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Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2017, 07:53:53 PM »

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To me, Jaylen's ceiling is 23-25 PPG scorer, and a guy who can rack 5-6 assists and 7-8 rebounds a game. But best of all, he will also be an ELITE two-way player.

Not the assists. He's a pretty poor passer.

Well, that's why I call it his "ceiling".

I compare Jaylen a lot to Jimmy Buckets, and even with Butler, his passing was somewhat poor to begin with and he only averaged like 2 assists/game his first three years. But his passing improved and now he averages like 4-6 assists/game.

I agree though, and do think there's clearly room for improvement for Jaylen in that department.

I don't remember Butler in his early years, but he could've been a good passer and it was only the lack of usage that was limiting those numbers. Brown just has a poor feel as a passer. Not sure why he's often the inbound passer. That's usually an adventure.

Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2017, 08:05:01 PM »

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To me, Jaylen's ceiling is 23-25 PPG scorer, and a guy who can rack 5-6 assists and 7-8 rebounds a game. But best of all, he will also be an ELITE two-way player.

Not the assists. He's a pretty poor passer.

Well, that's why I call it his "ceiling".

I compare Jaylen a lot to Jimmy Buckets, and even with Butler, his passing was somewhat poor to begin with and he only averaged like 2 assists/game his first three years. But his passing improved and now he averages like 4-6 assists/game.

I agree though, and do think there's clearly room for improvement for Jaylen in that department.

I don't remember Butler in his early years, but he could've been a good passer and it was only the lack of usage that was limiting those numbers. Brown just has a poor feel as a passer. Not sure why he's often the inbound passer. That's usually an adventure.

He's not being asked to make passes in our system yet. He's not running the pick-and-roll at all. Go back and look at his college stats and highlights and it becomes obvious that he has a good feel for basic passes.

Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2017, 08:10:34 PM »

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To me, Jaylen's ceiling is 23-25 PPG scorer, and a guy who can rack 5-6 assists and 7-8 rebounds a game. But best of all, he will also be an ELITE two-way player.

Not the assists. He's a pretty poor passer.

Well, that's why I call it his "ceiling".

I compare Jaylen a lot to Jimmy Buckets, and even with Butler, his passing was somewhat poor to begin with and he only averaged like 2 assists/game his first three years. But his passing improved and now he averages like 4-6 assists/game.

I agree though, and do think there's clearly room for improvement for Jaylen in that department.

I don't remember Butler in his early years, but he could've been a good passer and it was only the lack of usage that was limiting those numbers. Brown just has a poor feel as a passer. Not sure why he's often the inbound passer. That's usually an adventure.

He's not being asked to make passes in our system yet. He's not running the pick-and-roll at all. Go back and look at his college stats and highlights and it becomes obvious that he has a good feel for basic passes.

Yep, TPs to you both. Both are very true statements.

Either way, excited to see Brown's growth!  8)

Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2017, 08:10:45 PM »

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To me, Jaylen's ceiling is 23-25 PPG scorer, and a guy who can rack 5-6 assists and 7-8 rebounds a game. But best of all, he will also be an ELITE two-way player.

Not the assists. He's a pretty poor passer.

Well, that's why I call it his "ceiling".

I compare Jaylen a lot to Jimmy Buckets, and even with Butler, his passing was somewhat poor to begin with and he only averaged like 2 assists/game his first three years. But his passing improved and now he averages like 4-6 assists/game.

I agree though, and do think there's clearly room for improvement for Jaylen in that department.

I don't remember Butler in his early years, but he could've been a good passer and it was only the lack of usage that was limiting those numbers. Brown just has a poor feel as a passer. Not sure why he's often the inbound passer. That's usually an adventure.

He's not being asked to make passes in our system yet. He's not running the pick-and-roll at all. Go back and look at his college stats and highlights and it becomes obvious that he has a good feel for basic passes.

This is from Mike Schmitz in the article the OP is alluding to...

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Brown has never been the best decision-maker or most instinctual passer, so the lack of spacing led to far too many wild turnovers, charges or forced shots at the rim. He was regularly in foul trouble, and his poor 2-point percentage and assist-to-turnover ratio were largely the product of the system and lack of spacing, along with Brown's lack of overall polish and inconsistent approach.

Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2017, 08:10:50 PM »

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Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2017, 08:15:37 PM »

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I don't see why someone who's the #3 pick and having a very good second year at a very young age wouldn't be expected to develop into an all star. Isn't that kind of the assumption w drafting someone so high ?

Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2017, 08:43:19 PM »

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Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2017, 08:57:08 PM »

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I see the potential for a more Athletic Ron Artest.

