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Re: "The Last Jedi" (Not Spoiler-Free)
« Reply #60 on: December 31, 2017, 10:25:01 AM »

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I hate it. To me itís the worst Star Wars movie ever and I despise the prequels too but would rather watch them because while they have bad acting, and dialog and special effects I can say that the overall story is interesting. I canít say this at all about The Last Jedi.

 Half the movie is about the slowest space chase ever. Why not hyperdrive a few of those Star Destroyers in front of the resistance ships and circle them? Why       
 did they pull their tie fighters back? When has the Empire/First Order ever cared at all about tie fighter pilots? Just launch all of them at them at one time. Why              was the one Star Destroyer the only one shooting at the ships? And how is it that this massive gun on a Destroyer is not getting past their shields but only two shots from a Tie fighter blew a hole in the bridge? And why not hyperdrive the other 2 resistance ships off in different directions? They canít track all of them at one time going in 2 different directions.

There was too much ďhumorĒ in it and what they had was bad. From Luke throwing the lightsaber over his shoulder and making a face after milking a space walrus to Ray continuing to make the aliens on the island mad or BB-8 being a slot machine it all seemed out of place and forced. I was prequel or RotJ humor and not the stuff I want to see.

 If Luke wanted to die on that island alone then why did R2 have a half a map to find him in the last movie?

Leia playing  Mary Poppins in space. I need not say more on that.

Ray still hasnít been trained in any way on how to be a Jedi. And yet sheís still all powerful somehow.

 The whole casino planet story was useless and added 30 minutes for no reason at all. I felt like I was being lectured by Disney the whole time about greed and animal abuse. All things Iím against but I donít need to be force-feed it in my Star wars movies.

I lean to the left political and I think women should be equal to men and all that good stuff. But this movie just seemed like the men are all idiots who canít get anything right and have to be put in their place by the superior women in charge. It has Disney princes all over it.

I said before Iíve got a problem with the jokes in the film. And the beginning of the movie when Poe is punkín General Hux is another example. It make the First Order look weak and foolish. It makes them not intimidating like the Empire before them. Did you ever see Tarkin, Ozzel or Piett acting like that? No, they had intimidation on their side and not being the butt of gag jokes.

 How did the first order get all of itís money? How did they make their fleet? And what had the new galactic senate been doing for the last 30 years? The Empire was defeated about a year after the battle over Endor and what was left retreated out into space. So in that time youíre telling me the new senate didnít make an army to defend itself? All they have is a few ships and Leia to fight for them?
The Emperor played both sides in the clone wars to build up a massive army that he then took control over and turned the galaxy into his own personal military machine. How in the world did the First order pull off something like that again?  All it comes down to is lazy story telling where the good guys must be outnumbered and out of hope against a superior advisory. Iíd rather they just had two equal forces go up against one another like an actual war.


 Force ghost canít interact with the physical world. Yodaís ghost shouldnít be able to make lightning hit a tree or knock Luke in the head with his force walking stick. Obi-Wan told Luke in The Empire Strikes Back ďif you choose to face Vader you will do it alone, I can not interfere.Ē If force ghosts can interact with the physical world then Ben could've blow up the first Death Star on his own. Or Ben and Yoda  couldíve just killed the Emperor and Vader themselves after turning to ghosts.

 Bombs donít fall in space. When that one bomber was trying to drop itís payload I keeps saying ďplease have them shoot out of the thing and not dropĒ but sure enough they fell out of the thing. But unlike a bomber flying over a planet the ones in space donít have gravity on itís side.

 How did Finn get Rose back to the base after she crashed their two land speeders? And both of those characters are extremely annoying by the way.

 Why didnít Maz Kanataís character just give them a name rather then tell them to look for a defining characteristic? And who was filming her run around in a gun fight during their iChat? And why didnít the first order not intercept the transmission? And why was that pointless, digital looking character in the movie in the first place?

Why did the First order land itís At-Atís and big gun so far away from the base? They didnít have shields like Hothís base did so they couldnít landed right up to the door and blown a hole in it. We didnít need to see a bad recreation of the battle of Hoth in this movie with the slowest, most pointless speeders ever.

And the resistance wouldíve had itís base door closes after they landed. They wouldnít hold off until the bad guy started flying in and then close the door. The crashing ship happened to have two idiots on the resistance in it but it couldíve also been full of enemy troopers.

Why in movies do they have to make any important technology look fancy? Iím sure the Hyperspace tracker would just look like a computer in a control room. There is no need for it to look like the Star Wars version of the flux capacitor.

Once again they made Captain Phasma a wussy. Why even have this idiotically named character in the movies at all?

Kylo Ren didnít notice that Luke was fighting him with the same blue light saber that was just pulled apart by him and Rey not 15 minutes ago up in the throne room? Did he think he fixed it?

