Four Factors -- First 20 Games

[colincb]

The opponent's turnover percentage ranking is incorrect. A higher opponent's TOV% is good for us. We're actually tied for 13th and effectively within a hair of being tied for eight best.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/opponent-turnovers-per-possession

Never heard of that site. Trust you have heard of this one:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018.html#misc_stats::21

[Chris22]

We are a very young team.
We are going to get better and better.
And we have a great coach.
But can we stop Lebron?

[PhoSita]

The opponent's turnover percentage ranking is incorrect. A higher opponent's TOV% is good for us. We're actually tied for 13th and effectively within a hair of being tied for eight best.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/opponent-turnovers-per-possession

Never heard of that site. Trust you have heard of this one:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018.html#misc_stats::21

Of course.

I'm curious about the differences between "Turnover Percentage" versus "Turnovers per 100 possessions."

I think the answer is probably that "Turnover percentage" is akin to "Turnovers per offensive play," which on TeamRankings is at 14.2%, very close to the 14.1% on basketball-reference.

[PhoSita]

Not sure what opposition FT% tells us.  Maybe that, whilst good in this area, we could still improve, and hence we should give Nader a full time distraction/towel-waving job.

Seriously though, agree with your points: shooting %'s will normalize.

Opponent free throws per 100 is a measure of how often the Celts commit shooting fouls or allow an opponent to get in the bonus.  That is something at least partially within their control.

Dean Oliver's measure for free throws is simple but sophisticated: FT Makes per FG Attempt.  So it factors in not only how many free throws you're making, but how often you get to the line, – and it controls for possessions.

 It doesn't look to me as though the site that you're looking at has the stat. I think that his original gives you the most information about how possessions are being used – which is  what the four factors attempt to summarize.

That makes sense, though I would point out that "Free Throw Makes per 100 possessions" would seem to do a better job of capturing how frequently the Celts prevent the other team from attempting a field goal.

[colincb]

The opponent's turnover percentage ranking is incorrect. A higher opponent's TOV% is good for us. We're actually tied for 13th and effectively within a hair of being tied for eight best.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/opponent-turnovers-per-possession

Never heard of that site. Trust you have heard of this one:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2018.html#misc_stats::21

Of course.

I'm curious about the differences between "Turnover Percentage" versus "Turnovers per 100 possessions."

I think the answer is probably that "Turnover percentage" is akin to "Turnovers per offensive play," which on TeamRankings is at 14.2%, very close to the 14.1% on basketball-reference.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

TOV%
Turnover Percentage (available since the 1977-78 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * TOV / (FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV). Turnover percentage is an estimate of turnovers per 100 plays.

[GreenEnvy]

We are a very young team.
We are going to get better and better.
And we have a great coach.
But can we stop Lebron?

I agree with all of that.

But in regards to your question, I don’t know. But if we can’t this year, it will be the last time we can’t.

LeBron sees the light at the end of the tunnel. It’s not white, it’s Celtic green.

I honestly believe we are witnessing the birth of a dynasty.