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Marcus Smart please keep shooting!
« on: November 27, 2017, 10:33:07 PM »

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6/9 from deep tonight and several big ones down the stretch. 

Keep letting em fly with confidence big fella! 
Passing up open looks = giving up, and that’s not how Marcus Smart approaches anything in life.

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2017, 11:50:57 PM »

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                                  FGM     FGA     FG%     3PM     3PA     3P%     minutes     +/-
Smart with Horford        37       86      43.0       17       39      43.6        350      +155
on floor

Smart w/out Horford      26      116     22.4       11       58      19.0        265        +1

per 36 with Horford       3.8      8.8      43.0      1.7      4.0      43.6

per 36 w/out Horford     3.5     15.8     22.4      1.5      7.9      19.0

Above is Smart's shooting with and without Horford on the floor.  Smart's shot volume almost doubles when Horford is not on the floor and his shooting % is cut in half.  When Marcus is on the floor as a 4th or 5th option he has been very successful.  When he is stuck with the bench units that are devoid of quality offensive options and have much poorer spacing he has displayed some dreadful shooting. 

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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2017, 09:02:34 AM »

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Chris Forsberg just tweeted the Celtics' record when Marcus Smart shoots...

<=30%: 11-0
>30%: 5-4

So...
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2017, 09:21:45 AM »

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                                  FGM     FGA     FG%     3PM     3PA     3P%     minutes     +/-
Smart with Horford        37       86      43.0       17       39      43.6        350      +155
on floor

Smart w/out Horford      26      116     22.4       11       58      19.0        265        +1

per 36 with Horford       3.8      8.8      43.0      1.7      4.0      43.6

per 36 w/out Horford     3.5     15.8     22.4      1.5      7.9      19.0

Above is Smart's shooting with and without Horford on the floor.  Smart's shot volume almost doubles when Horford is not on the floor and his shooting % is cut in half.  When Marcus is on the floor as a 4th or 5th option he has been very successful.  When he is stuck with the bench units that are devoid of quality offensive options and have much poorer spacing he has displayed some dreadful shooting.

Very interesting (TP given).  I wonder if this "Horford Effect" extends to the whole team or just Smart.  I suspect that Horford does impact the whole team.  I know you stated that Morris on the floor impacted Smart as well.

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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2017, 09:24:20 AM »

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I admit I was very impressed by two of his later deep shots and that very late one I was certain was going straight in even though it was sorta off balance and under a ton of pressure.

I actually do want him to take the wide open ones.

I think the team in general has to be smarter about these threes. Why is Smart the go to guy in crunch time? That's stupid. 

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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2017, 09:29:55 AM »

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I said before this 2 game and i will say it again, he should shoot all he want and that's the best interest for the team

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2017, 09:59:41 AM »

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                                  FGM     FGA     FG%     3PM     3PA     3P%     minutes     +/-
Smart with Horford        37       86      43.0       17       39      43.6        350      +155
on floor

Smart w/out Horford      26      116     22.4       11       58      19.0        265        +1

per 36 with Horford       3.8      8.8      43.0      1.7      4.0      43.6

per 36 w/out Horford     3.5     15.8     22.4      1.5      7.9      19.0

Above is Smart's shooting with and without Horford on the floor.  Smart's shot volume almost doubles when Horford is not on the floor and his shooting % is cut in half.  When Marcus is on the floor as a 4th or 5th option he has been very successful.  When he is stuck with the bench units that are devoid of quality offensive options and have much poorer spacing he has displayed some dreadful shooting.

Very interesting (TP given).  I wonder if this "Horford Effect" extends to the whole team or just Smart.  I suspect that Horford does impact the whole team.  I know you stated that Morris on the floor impacted Smart as well.
Kyrie is shooting FG% 38.5 and 3P% 14.3 without Horford on the floor.  FG% 50 and 3P% 40 with Horford.  The primary ball handlers suffer the most from the lack of spacing and poor quality scoring options around them.  Overall the C's are shooting FG% 37.6 and 3P% 29.6 without Horford on the floor.  The offensive rating without Horford on the floor is an anemic 95.7.  There no longer is an Olynyk on the Celtic bench to run the offense off of and create space and they are definitely feeling the effects.  (I didn't mention Morris in the prior post, I only referred to Horford and Smart)

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2017, 10:04:21 AM »

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I like this thread!

