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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #240 on: February 06, 2018, 07:26:09 AM »

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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .

He still has a ton of work to do

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #241 on: February 06, 2018, 07:32:35 AM »

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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .

He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route:  Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up.  Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.

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« Reply #242 on: February 06, 2018, 07:54:33 AM »

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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .

He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route:  Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up.  Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #243 on: February 06, 2018, 08:25:47 AM »

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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .

He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route:  Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up.  Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.

Semi is a poor man's Brandon Bass. I'm curious to see how long he's in town once some of the picks we have upcoming (our own, LAL/Sac, Mem, LAC) come to fruition. Not to mention this summer could be a year that we add some cheap quality veterans looking to chase a ring.

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #244 on: February 06, 2018, 11:43:00 AM »

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Semi shoots it fine.   Better than that actually.  It's just a confidence thing and the lack of game reps.   He looks like a great pick to me.

When he's played at least 10 minutes, he's shot .346 from three, which is already good.

The injuries that the team is dealing with right now are unfortunate, but they've allowed Brad Stevens to get some developmental minutes for bench players, especially Theis and Ojeleye.

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« Reply #245 on: February 06, 2018, 12:49:47 PM »

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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .

He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route:  Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up.  Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.
He still had way more than enough explosiveness after the injuries.  His sloppiness offensively really hurt him in Boston.

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #246 on: February 06, 2018, 01:06:17 PM »

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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .

He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route:  Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up.  Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.

Semi is a poor man's Brandon Bass. .

Man could not disagree more.  He plays nothing like a midrange specialist rebounding PF at all.  He hardly moves off the three point line.

He is a 3-D specialist with a body like Bass, sure.   Otherwise plays nothing like him.  I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.

If his shot falls from 3 he can be a good role player.  If he realizes there is more to the game than shooting 3 pointers quick release he can be more.
« Last Edit: February 06, 2018, 01:12:18 PM by Snakehead »
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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #247 on: February 06, 2018, 01:13:08 PM »

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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .

He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route:  Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up.  Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.

Semi is a poor man's Brandon Bass
 
Dang .....ouch  :o.   poor Semi
whelp thats enough right there to sour me on Semi ....ugh

bad as ol concrete mitts ..... ;D


Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #248 on: February 06, 2018, 04:01:25 PM »

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  I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.

And his strength, speed, and footwork.

He’s improved on the offensive board - now only behind Theis, Baynes, and Horford in the rotation, and ahead of Tatum, Brown, and Rozier (!).  But at 4.1% you could hardly call it a strength.  On the other hand, his defensive rebounding has been poor, perhaps his weakest area.

I love to watch him play – he glides to his spots, and his acceleration is superb; he plays with a sense of purpose, energy, skill, and flair. Quick hips, quick shoulders. Check how he snaps his wrists delivering an ordinary chest pass - beautiful, but also an indicator of his attention to the details.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #249 on: February 06, 2018, 05:59:06 PM »

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Solid player for a 2nd rounder.  Hopefully he keeps improving.  Brad is throwing him out there in situations so looks like he has earned some trust.  3 and D is his archetype and he plays it well.  I'm hoping he adds some extra wrinkles to his game during the next offseason.

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #250 on: February 06, 2018, 06:53:38 PM »

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Solid player for a 2nd rounder.  Hopefully he keeps improving.  Brad is throwing him out there in situations so looks like he has earned some trust.  3 and D is his archetype and he plays it well.  I'm hoping he adds some extra wrinkles to his game during the next offseason.

With most players, the progress to year 2 is the best predictor of long-term performance. (I’m now imagining applying that yardstick to Manchild Tatum!) 

But as we saw last season with Jaylen, a coach sticking with early-season minutes, letting a rookie play through his mistakes, can pay big dividends after the all-star break in the first year.  Let’s see how Ojeleye’s minutes are affected by roster changes and returns from injuries. Brad has continued to find rotation minutes for Semi, including some high-stakes crunch-time minutes.




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« Reply #251 on: February 06, 2018, 07:16:46 PM »

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  I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.

And his strength, speed, and footwork.

He’s improved on the offensive board - now only behind Theis, Baynes, and Horford in the rotation, and ahead of Tatum, Brown, and Rozier (!).  But at 4.1% you could hardly call it a strength.  On the other hand, his defensive rebounding has been poor, perhaps his weakest area.