Directing problems like R2 playing the Leia recording to Luke in the Falcon. Well R2 turns his head to look at Luke but the video stays put in the same spot. If R2 turns his head the video would move with it. Finnís bag magically being put down in one spot and then the next shot i being in another place. Or Luke becoming one with the force and his body disappearing and only leaving his cloths but not his robotic hand too. These are little things that if I notice with one viewing then how do the people working for years not see?
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Re: "The Last Jedi" (Not Spoiler-Free)
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2017, 10:46:44 AM »

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You can make that argument about all kinds of movies. And the fact is some of the Star Wars movies didn't make these flaws so no reason to let this one get away with it. Bad movie making is bad movie making.
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Re: "The Last Jedi" (Not Spoiler-Free)
« Reply #63 on: December 31, 2017, 10:50:21 AM »

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That's an interesting question....which film or franchise had the most plot holes?   If I had to guess I'd say Back to the Future. Not sure. I'm gonna try to look that up

Re: "The Last Jedi" (Not Spoiler-Free)
« Reply #64 on: December 31, 2017, 11:01:36 AM »

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I thought it was okay. Not a great movie though. I think that trying to check so many boxes hurts the flow and direction of the movie franchise. Can't be an easy thing dealing with this franchise.
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Re: "The Last Jedi" (Not Spoiler-Free)
« Reply #65 on: December 31, 2017, 11:43:06 AM »

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I just wish that they would quit repeating the old movies.   When I saw the Force Awakens, I thought I have seen this movie before.   It is so much like new hope.   Now we see the Last Jedi and it is a lot like Empire Strikes with an ice planet and such.   There is a whole galaxy out there one would think that they could have a lot more different types of planets.

I get wanting to honor the old movies, but some originality would not hurt.

Re: "The Last Jedi" (Not Spoiler-Free)
« Reply #66 on: December 31, 2017, 12:25:15 PM »

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I thought that they should have named it The Last Temptation of Luke Skywalker

Re: "The Last Jedi" (Not Spoiler-Free)
« Reply #67 on: December 31, 2017, 01:20:07 PM »

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I thought it was okay. Not a great movie though. I think that trying to check so many boxes hurts the flow and direction of the movie franchise. Can't be an easy thing dealing with this franchise.

same, the last two just didn't feel right for me, I thoroughly enjoyed Rogue one a lot better than Force Awakens and Last Jedi

Snoke was way too underwhelming, and i agree with some people that said Kylo was mis casted.


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« Reply #68 on: December 31, 2017, 01:21:55 PM »

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I thought it was okay. Not a great movie though. I think that trying to check so many boxes hurts the flow and direction of the movie franchise. Can't be an easy thing dealing with this franchise.

same, the last two just didn't feel right for me, I thoroughly enjoyed Rogue one a lot better than Force Awakens and Last Jedi

Snoke was way too underwhelming, and i agree with some people that said Kylo was mis casted.

I feel like Kylo might be my favorite character of this new series, and find the casting perfect!

Different strokes.

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« Reply #69 on: December 31, 2017, 02:10:06 PM »

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I thought it was okay. Not a great movie though. I think that trying to check so many boxes hurts the flow and direction of the movie franchise. Can't be an easy thing dealing with this franchise.

same, the last two just didn't feel right for me, I thoroughly enjoyed Rogue one a lot better than Force Awakens and Last Jedi

Snoke was way too underwhelming, and i agree with some people that said Kylo was mis casted.

I feel like Kylo might be my favorite character of this new series, and find the casting perfect!

Different strokes.
Didn't like Kylo much in first movie but this seemed much better to me. Maybe because he felt more assertive and manipulative like a real villain. Looking forward to him embracing the dark side even more.
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Re: "The Last Jedi" (Not Spoiler-Free)
« Reply #70 on: December 31, 2017, 02:26:44 PM »

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Iíve seen it twice. I acknowledge the plot holes, but still really enjoy it.

Itís not what my vision would have been, but it entertained me. The only part that I really feel was a misstep was Leiaís non-death. I thought it was set up perfectly with Kylo not having the heart to kill her, only to have her die anyway. That could have been an interesting struggle to watch Kylo deal with. 

Iím a little surprised that they didnít reshoot some of the movie after Carrie Fisherís death. They were probably too far into post-production, but they could have sent her off fittingly.


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« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2017, 02:55:54 PM »

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The only part that I really feel was a misstep was Leiaís non-death

Yeah, I thought this was sloppy.  They should have had her die, now she dies off screen or CGI.

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« Reply #72 on: December 31, 2017, 02:58:45 PM »

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Too many annoying details. The cutesy bird creatures, the nurses. Hated the casino scenes, no point at all. Finn annoying beyond belief
 
That said, i am a member of the original trilogy generation and other than Empire, Star Wars movies have always been sort of stupid and cheesy. Because they were such a large part of people's childhoods they have become better movies than they were, if that makes any sense..

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« Reply #73 on: December 31, 2017, 04:28:02 PM »

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6 out of 10 tops...

the best part of this film was the preview for the new Avengers film.
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« Reply #74 on: December 31, 2017, 04:36:24 PM »

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Luke's cynicism just doesn't seem right in a Jedi master.