it has led to a career-high turnover ratio at 14.
 
This is a take the good with the bad scenarios. Stevens will live with some Smart turnovers because he knows he will make some great passes as well. Here is the number that sums it up. Smarts assist to usage percentage according to Cleaningtheglass.com is 1.10, one of the best marks among all guards. His turnover percentage is 16.8 percent, one of the worst marks among all guards. But despite the turnovers, Smart always makes the extra pass.

The Celtics are 9.6 points better when MS-36 is on the floor. Smart accounts for 36% of our total assists as a team, so you can make the educated guess and assume Smart's contributions on the floor, via defense, passing, screen-assisting, and intangibles cannot be defined.

I suspect you might be mistaking this figure?

Off Rtg and Def Rtg represents the number of points per 100 possessions a team scores / allows  while a certain player is on the court, so for offensive rating higher is better, for defensive rating lower is better. 

Smart has an offensive rating of 92 and a defensive rating of 103.  That means while Smart is on the court, Boston is scoring 92 points per 100 possessions and allowing 103 points per 100 possessions.  We are being outscored by 11 points per 100 possessions with him on the court.

By comparison Terry Rozier has an offensive rating of 107 and a defensive rating of 102, so boston is outscoring opponents by 5 points per 100 possessions when he is on the court.

Smart's overall real-plus-minus is +0.37 which ranks 22nd among all NBA PG's - barely scraping the top 30.  Rozier's RPM of +1.2 ranks him 15th among PG's.

With the exception of total assists generated, Terry Rozier is outdoing Smart in practically every single statistical category (both advanced and simple) - not only has he been the better player this year, but he's also show far more progression over the years compared to Smart - he is essentially the exact same player he was 4 years ago.

If anything Rozier plays even better when his opportunities are increased, and Marcus Smart is in the way of that because for some irrational reason he always gets gifted the extra minutes when they are available. 

I don't understand the Smart love, and I will be well and truly shocked if Boston offers him a double figure extension after this season given the way he's playing.  He's in the perfect system here because Boston has so many quality shooters that the team can somewhat cover for his horrendous shooting ability - so the version of Smart that we all see right now is the best version anybody will ever see.  If he goes to any other team (with less shooters around him) his career will instantly collapse and he will immediately be demoted to defensive role player off the bench for the rest of his career, since that is effectively the only thing he can do at an exceptionally high level with any kind of consistency.

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2017, 10:25:21 PM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.

Interesting take.  Couldnít disagree more. 

Smart constantly making plays.  Covers 5 positions, and contrary to your stats, makes hockey assist passes too. 

You do realize not _every_ pass he makes results in a shot?  That 25% stat you came up with is fairly bogus.

Covers 5 positions?  Give me a break.  something like 99% of Smart's minutes have come at PG, SG, SF and I don't think I've seen him defend a legit center in my life - nor would I want to.  The guy excels at defending SGs and SFs and the occasional stretch four.  He struggles against PG's due to his lack of quickness. 

Regardless, I don't have a problem with Smart's defense - it's the one thing he does at an exceptional level. 

What I have a problem with is the fact that he is an average passer, a mediocre ball handler, is turnover prone, makes poor decisions with the ball more often then not, and averages 32% FG on 10 attempts a night. 

If Smart simply did not shoot the ball - then I could accept his position on the team as a defensive role player.  But the fact that he forces so many shots when he knows [dang] well that he cannot shoot to save his life (come on bro, it's been four years - like he hasn't worked it out by now?) infuriates me.  He has a great impact on D, but he hurts the team as much on offense as he helps it on defense.  Save for the occasional bit hustle plays (like saves, dives on loose balls, etc) that happen every now and again, he really contributes next to nothing on the offensive end.  He is a worse version of Rajon Rondo on offence - because at least Rondo had an elite ability to get other people involved, and was an excellent finisher at the basket. There isn't a single thing Smart does well on offense, not one.

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2017, 10:45:40 PM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.

Interesting take.  Couldnít disagree more. 

Smart constantly making plays.  Covers 5 positions, and contrary to your stats, makes hockey assist passes too. 

You do realize not _every_ pass he makes results in a shot?  That 25% stat you came up with is fairly bogus.