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Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2017, 12:48:00 AM »

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The potential to be an all-star?  Yes.  His physical tools are elite.  At times he can play suffocating defense and turn that into quick points as we saw against the warriors and other teams during the streak.

Brown also has developed a nice 3 point stroke, hovering around 40% this season.  Does he need to improve FT shooting, yes, but I feel that's more of a matter of getting into a good routine and maintaining concentration.  His shooting stroke looks fundamentally sound.  Nothing whacky about it like a Lonzo Ball for instance.

Give it time.  I'm expecting 15-18ppg from Brown this season.  Next season, he could easily step into the 20+ ppg range and a borderline all-star as he grows into his capabilities and his body.  Remember he's still just age 21 this season.

Also note that there are not a lot of dominant players at the SG position in the East, so Brown could easily claim this position in probably his 3rd year in the NBA.

Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2017, 01:08:33 AM »

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The potential to be an all-star?  Yes.  His physical tools are elite.  At times he can play suffocating defense and turn that into quick points as we saw against the warriors and other teams during the streak.

Brown also has developed a nice 3 point stroke, hovering around 40% this season.  Does he need to improve FT shooting, yes, but I feel that's more of a matter of getting into a good routine and maintaining concentration.  His shooting stroke looks fundamentally sound.  Nothing whacky about it like a Lonzo Ball for instance.

Give it time.  I'm expecting 15-18ppg from Brown this season.  Next season, he could easily step into the 20+ ppg range and a borderline all-star as he grows into his capabilities and his body.  Remember he's still just age 21 this season.

Also note that there are not a lot of dominant players at the SG position in the East, so Brown could easily claim this position in probably his 3rd year in the NBA.

Agree with basically all of this. 
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Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2017, 01:17:30 AM »

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The potential to be an all-star?  Yes.  His physical tools are elite.  At times he can play suffocating defense and turn that into quick points as we saw against the warriors and other teams during the streak.

Brown also has developed a nice 3 point stroke, hovering around 40% this season.  Does he need to improve FT shooting, yes, but I feel that's more of a matter of getting into a good routine and maintaining concentration.  His shooting stroke looks fundamentally sound.  Nothing whacky about it like a Lonzo Ball for instance.

Give it time.  I'm expecting 15-18ppg from Brown this season.  Next season, he could easily step into the 20+ ppg range and a borderline all-star as he grows into his capabilities and his body.  Remember he's still just age 21 this season.

Also note that there are not a lot of dominant players at the SG position in the East, so Brown could easily claim this position in probably his 3rd year in the NBA.
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Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2017, 01:54:38 AM »

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At age 21 is there any player that projects closer to being at least a Jimmy Butler level All Star?

This kid is 6 months younger than Ben Simmons and i am hoping for a kawahi Leonard impact level guy.
Guards the best players in the world for 40 mins a gameband scores an efficient 23-25ppg.
Dudes got all the physical and mental tools to be that guy.
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Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2017, 03:03:28 AM »

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One of the main reasons, after Kyrie, why the Celtics are top of the East after losing Hayward is Brown. He has stood up and shown a lot of character from the start. He has overcome personal loss to maintain his impact. He is smart, as shown be his ability to play in the system. People give due credit to the system but you still need players who can make the right decision.

Sorry, started ranting. Yes he can be an All Star based on what we have seen this season. Maybe not this season (though not totally out of the question) but sooner rather than later.

Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2017, 04:10:41 AM »

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I see Scottie Pippen in Jaylen's game. The type of game that will thrive in being a great, all-round player but will require a more dominant offensive partner to thrive. I don't see his game evolving to the point that he gets constant double teams and his stats remain impressive... luckily for him I'm seeing a future with Kyrie, Tatum and Horford, so he'll be fine as second option.

Definitely AllStar talent with Hall of Fame potential... if he plays on the right teams

Re: Does Jaylen Brown Have All-Star Talent?
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2017, 07:43:23 AM »

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He certainly has All-Star talent and athletic ability.   He only has one year of NBA experience under his belt.  So I do not think we are at his ceiling.   He improved aspects of his game quite a bit from last year.   I don't cringe as much when he dribbles or shoots a three, now.   That in itself, is a great metric that he demonstrates that he will continue to improve year to year and add things to his game.

              2017        2016
3p%       41.5%     37.1%
Points      15.9        8.5
Rebounds 6.3         3.5

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brownja02.html

So he has improved some, in fact, it is a nice little leap.   He should continue to do so provided he maintains his work ethic.   My son and I harbor hope that Tatum will make the same kind of leap next year and if he does look out.  Note that this does not even take into account Jaylen's defense which is superb most of the time.

The trouble is, that he plays a position loaded with talent and athletic ability.   That makes it hard to make a team when you're young.  But I maintain he has the talent to make the team someday.