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Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #30 on: November 22, 2017, 01:21:27 PM »

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If we need a scoring point guard why are we trading for one? we have an open roster spot that we can use.

Highly likely thought that this is not a priority for us and the length of Rozier is worth more to Brad than the scoring... but I guess these threads are going to come thick and fast at the moment..

Because Barea is a really good player on a really good contract.  Heís certainly better than Rozier.

Is he?  In both wins shares and box score plus/minus, Rozier beats Barea.  His defense measures as a bigger asset than Barea's offense.

These stats are to be taken with a grain of salt, especially this early in this season, but they do suggest that Barea > Rozier isn't a slam dunk at all.

Win shares are based upon wins. The Mavs have three of them, the Celts have 16.


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Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2017, 01:27:16 PM »

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I've happily moved away from undersized PGs, no need to return to it with the way our defense has been playing.

Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2017, 02:48:54 PM »

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I've happily moved away from undersized PGs, no need to return to it with the way our defense has been playing.

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Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2017, 02:59:05 PM »

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If we need a scoring point guard why are we trading for one? we have an open roster spot that we can use.

Highly likely thought that this is not a priority for us and the length of Rozier is worth more to Brad than the scoring... but I guess these threads are going to come thick and fast at the moment..

Because Barea is a really good player on a really good contract.  Heís certainly better than Rozier.

Is he?  In both wins shares and box score plus/minus, Rozier beats Barea.  His defense measures as a bigger asset than Barea's offense.

These stats are to be taken with a grain of salt, especially this early in this season, but they do suggest that Barea > Rozier isn't a slam dunk at all.

Win shares are based upon wins. The Mavs have three of them, the Celts have 16.

That was true for baseball, but basketball win shares are a bit different.  The sum of win shares for a team is a good appproximation for the number of wins on a team, but thatís an after-the-fact test, not an a priori as in the baseball version.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html

Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2017, 03:30:31 PM »

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It's a good trade idea.... but I wouldn't be any rush to do it. It's a win now type move, the team is currently already winning. But maybe as the playoffs get closer and a different player could put us in the finals... it's a good trade. Price seems sorta high currently for a journeyman, but could see that price being lower later in the season.

Danny's best move right now is patience.

Fan's best move right now, enjoy the ride and who is on it now.

I'm not sure what you think a fair price for one of the best backup PG's in the league is, but my guess is Dallas wouldn't even accept the offer anyway. They have zero need for Rozier.

I agree Danny likely won't be trading any assets, as I doubt he sees the team as worthy of spending assets on.

For fans, it's all a matter of perspective. Some fans are content with whatever the roster is, some fans like to discuss ways to improve areas of weakness. Backup guard is absolutely a weakness in this team righting now. We have no one on the bench who can come in and reliably get their own shot or create offense for others.

The price is whatever the market bears out.... The Mavs appear to be on the fast track for the lottery. Not sure what value one of the best back up pint point guards in the league has for them. A 2nd rounder and some middling prospects? Sure. I guess the bigger question is how much do you value Rozier. I think that is the real impetus to starting this thread. The OP and others would like to move on from Rozier.

And I have no problem w arm chair GMing. It's fun to read the ideas. Admittedly I have no skill or greater NBA knowledge for the intricacies. I'm sure Danny isn't sitting on his laurels and is still evaluating trade ideas, so fans should have fun doing the same. It just seems like so many Boston fans are never happy enough. There is always something or someone to complain about. I try not to work to hard to be happier than happy. A league best winning streak makes me happy!

Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2017, 05:20:46 PM »

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I've happily moved away from undersized PGs, no need to return to it with the way our defense has been playing.

This. You can get away with a couple of rotation guys under 6-6/6-7, but for the most you need length, and lots of it.
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Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2017, 05:54:58 PM »

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I doubt Dallas would deal with us after the Rondo trade.

Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2017, 06:22:18 PM »

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Barea has had a nice season for him but I'm not sure I want to give up young assets for a 33 year old career backup on one of the worst teams in the league. Is he really the best option out there for some bench scoring? And is his scoring that much better than Rozier's that it makes up for Rozier's superior defense and rebounding?

Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2017, 06:28:30 PM »

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I would say no as well.  Barea 4-5 years ago, maybe??.  Today?  No.

Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2017, 09:15:12 PM »

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All these people bringing up defense, and yet just ignore the true problem. BENCH SCORING.

If the price is cheap, SIGN ME UP!

Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2017, 09:17:06 PM »

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Is Barea even that much better than Larkin at this point?

Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2017, 09:22:59 PM »

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Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #42 on: November 22, 2017, 09:24:41 PM »

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Is Barea even that much better than Larkin at this point?


Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2017, 09:27:32 PM »

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Is Barea even that much better than Larkin at this point?
Unequivocally yes
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Re: Trade idea: Barea
« Reply #44 on: November 27, 2017, 12:03:42 PM »

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If we need a scoring point guard why are we trading for one? we have an open roster spot that we can use.

Highly likely thought that this is not a priority for us and the length of Rozier is worth more to Brad than the scoring... but I guess these threads are going to come thick and fast at the moment..

Because Barea is a really good player on a really good contract.  Heís certainly better than Rozier.

Is he?  In both wins shares and box score plus/minus, Rozier beats Barea.  His defense measures as a bigger asset than Barea's offense.

These stats are to be taken with a grain of salt, especially this early in this season, but they do suggest that Barea > Rozier isn't a slam dunk at all.

Win shares are based upon wins. The Mavs have three of them, the Celts have 16.

That was true for baseball, but basketball win shares are a bit different.  The sum of win shares for a team is a good appproximation for the number of wins on a team, but thatís an after-the-fact test, not an a priori as in the baseball version.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ws.html
it isn't exactly equal but as they say if a team has 50 wins the WS from the players will be approximately 50 and if you look at the Mavs and C's thus far this year, you can see that is approximately the case. 
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