Covers 5 positions?  Give me a break.  something like 99% of Smart's minutes have come at PG, SG, SF and I don't think I've seen him defend a legit center in my life - nor would I want to.  The guy excels at defending SGs and SFs and the occasional stretch four.  He struggles against PG's due to his lack of quickness. 

Regardless, I don't have a problem with Smart's defense - it's the one thing he does at an exceptional level. 

What I have a problem with is the fact that he is an average passer, a mediocre ball handler, is turnover prone, makes poor decisions with the ball more often then not, and averages 32% FG on 10 attempts a night. 

If Smart simply did not shoot the ball - then I could accept his position on the team as a defensive role player.  But the fact that he forces so many shots when he knows [dang] well that he cannot shoot to save his life (come on bro, it's been four years - like he hasn't worked it out by now?) infuriates me.  He has a great impact on D, but he hurts the team as much on offense as he helps it on defense.  Save for the occasional bit hustle plays (like saves, dives on loose balls, etc) that happen every now and again, he really contributes next to nothing on the offensive end.  He is a worse version of Rajon Rondo on offence - because at least Rondo had an elite ability to get other people involved, and was an excellent finisher at the basket. There isn't a single thing Smart does well on offense, not one.

I get your point. I do feel that Smart should tone it down on offense, and stick to what he knows best. But you can't chalk his turnovers and assist ratio on him entirely; the team lost its second best player, chemistry issues, and the Horford and Smart pick and roll seem promising. I also dread how much of a contract that he's going to eventually wind up with.

The thing is, Stevens is going to play him regardless of how he shoots. I just hope he finally learns how to at least pull it together, and draw fouls. It's beyond me in the fact that Smart has such great lateral quickness exhibited on defense, but just can't even make simple lay ups. Last both games. he's been clearly out matched offensively.
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Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2017, 07:27:41 AM »

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Smart has an offensive rating of 92 and a defensive rating of 103.  That means while Smart is on the court, Boston is scoring 92 points per 100 possessions and allowing 103 points per 100 possessions.  We are being outscored by 11 points per 100 possessions with him on the court.
Are there any stat wizards that can weigh in on this? Basketball reference lists these numbers for Smart but then under "Play-by-Play" stats it shows his +/- as +11.7 which mirrors everything I've read about him. How can his DRtg be higher than his Ortg and this be so? I'm confused.
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Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2017, 10:58:17 AM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.

Here's the problem with that take, with Boston's cap situation it's not like they can get anyone better, and are we really better off just cutting ties with Smart? Probably what the most likely scenario is match any plausible offer and put him on the trade market, assuming the Celtics front office has the same opinion as you do on Smart. It'd be totally negligent to just cut ties with Smart this summer.
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Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2017, 11:53:17 AM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.
Completely agree.  Marcus is horrible in every aspect of offensive basketball except passing, where heís maybe about average.  So people overblowing his play making like itís great when it really isnít.

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2017, 12:19:58 PM »

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Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2017, 01:51:23 PM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.

Interesting take.  Couldnít disagree more. 

Smart constantly making plays.  Covers 5 positions, and contrary to your stats, makes hockey assist passes too. 

You do realize not _every_ pass he makes results in a shot?  That 25% stat you came up with is fairly bogus.

Covers 5 positions?  Give me a break.  something like 99% of Smart's minutes have come at PG, SG, SF and I don't think I've seen him defend a legit center in my life - nor would I want to.  The guy excels at defending SGs and SFs and the occasional stretch four.  He struggles against PG's due to his lack of quickness. 

Regardless, I don't have a problem with Smart's defense - it's the one thing he does at an exceptional level. 

What I have a problem with is the fact that he is an average passer, a mediocre ball handler, is turnover prone, makes poor decisions with the ball more often then not, and averages 32% FG on 10 attempts a night. 

If Smart simply did not shoot the ball - then I could accept his position on the team as a defensive role player.  But the fact that he forces so many shots when he knows [dang] well that he cannot shoot to save his life (come on bro, it's been four years - like he hasn't worked it out by now?) infuriates me.  He has a great impact on D, but he hurts the team as much on offense as he helps it on defense.  Save for the occasional bit hustle plays (like saves, dives on loose balls, etc) that happen every now and again, he really contributes next to nothing on the offensive end.  He is a worse version of Rajon Rondo on offence - because at least Rondo had an elite ability to get other people involved, and was an excellent finisher at the basket. There isn't a single thing Smart does well on offense, not one.
Wow you are really a blow hard. You don't like Smart. We get it.

