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Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2017, 05:55:01 PM »

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It was not Stevens' best game.

He did not address Lamarcus Aldridge.  Didn't even consider using Baynes to slow him down when he was obviously steamrolling the Celtics and Horford.

Also I feel like the Celtics did not take enough advantage of their secondary scoring options outside of Kyrie.

When the whole SA defense is consistently double teaming Kyrie at one point, why didn't you have plays drawn up to swing the ball quickly to hot shooting Brown and Tatum?

Why give so many touches/minutes to Marcus Morris who was clunking bricks all night instead?

BS is a genius of course.  But even a genius has an off game.  The Spurs game was Steven's off game.  I feel like he could have managed the game better to get the win at the end.  We obviously had a shot to tie it even with those miscues.  But we could have been in better position if Stevens had managed the game better.

Finally, Baynes injury at the end made him unavailable.  But if Stevens doesn't have confidence in him to stop the hot scoring big men in the league.  Who do you insert in there?  Why not try doubling LA on the block?

We can't just have constant repeats of LA and Drummond.  If Baynes is not the answer, DA needs to find one that Stevens feels comfortable using to stop the bleeding.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 06:15:25 PM by vjcsmoke »

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2017, 06:11:05 PM »

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Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2017, 07:06:04 PM »

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Holy over reaction, Batman. The Celtics lost to a top 5 NBA team, on that team's home court, lost by a last second three pointer made by a future Hall of Famer, and actually had a shot to tie the game and send it into overtime with almost no time left but missed the shot!

It was a regular season road game against one of the NBA's best. It's gonna happen.

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2017, 07:24:02 PM »

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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
 but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.

The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.

You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??

You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?

You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?

I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!

Smitty77

If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?

He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!!  I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game.  Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!!  Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however.  Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!

Smitty77

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #34 on: December 09, 2017, 07:48:33 PM »

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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
 but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.

The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.

You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??

You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?

You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?

I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!

Smitty77

If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?

He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!!  I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game.  Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!!  Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however.  Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!

Smitty77

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.


Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #35 on: December 09, 2017, 08:00:08 PM »

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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
 but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.

The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.

You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??

You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?

You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?

I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!

Smitty77

If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?

He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!!  I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game.  Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!!  Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however.  Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!

Smitty77

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.

This is not a very useful response, though.  It just reads as an appeal to authority.

This is a fan discussion forum.  Brad Stevens isn't here.  Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why.   Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response.  Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.

Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here.  I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).

NBA Officiating - Corrupt?  Incompetent?  Which is worse?  Does it matter?  It sucks.

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #36 on: December 09, 2017, 08:06:58 PM »

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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
 but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.

The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.

You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??

You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?

You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?

I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!

Smitty77

If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?

He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!!  I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game.  Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!!  Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however.  Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!

Smitty77

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.

This is not a very useful response, though.  It just reads as an appeal to authority.

This is a fan discussion forum.  Brad Stevens isn't here.  Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why.   Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response.  Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.

Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here.  I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).

Great reasoning mmmmm!!!!

I personally was discussing this particular game vs. SA.  However, this is not my first time to be concerned about rotations and resting the HOT shooter by Brad.

Do I STILL think that Brad is the best young coach in virtually all of basketball at EVERY level?  Unequivocally yes!!!!  Is there room for him to improve?  Absolutely yes!!

I appreciate you (mmmmm) encouraging people to focus on my points about THIS game and about Stevens' rotations and sometimes resting the very hot shooter(s).

Smitty77

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #37 on: December 09, 2017, 08:42:16 PM »

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Looking at On-Off stats according to basketball-reference.com, you could make a strong argument for Baynes to play more.

Our offense is significantly worse with him on the floor.
Offensive rating with Baynes on the court: 103.9
Offensive rating without Baynes: 112 (+8.1 without Baynes)
eFG% with Baynes: .479
eFG% without Baynes: .541 (0.62% better without Baynes)

However, our defense and rebounding is significantly better with Baynes on the court.
Defensive rebounding % with Baynes: 84.7%
Defensive reboudning % without: 77.8% (6.9% worse)
Opponent eFG% with Baynes: .468
Opponent eFG% without Baynes: .503 (opponent shoots 0.35 better when Baynes is not on)
Opponent offensive rating with Baynes on court: 95.0 (which is outstanding)
Opponent offensive rating without Baynes: 105.4 (better by 10.4)

Looking at the stats alone, Baynes is a net positive with his defense despite his negative effect on our offense.  This correlates with the eye test.  Baynes has been great for us this season.  If you look at Marcus Morris' on-off and other advanced stats, you'll find that his impact is overall negative, especially on the defensive end of the floor.  This also correlates with the eye test.  We need his offense, especially off the bench, but our defense noticeably suffers at times with MM in the lineup.

