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Are We Sure Marcus Smart Is Going To Get A Ton In RFA??
« on: November 22, 2017, 09:01:28 PM »

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I mean, I get it, he makes the winning plays late in games, his hustle is admirable, and he's a gritty defender (sort of like "our version of Draymond Green or Tony Allen")

But it looks like his shooting has shown NO improvement, and might actually be a lot worse than before  :o

Most (including me) speculated he could get a contract of 4 years, 75M+ in RFA from either the C's or another team (as his market value, and based on what a few other "similar" players have received in the recent months).

Maybe that's not the case anymore. Obviously, still a long way to go this season, but if his shooting remains relatively poor all season, I think even bad teams w/cap won't offer Smart that big of a contract, and so maybe we can keep him w/Bird Rights on a 4 year deal worth less than 16M/year, OR maybe even Smart pulls off a "Nerlens Noel" and signs a prove-it deal with the Qualifying offer?

Either way, looks like Ainge was wise to not bother with contract negotiations with Smart in October, and to take a risk and see how Smart does THIS season.

Smart will get paid, but I doubt he's getting paid THAT much the way he's been playing. Just my thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2017, 09:05:17 PM »

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Lol go figure, I make this post, and now Smart is heating up in the 3rd quarter...  :P
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2017, 09:06:29 PM »

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His shooting definitely has regressed

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Look at his FG% by distance. It's disgusting.

27% from the field and 26% from deep, and he takes 10 FGA's per game. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2017, 09:08:16 PM »

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His shooting definitely has regressed

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Look at his FG% by distance. It's disgusting.

27% from the field and 26% from deep, and he takes 10 FGA's per game.

Exactly.

I love Smart, but honestly, if he does leave for something like 4 Years, 80M, I won't lose much sleep.

That's assuming his shooting and shooting %'s remain relatively low, of course.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2017, 09:08:51 PM »

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His shooting definitely has regressed

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Look at his FG% by distance. It's disgusting.

27% from the field and 26% from deep, and he takes 10 FGA's per game.

Exactly.

I love Smart, but honestly, if he does leave for something like 4 Years, 80M, I won't lose much sleep.
The GM that gives him that contract certainly will
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2017, 09:14:04 PM »

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His shooting definitely has regressed

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/smartma01.html

Look at his FG% by distance. It's disgusting.

27% from the field and 26% from deep, and he takes 10 FGA's per game.

Exactly.

I love Smart, but honestly, if he does leave for something like 4 Years, 80M, I won't lose much sleep.
The GM that gives him that contract certainly will

LOL.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2017, 09:21:25 PM »

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maybe we can keep him w/Bird Rights on a 4 year deal worth less than 16M/year

This is the lowest you think Smart will get paid? I have always thought he would be lucky to get a $40m/4 yrs...maybe, possibly, crazily $48m/4 yrs. I love Smart, but he has like the opposite of an offensive game.

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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2017, 09:22:48 PM »

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maybe we can keep him w/Bird Rights on a 4 year deal worth less than 16M/year

This is the lowest you think Smart will get paid? I have always thought he would be lucky to get a $40m/4 yrs...maybe, possibly, crazily $48m/4 yrs. I love Smart, but he has like the opposite of an offensive game.

Hey, if we can keep Smart at 4/48M, I'd be ecstatic!

But with Olynyk at 4/50M, I feel Smart will likely get 4/60M as "benchmark".
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2017, 09:27:35 PM »

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I'm not giving him more than 4/48. I just don't know how you give some one shooting under than 30% more than 12 million a year. He's olny a useful player for teams that are already in contention where his clutch ability actually matters, and teams like that don't generally have a lot of cap room. More than that, and I'm comfortable letting him walk.

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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2017, 09:28:42 PM »

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I'm not giving him more than 4/48. I just don't know how you give some one shooting under than 30% more than 12 million a year. He's olny a useful player for teams that are already in contention where his clutch ability actually matters, and teams like that don't generally have a lot of cap room. More than that, and I'm comfortable letting him walk.

Even if Smart's shooting improves slightly, I agree. My absolute best offer for him is 4/52M. If another team offers 4/60M+ and Smart's shooting is still bad, BYE.
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I'm not giving him more than 4/48. I just don't know how you give some one shooting under than 30% more than 12 million a year. He's olny a useful player for teams that are already in contention where his clutch ability actually matters, and teams like that don't generally have a lot of cap room. More than that, and I'm comfortable letting him walk.

Even if Smart's shooting improves slightly, I agree. My absolute best offer for him is 4/52M. If another team offers 4/60M+ and Smart's shooting is still bad, BYE.

I have yet to hear/read a compelling reason he will get more than the MLE.

A crap team with cap space might blow it on him for 'culture' and 'leadership,' and to stay above the floor, for a short deal. But as Steve Kerr says, there are no role players on bad teams. He is most useful on a playoff team, and they are usually over the cap.

So MLE is the market rate.

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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2017, 10:04:17 PM »

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When Hayward comes back we will have less use for a 20% shooter like marcus

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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2017, 10:11:02 PM »

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he won't get a ton of money.  likely something like 12-13 mill per year for 4 years.  he does so much on the court to impact winning despite his shooting.

on a team that used him differently, like strictly within 16 feet of the basket, he'd look a lot better

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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2017, 10:28:26 PM »

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LOL 3-9 is "heating it up" for Marcus.

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2017, 10:39:47 PM »

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I don't see how he could get offered a ton. Teams don't usually offer big bucks for defense-only players. And it's not as though he shoots poorly on a small number of shots—he shoots poorly on high volume and keeps on shooting.
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