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Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2017, 02:39:03 PM »

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I honestly think neither party has the right plan for America anymore.   Liberal or Conservative it does not matter, both sides just go for their ideology and there is no compromise or consensus for the common good.   Neither side can agree on the common good.  Both sides play identity politics that divide people on their respective hedge issues.

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A market crash is a buying opportunity for me.

I am watching for the market to crash and then buy in as well.   I think it is coming.

I think better results occur for most Americans when policy lands somewhere in between the two major ideologies -- and when politicians employ pragmatism rather than riding pure ideology to policy decisions.   There are some fundamental differences in the ways Americans think, but there also is enough commonness for those currently divided to step closer together.  We in deep need of some admirable non-extreme leadership.

Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2017, 04:07:13 PM »

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not sure which thread this post is best suited for, but here it is, a tweet by judd legum. lavar and many others were correct:

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/933542007133409280/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.rawgit.com%2Fs9e%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fmaster%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23933542007133409280


LaVar was right https://goo.gl/BmufMQ

also...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/world/asia/china-ucla-human-rights.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

and while i am at it, this too:

Greg Sargent

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Trump's rage-tweets about LaVar Ball are part of a pattern.

Trump regularly attacks high-profile African Americans to feed his supporters' belief that the system is rigged for minorities:http://wapo.st/2hMTdcx
 
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Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2017, 07:14:30 PM »

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The top 1% no longer invest in the American economy. They invest in much moreprofitable international endeavors or horde the money. Giving them a 15% cut just does not help America it only helps the ultra rich.

While i agree that internatioanl investment is currently better than domestic, this is an overall nonsense talking point. No fortune was ever earned by saving because you'll rarely beat inflation and it's too slow. The top 1% are there because they either have high income jobs and/or high income investments. Any half decent investor will never pit all eggs in one basket. I currently invest about 40% in strictly foreign investments. The other 60 is in America. But as an American, all gains are still taxed. Even people like my folks who don't believe in investments outside of CDs are still investing in the economy. Their money is being lent by banks to people looking for a house or to start a business. No one of any reasonable intelligence hoards money under their mattress. I mean theyll at least put the FDIC 100k guaranteed in as many banks as you can find. That way you won't at least lose that badly to inflation. Given today's interest rates, sitting on cash or buying CDs is about the worst thing that you can do. You can't possibly beat inflation that way.
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Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2017, 07:33:44 PM »

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I honestly think neither party has the right plan for America anymore.   Liberal or Conservative it does not matter, both sides just go for their ideology and there is no compromise or consensus for the common good.   Neither side can agree on the common good.  Both sides play identity politics that divide people on their respective hedge issues.

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A market crash is a buying opportunity for me.

I am watching for the market to crash and then buy in as well.   I think it is coming.

You too, huh? I'm often puzzled by hardcore liberals and conservatives unable to identify ONE good thing about the opposing ideology. I can't even begin to understand how polarized people are. Here's one: I support gay marriage and tax cuts. I support abortion rights but think that it is immoral. There used to be a point in time that if any politician democrat or republican even hinted at raising taxes, they'd get next to no votes. I have no idea how the masses became brainwashed to support legalized robbery and even celebrate when it happens. Class warfare is the most dangerous and lasting legacy of the Democratic Party. Having said that, one thing I love about democrats is at least they pay for their spending wastes.

Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2017, 08:05:52 PM »

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Glad to see Lavar taking the high road, here.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/11/21/lavar-ball-donald-trump-happy-thanksgiving-mobile-moment-sot-cuomo-intv-ctn.cnn

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Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2017, 12:04:18 AM »

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The top 1% no longer invest in the American economy. They invest in much moreprofitable international endeavors or horde the money. Giving them a 15% cut just does not help America it only helps the ultra rich.

Plus the fact that the real tax rate for corporations prior to the propsed 15% cut was, what, 18-20%, anyway, so all of that is really nothing more than window dressing, imo, and the only field/industry that actually benefits from these "job creators" ::) getting to pay even less, now, is accounting, lol, in order to find any other possible loopholes for these greedy pricks.  Brb, charting new career path... ::)

Seriously, though, the underlying problem, to me, regarding taxes and the deficit is the fact that this country was founded by a bunch of political and religious wack jobs who just never wanted to pay for anything.  Not in the 18th century, when the 13 colonies had the lowest taxes in the British Empire, iirc - or at least they were among the lowest - and certainly not today, either.  Paul Ryan can talk all he wants about people getting an extra $700 in "take-home pay" that will help citizens save for retirement, etc., wait, I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing.  How, exactly, does he see that happening, given that wages have been largely stagnant for decades?  Does he think that these corporations will just "make it rain on dem h0es"?  Just stop it, already.  If he was really interested in saving people money, we should just copy the UK's NHS, as according to a 2015 article from Business Insider,