I'm in the 'play Baynes more' camp.  While he is averaging a career high in MPG with us at 17.4 MPG, I'd strongly advocate for more minutes particularly in place of Ojeleye or MM.  Part of the reason why Baynes is playing so little at times likely has to do mostly with matchups, but we have Horford who is good enough defensively to play as the 2nd big.  That or it's because other bench players are doing well, specifically Theis who has been great for us.

By the way, looking at Baynes' stats made me notice that today is his birthday.  Give him a present by playing him more tomorrow, Brad - we're going to need him against Drummond.

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2017, 08:12:58 AM »

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I hope that Brad took notes on Pops early timeout and technical -this put pressure on refs-.
Morris had a bad game but has had his share of good ones and has been fighting off that knee injury
I assume Brad would not embarrass Morris by not letting him get minutes or benching him in a payback game.
As to miss management of Baynes minutes in this game its a moot point.He wasn't available.
It came down to loss of Marcus by Ginobili driving him into screen that could have been an offensive but Pops took care of that -after all it was home court

Aldridge is in running for MVP and was going to get his points vs others hitting threes.
That back rim long offensive rebound  was instrumental-a bit of luck there
And if, Marcus was guarding Ginobili would a switch have occurred on his three or would have Ginobili even got that offensive rebound previously.
.That early timeout and early technical was pure "Red"in influencing refs that had forgot home court advantage
The Celts had a 4 game streak,Baynes went down-Rudy Gay hit some tough angle shots ,Ginobili was clutch at 40 and the Celts had led most of way.
It was a lottery said Pops and Ginobili said his shot lucky as he changed arc to get it over Horfords defense.


Aldridge would have just bullied Theis drawing and ones
Benching Morris in a revenge game may have been counter productive ,he is a proud man and it might not sit well.Player management is one skill Brads has and that means not embarrassing his players.
You want a spaced floor and rested Irving for a 4th quarter push-that was a bad bounce win with Pops manipulating the refs .
Kryrie owns the 4th his shot didn't fall Ginobili's did.




Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2017, 09:00:58 AM »

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Holy over reaction, Batman. The Celtics lost to a top 5 NBA team, on that team's home court, lost by a last second three pointer made by a future Hall of Famer, and actually had a shot to tie the game and send it into overtime with almost no time left but missed the shot!

It was a regular season road game against one of the NBA's best. It's gonna happen.

I am sure this is how the game will be remembered, but it really shouldn't have ever been that close. We started the game by dominating the Spurs, held them off for most of the first half, and then completely fell apart at the end of the 2nd quarter. In the 4th quarter, despite Aldridge's dominance of Horford and Irving/Tatum being the only Cs players able to do anything offensively, it still seemed like we had the game in hand before, once again, losing focus and letting this one slip away.

I think Smitty and mmmmm laid it out pretty well (TPs). This is a game we probably should have won [handily], but something always felt wrong - it just didn't seem like the team was always playing 'Celtics basketball' and they carelessly and deservedly lost at the end.

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #40 on: December 10, 2017, 09:04:26 AM »

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I assume Brad would not embarrass Morris by not letting him get minutes or benching him in a payback game.

As to miss management of Baynes minutes in this game its a moot point.He wasn't available.

Benching Morris in a revenge game may have been counter productive ,he is a proud man and it might not sit well.

These comments lead me to believe that you're just typing away without reading other members comments on Baynes and also have no clue on the teams Morris has played for.

First on Morris, since it's shorter...he never played for the Spurs or Pop, so why the two mentions of a revenge narrative?

As for Baynes, AGAIN, no one is mentioning the 4Q, I and others are referring to the game in general, particularly the first 3 quarters where Stevens didn't use him appropriately. Please try to follow along.

1Q
6:47 Celtics are up 14-4. Aldridge has missed his only 2 FG attempts and has only 2 points, both coming from the FT line. Morris enters the game for Baynes.

2:13 Celtics are up 27-18. During the 4 minutes and change that the Baynes substitution was made Aldridge makes 5 out of his 6 FG attempts and was the only reason the deficit for the Spurs wasn't greater. Gasol enters for Aldridge.

2Q
8:01 Celtics are still up 9 (41-32). Aldridge is back in the game. Baynes is still on the bench. During the stretch Aldridge nearly gets a double/double in the next 8 minutes with 7 pts and 7 boards.

0.05 Celtics down 55-56. The above stretch proved critical. Baynes enters the game for Brown. No impact on the game.

3Q
5:25 Celtics down 67-71. Smart enters the game for Baynes. During the early part of this stretch Aldridge only scores 4 pts (2 for 4 shooting), picks up 2 fouls, and collects 0 rebounds.