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2017, 02:32:49 PM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.
Completely agree.  Marcus is horrible in every aspect of offensive basketball except passing, where heís maybe about average.  So people overblowing his play making like itís great when it really isnít.

I don't know, I think Zach Lowe made some good arguments for his passing.

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« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2017, 03:01:07 PM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.

Interesting take.  Couldnít disagree more. 

Smart constantly making plays.  Covers 5 positions, and contrary to your stats, makes hockey assist passes too. 

You do realize not _every_ pass he makes results in a shot?  That 25% stat you came up with is fairly bogus.

Covers 5 positions?  Give me a break.  something like 99% of Smart's minutes have come at PG, SG, SF and I don't think I've seen him defend a legit center in my life - nor would I want to.  The guy excels at defending SGs and SFs and the occasional stretch four.  He struggles against PG's due to his lack of quickness. 

Regardless, I don't have a problem with Smart's defense - it's the one thing he does at an exceptional level. 

What I have a problem with is the fact that he is an average passer, a mediocre ball handler, is turnover prone, makes poor decisions with the ball more often then not, and averages 32% FG on 10 attempts a night. 

If Smart simply did not shoot the ball - then I could accept his position on the team as a defensive role player.  But the fact that he forces so many shots when he knows [dang] well that he cannot shoot to save his life (come on bro, it's been four years - like he hasn't worked it out by now?) infuriates me.  He has a great impact on D, but he hurts the team as much on offense as he helps it on defense.  Save for the occasional bit hustle plays (like saves, dives on loose balls, etc) that happen every now and again, he really contributes next to nothing on the offensive end.  He is a worse version of Rajon Rondo on offence - because at least Rondo had an elite ability to get other people involved, and was an excellent finisher at the basket. There isn't a single thing Smart does well on offense, not one.
Wow you are really a blow hard. You don't like Smart. We get it.
Okay first in my moderator voice:

No name calling or being disrespectful of others.

Second, I don't see where what crimson said is wrong. I think he is pretty spot on in his description of Smart. He is a thoroughly mediocre passer. His decision making, specifically in calling his own number rather than creating for others is poor. His shooting is historically bad. And he is a great defender 1-3 that can guard stretch fours but not prototypical large inside PFs.

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2017, 03:16:25 PM »

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Marcus Smart's passing is the most overrated item on this team.

The man averages a thoroughly mediocre 5.3 assists in 30 minutes (6.2 assists Per 36) versus 2.5 turnovers (3.0 Per 36). 

That means not only are his assist numbers mediocre, but his assist to turnover rate (2.12) is also extremely average.

Smart has registered 147 assists this year, and he's registered 37 turnovers off bad passes.  That essentially indicates that about 25% of his passes are bad passes. 

There is not a single statistic I have ever seen in Marcus Smart's entire career (college or Pro) to suggest he is anything more then an average passer.

I am thoroughly dissapointed by Marcus Smart this year.  So many players on the team have taken such big steps forward, and yet he is the only guy who has shown absolutely zero progress on either end of the floor. His game has not changed at all after four seasons in the league, and I've well and truly given up on investing any more time on him. 

The longer I see him ranking top 5 on the team in field goal attempts while shooting 32% / 29% / 72% the more I grow tired of seeing his face on this roster.  I don't care what anybody says, at this point I have zero interest in Boston re-signing him and would rather see the team move forward with Rozier as their primary backup ball handler.

Interesting take.  Couldnít disagree more. 

Smart constantly making plays.  Covers 5 positions, and contrary to your stats, makes hockey assist passes too. 

You do realize not _every_ pass he makes results in a shot?  That 25% stat you came up with is fairly bogus.

Covers 5 positions?  Give me a break.  something like 99% of Smart's minutes have come at PG, SG, SF and I don't think I've seen him defend a legit center in my life - nor would I want to.  The guy excels at defending SGs and SFs and the occasional stretch four.  He struggles against PG's due to his lack of quickness. 

Regardless, I don't have a problem with Smart's defense - it's the one thing he does at an exceptional level. 

What I have a problem with is the fact that he is an average passer, a mediocre ball handler, is turnover prone, makes poor decisions with the ball more often then not, and averages 32% FG on 10 attempts a night. 