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2017, 10:21:36 AM »

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                                  FGM     FGA     FG%     3PM     3PA     3P%     minutes     +/-
Smart with Horford        37       86      43.0       17       39      43.6        350      +155
on floor

Smart w/out Horford      26      116     22.4       11       58      19.0        265        +1

per 36 with Horford       3.8      8.8      43.0      1.7      4.0      43.6

per 36 w/out Horford     3.5     15.8     22.4      1.5      7.9      19.0

Above is Smart's shooting with and without Horford on the floor.  Smart's shot volume almost doubles when Horford is not on the floor and his shooting % is cut in half.  When Marcus is on the floor as a 4th or 5th option he has been very successful.  When he is stuck with the bench units that are devoid of quality offensive options and have much poorer spacing he has displayed some dreadful shooting.

Very interesting (TP given).  I wonder if this "Horford Effect" extends to the whole team or just Smart.  I suspect that Horford does impact the whole team.  I know you stated that Morris on the floor impacted Smart as well.
Kyrie is shooting FG% 38.5 and 3P% 14.3 without Horford on the floor.  FG% 50 and 3P% 40 with Horford.  The primary ball handlers suffer the most from the lack of spacing and poor quality scoring options around them.  Overall the C's are shooting FG% 37.6 and 3P% 29.6 without Horford on the floor.  The offensive rating without Horford on the floor is an anemic 95.7.  There no longer is an Olynyk on the Celtic bench to run the offense off of and create space and they are definitely feeling the effects.  (I didn't mention Morris in the prior post, I only referred to Horford and Smart)

My bad, I misread your original post thinking you meant Marcus Morris but I can see now that that would not make sense.  These are great numbers.  My eye test told me Horford was having an impact but it is revealing to see just how much.

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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2017, 11:02:59 AM »

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The bench hasn't figured it out yet.

Perhaps they won't. The starters, as we have seen, can play with any of the top teams in the NBA. If the bench hits some shots? They can beat any of the top teams.

Last night is a useful example. Piston's defense is kind of like the Celtics, they just attack the perimeter with all they have and, if the ball goes underneath? They collapse. No dogging to be seen last night. Watch the fourth quarter, they hammered Irving...and it worked.

A whole bunch of other teams "tried to take Irving out of the game" and 18 of them essentially failed. (Irving missed some of these). Irving had 9 assists last night just passing out of double teams it seemed.

Bradley gets a lot of credit as Irving admitted after the game, constant pressure forces bad decisions.(Irving stated to the media, Bradley is one of if not the toughest opponent for him)

When any team faces an outstanding defensive performance, the weaknesses become apparent. Pistons took our closer out of the game and, if Smart doesn't explode? C's get run out of the gym, dancing bear, Nader and others get minutes..."reverse Gino".

Smart is basically, wide open from three and probably will be for the rest of his career. "Not shooting" won't do him any good and it won't do the Celtics offense much good either. They take the open shot.

It has been a study watching Smart "start" and also watch him as primary ball handler with Irving "off the ball." I don't know what the stats are, but, Smart with the ball frequently "leaks" towards the rim to draw some coverage off his perimeter shooters...Pistons were tough last night.

If Drummond plays big and they stay healthy? They could match well with an old, sore Cavs team in May/June. Then again, is Tobias Harris gonna hang 31 points on any team ever again?
 

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2017, 05:31:02 PM »

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Forsberg has a full piece today with tidpits like this:

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Smart's career winning percentage in games he shoots sub-30 percent is .641. That winning percentage drops to .598 in games he shoots better than 30 percent.

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According to NBA shot data, Smart is shooting 40.9 percent overall and 57.1 percent on 3-point attempts during shots in the final four seconds of the shot clock. It hints that he's capable of being a more consistent shooter when he doesn't overthink things.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21589757/nba-more-bricks-better-marcus-smart-celtics
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Yup when Smart shoots badly we win.  It's a weird stat.

I'm gonna have to attribute that to small sample size for now.

I really would like to see Smart turn into a 40% plus shooter. 
That would help us a lot as long as he continues to bring great defense with the improved offense.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2017, 08:26:55 PM »

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It is hard for me to look. Up this stat, so help please.

How many three point shots does smart take when the team wins, and when it loses?

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