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There is no such thing as a "free," of course, but the per-capita cost of healthcare in the UK (paid by the government via tax collections) is generally lower than the US, according to the World Health Organization. Americans spend $8,362 per capita on healthcare annually, the Brits spend $3,480.

http://www.businessinsider.com/an-american-uses-britain-nhs-2015-1

I don't know about you, but I'd save close to $5000 a year in real money than depend on Paul Ryan's 700 "magic bucks", or tokens, or whatever you want to call them, from ever materializing.

Unfortunately, healthcare such as that comes about via general taxation in the UK, so Americans, who, ironically, are, if not the most generous people, then certainly at the top insofar as donations are concerned, on the planet in the wake of natural disasters, would have to pay higher taxes so that EVERYONE, including the taxpayers, themselves, BENEFITS, but apparently it has been decided in this country that "sharing is caring" + a genuine sense of community = socialism.  Huh?  Forgive me, but something just doesn't compute, here, and I'll never understand that mentality.

For example, my uncle once complained about having to pay for mammograms and pap smears due to Obamacare, going on about, "why should I have to pay for someone else's tests (or whatever the specific vernacular in question was.  I can't exactly remember as it was a year or two ago)," and what he doesn't understand is the flip side - that women would have to pay for his prostate exams, etc.  That's how it works, but the disconnect, among other things (and there are many of those, trust me, lol), is truly astonishing.

I mean, do people really enjoy having to pay more for worse treatment as well as being at the mercy of the insurance companies, not to mention all of the paperwork and crap, because I don't.  In our state, a seven week standoff between the largest insurer (I think) and many of the state's biggest hospitals just ended, which is beyond ridiculous.  Not only could people not get the treatment where they had scheduled their appointments, etc., but because they had to seek other avenues and were "out of network", they had to pay higher rates, and in life-threatening/critical situations/treatments.  Worst of all, because it's private insurance, the state government couldn't intervene, or at least they opted not to do so, leaving people at the mercy of these insurance monsters.  Is that acceptable to you, because it's not to me, but I doubt that anything will ever change, as whether it's healthcare and guns, America is like Charlie Brown and the football, except that we've now landed on our head so many times that we've suffered actual brain damage and are no longer capable of seeing the error of our ways.  Ugh.

Okay, rant over.  Sorry about that.

Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2017, 09:37:46 AM »

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We become a nation of spoiled brats and unfortunately, this has spilled over to many in Congress and politics in general.   Ball vs. Trump would be more entertaining than Hillary vs. Trump but I can't say it would be good for the country.

How about those Congressmen settling sexual harassment with our tax dollars.   I think eveyone of them who did this ought to be out of Congress who has done that regardless of party!

Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2017, 09:44:53 AM »

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Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2017, 09:47:57 AM »

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Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2017, 10:08:57 AM »

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Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2017, 11:40:25 AM »

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I honestly think neither party has the right plan for America anymore.   Liberal or Conservative it does not matter, both sides just go for their ideology and there is no compromise or consensus for the common good.   Neither side can agree on the common good.  Both sides play identity politics that divide people on their respective hedge issues.

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A market crash is a buying opportunity for me.

I am watching for the market to crash and then buy in as well.   I think it is coming.

You too, huh? I'm often puzzled by hardcore liberals and conservatives unable to identify ONE good thing about the opposing ideology. I can't even begin to understand how polarized people are. Here's one: I support gay marriage and tax cuts. I support abortion rights but think that it is immoral. There used to be a point in time that if any politician democrat or republican even hinted at raising taxes, they'd get next to no votes. I have no idea how the masses became brainwashed to support legalized robbery and even celebrate when it happens. Class warfare is the most dangerous and lasting legacy of the Democratic Party. Having said that, one thing I love about democrats is at least they pay for their spending wastes.

Bingo. I'm socially extremely liberal (As long as what you do doesn't affect me, I'm totally good with it.) and fiscally moderate, although I tend to lean left. I usually vote Democrat, but I've also voted for Weld and Baker as MA governor.

I think a candidate who leaned left socially and right fiscally could do very well nationally. I'd certainly consider voting for somebody like that.

The problem, of course, is that we've become so partisan that such a candidate would never make it out of the primaries.

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Re: Donald Trump vs Laval Ball 2020 election
« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2017, 07:01:48 AM »

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I'll just throw this here, not on-topic but didn't want to create a new thread.

https://twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/941484131757838337