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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2017, 08:55:14 AM »

Offline Green-18

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I'm trying to not criticize Stevens because there is a method to his madness.

I think he wants Kyrie fresh at the end of games.

I'm trying to figure out how we can get Smart not to shoot so much. He's DJ...he will hit them when it counts but boy last night I was losing it.

I think the real solution to limiting Marcus' shots is to improve the assertiveness of the rest of the bench.  Turnovers and poor shots are still a frequent result even when Marcus isn't the one who takes the shot.  When Horford and Kyrie are out of the game we lose our sense of purpose.  Morris is capable of providing a spark but most of it is done out of isolation when he is with the bench, which you can't rely on every night.  There really isn't an easy answer to this.  Marcus is the only bench player that can run all of our sets but he isn't a threat to shoot.  Larkin has been solid in spurts but you would get diminishing returns if he played more minutes.


Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2017, 09:17:25 AM »

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I agree, it's really annoying. He also leaves garbage lineups in for way too long
Yeah, and it kills our win/lose record too! ::)
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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2017, 09:18:47 AM »

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Remember when Bird would play 53 minutes including OT.
And, was this before or after he back gave out from so many Minutes?
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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2017, 09:29:29 AM »

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Two thoughts on this:

1. Our young guys need reps with the ball in their hands. Its November, not April. If they are going to develop, it will be because they get more second quarter reps on a Monday in November.
2. We have been able to win late in games precisely because Al and Kyrie are rested, and Brown and Tatum have young legs. We might improve our second quarter if we put our top guys in sooner, but the end score would be impacted. Its like a race. The Celtics pace themselves and run their own speed, knowing that other teams don't have the depth of talent or the energy in their top-end talent to keep up with them.
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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2017, 09:42:26 AM »

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First off, Larry Bird hurt his back paving his mother's drive way during the off season.  His minutes weren't the problem.  Also, the way he played, all the diving fornloose balls and what not, did not help the situation. 

Second, limiting guys minutes is why they have been so good in the 4th quarter these past few years.  Guys are fresh.  Also, he needs to develop the bench and find out who can help the team and what combos work. 

Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #20 on: November 21, 2017, 09:54:45 AM »

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This is so annoying he has it going. Heís killing it and Brad sits him and sits him and sits him. I think this might be the first night of back to back but it isnít just happening this game he does it a lot.
He left him in the whole first quarter because Kyrie was on fire, that's a departure from the rotation of the same kind you are asking for.

Its pretty clear that the C's are committed to keeping their players at around 32 MPG and from a long view perspective I think that's a good approach. This is a young team that expects to be playing deep into the playoffs, keep guys healthy/fresh.

Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2017, 09:56:51 AM »

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First off, Larry Bird hurt his back paving his mother's drive way during the off season.  His minutes weren't the problem.  Also, the way he played, all the diving fornloose balls and what not, did not help the situation. 

Second, limiting guys minutes is why they have been so good in the 4th quarter these past few years.  Guys are fresh.  Also, he needs to develop the bench and find out who can help the team and what combos work.
Cumulative wear and tear absolutely contribute to accute injuries. The research on this is pretty clear. Its also become clear that when you're exhausted injury chance also goes up.

Two excellent reasons to keep the minutes in the mid 30s on your best players.

Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2017, 10:03:06 AM »

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Should be the opposite, we should be praising Brad for managing minutes while still getting wins

Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2017, 10:13:16 AM »

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It's so that he's fresh for the clutch minutes, and long-term for the playoffs. But the last couple games are also because Brad, like a lot of coaches, tries to steal minutes for the deep rotation guys against crappy opponents.

Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2017, 10:35:38 AM »

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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2017, 10:35:40 AM »

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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2017, 10:51:56 AM »

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It hasn't affected us so far, so I don't mind it. If Kyrie comes in into the 4th quarter well rested, it's all the better. Let's also remember that Irving has injury history too, so it's best to not run him to the ground, especially this early.

But with that said, I think this is whey we, atleast for this season, could use another guy that can score coming off the bench. While it has not affected us so far, it's also worth adding to our strength and be able to keep doing this without having any setbacks in the next coming games.

He's averaging 31 minutes per game. If we can sustain the winning and keep doing this after the 82 games, he's going to be relatively fresh for the Playoffs.
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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2017, 10:55:52 AM »

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I was getting worried there would be nothing to overreact to during this 16 game win streak, 5th longest in Celtics history. Break out the pitchforks boys, it's time to take Stevens down for his lineups that keep winning games!

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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2017, 11:08:01 AM »

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Kyrie is playing 31.5 minutes a game. That's inclusive of one game where he played fewer than two minutes. Take out that game and Kyrie is playing 33.5 minutes a game which is on par with IT's 33.8 last year. It's not like he's sitting on the bench for an excessive amount of time.

It's also important to remember that Kyrie has missed 22+ games in a season 3 times in his career - 50% of his seasons he played in fewer than 60 games. So keeping the guy fairly rested isn't a bad thing.

The real issue is the lack of consistent scoring from the backcourt when Kyrie (and Brown) are sitting. Rozier and Smart are having a difficult time hitting the side of a barn. Opponents know this and can sag on guys like Tatum (who is still learning the NBA game) and Morris to prevent them from scoring. That's why the whole offense bogs down and makes it more noticeable when those guys are sitting.
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Re: Why does Brad sit Kyrie for soooo long?
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2017, 11:28:38 AM »

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I think with so much emphasis on defense, Brad sits the starters longer if he sees them giving all that effort. It'd be ok if they just ran up and down the court trading baskets but playing defense consistently takes a lot out of you. I don't totally disagree with him playing guys shorter minutes. It's not like he's only playing Kyrie and other starters 35 minutes per game (edit: this sentence was sarcasm). It's a long season and hopefully even longer for us.