2:02 Celtics up 76-73. This 3 minute stretch doesn't have much of an impact. Aldridge misses his only attempt, but does manage to grab 2 rebounds. Gasol enters for Aldridge.



In the 4Q, Aldridge did not go back into the game until the 6:30 mark. Baynes is out out of the game with an injury, but that's a moot point because he rarely ever plays the end of the game, as Stevens prefers to go small regardless of opposition.

So based on the above data it's pretty clear that there is a direct correlation with Aldridge having success with Baynes not on the floor. The two stretches that he was virtually unstoppable had Baynes firmly planted on the bench.

Baynes only played 14 minutes, only had 2 fouls, and was a +4.

I could do the same thing for the Pistons game a game which saw Drummond virtually unstoppable. In that game Drummond played 40 minutes, Baynes played 12 minutes, had 0 fouls, and did NOT leave the game due to injury. Oh, and Baynes was a +5 in a 10 point loss.
« Last Edit: December 10, 2017, 09:09:48 AM by Eddie20 »

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #41 on: December 10, 2017, 09:10:09 AM »

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It was not Stevens' best game.

He did not address Lamarcus Aldridge.  Didn't even consider using Baynes to slow him down when he was obviously steamrolling the Celtics and Horford.

Also I feel like the Celtics did not take enough advantage of their secondary scoring options outside of Kyrie.

When the whole SA defense is consistently double teaming Kyrie at one point, why didn't you have plays drawn up to swing the ball quickly to hot shooting Brown and Tatum?

Why give so many touches/minutes to Marcus Morris who was clunking bricks all night instead?

BS is a genius of course.  But even a genius has an off game.  The Spurs game was Steven's off game.  I feel like he could have managed the game better to get the win at the end.  We obviously had a shot to tie it even with those miscues.  But we could have been in better position if Stevens had managed the game better.

Finally, Baynes injury at the end made him unavailable.  But if Stevens doesn't have confidence in him to stop the hot scoring big men in the league.  Who do you insert in there?  Why not try doubling LA on the block?

We can't just have constant repeats of LA and Drummond.  If Baynes is not the answer, DA needs to find one that Stevens feels comfortable using to stop the bleeding.

Great post. Going small is not always the way to go. TP

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #42 on: December 10, 2017, 09:40:40 AM »

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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
 but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.

The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.

You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??

You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?

You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?

I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!

Smitty77

If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?

He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!!  I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game.  Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!!  Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however.  Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!

Smitty77

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.

This is not a very useful response, though.  It just reads as an appeal to authority.

This is a fan discussion forum.  Brad Stevens isn't here.  Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why.   Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response.  Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.

Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here.  I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).

I have as much right to my opinion as anyone else does, so my response is just as useful as anyone else's. I am not going to try and read Brads mind. I just continue to recognize that it is foolish to think I have even close to the level of insight Brad has regarding this team, considering he is one of the best coaches in the league, and sees this team nearly every day.

Again, I just disagree. I think you guys are wrong for thinking you would be able to make better adjustments than Brad, and that he doesn't have far better reasons for doing what he does, than you guys do for your suggestions.

Brad is a top 3 coach, and seeing fans regularly call him out for stuff, when it is 100% certain Brad had a far better grip on the players and this team, just baffles me.

And again, please don't refer to my posts as useless, just because I am taking the viewpoint that Brad is better than any of us in the choices he makes out there.

I feel incredibly strongly that if you had a meeting with Brad, and you addressed the concerns you had, Brad would explain to you exactly why he has done what he has done, and you would then understand and realize why you are the incorrect one, not Brad.


Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2017, 09:46:57 AM »

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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
 but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.

The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.

You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??

You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?

You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?

I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!

Smitty77

If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?

He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!!  I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game.  Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!!  Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however.  Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!

Smitty77

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.

This is not a very useful response, though.  It just reads as an appeal to authority.

This is a fan discussion forum.  Brad Stevens isn't here.  Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why.   Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response.  Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.

Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here.  I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).

I have as much right to my opinion as anyone else does, so my response is just as useful as anyone else's. I am not going to try and read Brads mind. I just continue to recognize that it is foolish to think I have even close to the level of insight Brad has regarding this team, considering he is one of the best coaches in the league, and sees this team nearly every day.

Again, I just disagree. I think you guys are wrong for thinking you would be able to make better adjustments than Brad, and that he doesn't have far better reasons for doing what he does, than you guys do for your suggestions.

Brad is a top 3 coach, and seeing fans regularly call him out for stuff, when it is 100% certain Brad had a far better grip on the players and this team, just baffles me.

And again, please don't refer to my posts as useless, just because I am taking the viewpoint that Brad is better than any of us in the choices he makes out there.