If Smart simply did not shoot the ball - then I could accept his position on the team as a defensive role player.  But the fact that he forces so many shots when he knows [dang] well that he cannot shoot to save his life (come on bro, it's been four years - like he hasn't worked it out by now?) infuriates me.  He has a great impact on D, but he hurts the team as much on offense as he helps it on defense.  Save for the occasional bit hustle plays (like saves, dives on loose balls, etc) that happen every now and again, he really contributes next to nothing on the offensive end.  He is a worse version of Rajon Rondo on offence - because at least Rondo had an elite ability to get other people involved, and was an excellent finisher at the basket. There isn't a single thing Smart does well on offense, not one.
Wow you are really a blow hard. You don't like Smart. We get it.
Okay first in my moderator voice:

No name calling or being disrespectful of others.

Second, I don't see where what crimson said is wrong. I think he is pretty spot on in his description of Smart. He is a thoroughly mediocre passer. His decision making, specifically in calling his own number rather than creating for others is poor. His shooting is historically bad. And he is a great defender 1-3 that can guard stretch fours but not prototypical large inside PFs.

I think it's his attitude that set him off. Besides Smart is a pretty good passer and a great defender.

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
« Reply #28 on: December 16, 2017, 05:16:10 PM »

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Smart has an offensive rating of 92 and a defensive rating of 103.  That means while Smart is on the court, Boston is scoring 92 points per 100 possessions and allowing 103 points per 100 possessions.  We are being outscored by 11 points per 100 possessions with him on the court.
Are there any stat wizards that can weigh in on this? Basketball reference lists these numbers for Smart but then under "Play-by-Play" stats it shows his +/- as +11.7 which mirrors everything I've read about him. How can his DRtg be higher than his Ortg and this be so? I'm confused.
Basketball reference's offensive and defensive ratings are NOT based on scoring per 100 possessions.  They are a junk metric created from a players own box score statistics to try to award a given player a value on each end of the floor.  It is utter garbage and the analysis Crimson has done is completely off base. 

The Celtics score 107.4 points per 100 possessions with Smart on the floor (3rd on the team behind Horford and Irving).  The Celtics give up 98.7 points to their opponents with Smart on the floor (3rd among regular rotation players behind Baynes and Rozier).  Smart's net rating of +8.7 is 2nd only to Horford's +9.9. 

If you cannot see the value of Marcus Smart on a basketball floor then you need to reevaluate how you watch games, your understanding of the statistics you are looking at and your entire approach to evaluating players because you are clearly doing it wrong.

Re: Lowe on Marcus Smart's Passing
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Online Boris Badenov

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Smart has an offensive rating of 92 and a defensive rating of 103.  That means while Smart is on the court, Boston is scoring 92 points per 100 possessions and allowing 103 points per 100 possessions.  We are being outscored by 11 points per 100 possessions with him on the court.
Are there any stat wizards that can weigh in on this? Basketball reference lists these numbers for Smart but then under "Play-by-Play" stats it shows his +/- as +11.7 which mirrors everything I've read about him. How can his DRtg be higher than his Ortg and this be so? I'm confused.
Basketball reference's offensive and defensive ratings are NOT based on scoring per 100 possessions.  They are a junk metric created from a players own box score statistics to try to award a given player a value on each end of the floor.  It is utter garbage and the analysis Crimson has done is completely off base. 

The Celtics score 107.4 points per 100 possessions with Smart on the floor (3rd on the team behind Horford and Irving).  The Celtics give up 98.7 points to their opponents with Smart on the floor (3rd among regular rotation players behind Baynes and Rozier).  Smart's net rating of +8.7 is 2nd only to Horford's +9.9. 

If you cannot see the value of Marcus Smart on a basketball floor then you need to reevaluate how you watch games, your understanding of the statistics you are looking at and your entire approach to evaluating players because you are clearly doing it wrong.

TP.

Also, the C's assist on 62% of made baskets when Smart is on the floor, and 56% when he's off. The offense is about 5 points better, and shoots more efficiently overall even incorporating his horrendous shooting, which means everyone else gets MUCH more efficient when he's out there.

It's baffling, and maybe one of the hardest things in terms of how the numbers match the "eye test" in all my years of watching pro hoops. But I don't see how you can deny what the numbers say.