I love to watch him play – he glides to his spots, and his acceleration is superb; he plays with a sense of purpose, energy, skill, and flair. Quick hips, quick shoulders. Check how he snaps his wrists delivering an ordinary chest pass - beautiful, but also an indicator of his attention to the details.

I agree on all of that basically.  I really like how he moves on defense as well, and in general.   

 He could be a great cutter and rebounder as well if he wanted (and especially the rebounding would make him be able to be played at PF or even C in a pinch) but we will see what happens with him.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #252 on: February 06, 2018, 07:54:26 PM »

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more useful than many of recent rookies ...like Young .

He still has a ton of work to do
He is taking the Tony Allen/Avery Bradley/Marcus Smart route:  Prove your defensive prowess to the coach and you will hang onto a roster spot, until your offensive catches up.  Among those 3 though, only AB completed his development program.
Tony Allen could at least finish reliably. It's a pity that early injury robbed him of some of his explosiveness.

Semi is a poor man's Brandon Bass. .

Man could not disagree more.  He plays nothing like a midrange specialist rebounding PF at all.  He hardly moves off the three point line.

He is a 3-D specialist with a body like Bass, sure.   Otherwise plays nothing like him.  I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.

If his shot falls from 3 he can be a good role player.  If he realizes there is more to the game than shooting 3 pointers quick release he can be more.

I'm referring in the way he's built and moves his feet. Bass was an average rebounder and remember that Stevens had him shooting corner 3's for a bit. However, let's not forget how limited Bass's passing and dribbling were. That's what I see in Semi, albeit with more range and far less finishing ability at the rim.

  I wish he would mix it up on the boards more because he clearly can with his size.

I love to watch him play – he glides to his spots, and his acceleration is superb; he plays with a sense of purpose, energy, skill, and flair. Quick hips, quick shoulders. Check how he snaps his wrists delivering an ordinary chest pass - beautiful, but also an indicator of his attention to the details.


Are you talking about LeBron?

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #253 on: February 11, 2018, 08:27:13 PM »

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Can Stevens stop playing Semi so much? The guy brings nothing to the table. This month he's shooting 23% from the field and 25% from 3's in a mind boggling 23 MPG.

Offensively, the guy is such a liability that whoever's defending him basically operates as a free safety by playing off of him and being in close position to help on any action in the paint. To make matters worse, Semi has no instincts of playing off the ball, so rather than making a sharp cut backdoor, he'll just stand in the corner anxiously waiting to hoist another brick.

I'm not buying this whole elite defense crap either. Sure he has good lateral movement, but that's only 1 part of defense. The parts that really concerns me is his defense off the ball and his overall defensive IQ. He also seems to constantly get hung up on screens, more than you would think looking at his build. He's also an undisciplined help defender that doesn't seem to make correct reads. Today, for example, even though Van Gundy was harping on it being Monroe's fault on the play where James got to the rim for an and 1, I don't think he was correct. Semi's job was probably to go under the screen and NOT switch, as leaving Monroe 1 on 1 vs James is a bad situation. After that play Stevens immediately yanked Semi out of the game, which would lead me to believe that it was a bad read by Semi.

4 minute mark on the Monroe/ Semi play:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpGrsKEExU

Another undisciplined read by Semi, where he overcommits to helping out on Nance to the rim, even though Baynes was in pretty good position to defend. This left Clarkson wide open for a corner 3 as Semi was in no position to rotate.
6:30 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTpGrsKEExU



Despite all the Semi-hype posts, this guy is absolutely killing us out there!

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #254 on: February 11, 2018, 08:31:15 PM »

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Semi plays fairly well on defense against tougher foes. He did fairly well on Lebron too.

HOWEVER, my god on offense he can be a nightmare.

He looks real shaky and with minimal confidence when on the offensive end, such as when he catches a pass behind the arc and has an open look, but instead of taking it, he pump fakes then tries to drive in, while the defender who "admitted defeat" and waited for him to take the shot is like "oh he didn't shoot" then closes on him while Semi has to kick it out or force a pass somewhere since he's covered...  ::)

I still have hope for Semi, but I agree with @Eddie20, CBS needs to limit his minutes as it seems to hurt our team overall. Play him more minutes in a blowout win or loss or when most of our team is missing from injury, but when the team is relatively healthy playing against great teams, he should be playing really limited minutes and only playing short spurts.

He also seems to lack confidence, which can be understandable, but in that case I'd much rather let someone else on the bench get some more minutes or play a starter a little extra especially against elite foes.
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