I feel incredibly strongly that if you had a meeting with Brad, and you addressed the concerns you had, Brad would explain to you exactly why he has done what he has done, and you would then understand and realize why you are the incorrect one, not Brad.

Why does that approach stop at Stevens though? If a person is good enough to be an NBA coach then he should have a basketball mind that is above a fan's and subsequently be above reproach. So I take it you've never been critical of an NBA coach before? If the argument is because Brad is a top 3 guy, then why should that matter? Clearly the worst coach in the NBA is better than anyone on this board, so no coach should ever be criticized. In fact, neither should GM's or refs, since they're obviously at the pinnacle of their profession too.

Re: Stevens' usage of Baynes
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2017, 09:50:35 AM »

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"I blame a large part of yesterdays loss on Stevens and his misuse of Baynes"-i think that says it all and you said it
 but the celts record says different
How did he misuse Baynes yesterday-
The offense rolls through Horford and he spreads the floor opening up for Kyrie and Tatum.

The GAME that I am talking about Rollie IS last night's game and we are 0-1 in that game DUE to Brad.

You seriously did not have a problem with HOW we were guarding Aldridge and who we were putting on him??

You didn't mind playing an AWFUL Marcus Morris 25 utterly WORTHLESS minutes last night?

You did not have a problem with Morris and Brown not getting MORE shots?

I have immense respect for your b-ball knowledge Rollie, but I simply don't see HOW you can defend the rotations and minutes LAST night!!!

Smitty77

If you sat down with Brad, and asked him why he did the things you think he did wrong, do you think you would have better reasoning than he does?

He would have some explaining to do regarding last night's game!!  I think I would have a GREAT chance with my reasoning regarding last night's game.  Brad is a genius in MOST aspects of the game!!  Playing the hot hand and rotations are NOT his two strongest points however.  Maybe they will be in time, but they are NOT yet!!

Smitty77

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree. Brad has darn good reasons for the decisions he makes, and there is a reason he is regarded by all as a top 5 coach already, and certainly is younger than his peers in that upper echelon.

This is not a very useful response, though.  It just reads as an appeal to authority.

This is a fan discussion forum.  Brad Stevens isn't here.  Some fans disagree with the strategy that Brad used and they have explained why.   Simply asserting that Brad is a genius isn't a very meaningful response.  Instead, try coming up with the "darn good reasons" that might have lead Brad to make those decisions and see if they stand up to scrutiny.

Personally, I'm going to come down on the side of agreeing with Eddie20 and Smitty77 here.  I know for a fact that this team has measurably and significantly played better all season with Baynes or Theis on the floor (playing the 5) in large part because it allows Horford to play the 4 (where he has been dominant).

I have as much right to my opinion as anyone else does, so my response is just as useful as anyone else's. I am not going to try and read Brads mind. I just continue to recognize that it is foolish to think I have even close to the level of insight Brad has regarding this team, considering he is one of the best coaches in the league, and sees this team nearly every day.

Again, I just disagree. I think you guys are wrong for thinking you would be able to make better adjustments than Brad, and that he doesn't have far better reasons for doing what he does, than you guys do for your suggestions.

Brad is a top 3 coach, and seeing fans regularly call him out for stuff, when it is 100% certain Brad had a far better grip on the players and this team, just baffles me.

And again, please don't refer to my posts as useless, just because I am taking the viewpoint that Brad is better than any of us in the choices he makes out there.

I feel incredibly strongly that if you had a meeting with Brad, and you addressed the concerns you had, Brad would explain to you exactly why he has done what he has done, and you would then understand and realize why you are the incorrect one, not Brad.

Why does that approach stop at Stevens though? If a person is good enough to be an NBA coach then he should have a basketball mind that is above a fan's and subsequently be above reproach. So I take it you've never been critical of an NBA coach before? If the argument is because Brad is a top 3 guy, then why should that matter? Clearly the worst coach in the NBA is better than anyone on this board, so no coach should ever be criticized. In fact, neither should GM's or refs, since they're obviously at the pinnacle of their profession.

For the most part, I don't critize GM or coaching decisions, unless it is blatantly obvious they are incorrect.

I don't fool myself into thinking i know more about coaching and GMing than these guys, so I don't regularly second guess them.

A good example is how much people moan and complain about so many of Danny's moves, and then 6 months after they have shown to be great moves, people act like they were happy from the jump.

How many people absolutely hated picking Terry or Jaylen? How many people thought the Sixers trade or Cavs trade or The KG PP trade were garbage? A lot of people, and, as is almost always the case, those people were incredibly wrong.

Anyone here is free to criticize guys like Danny and Brad, I just know that 99 times out of 100, Brad and Danny aren't the ones that are incorrect.