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Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« on: November 20, 2017, 02:23:20 PM »

Offline Diggles

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Here is a trade idea ~

We give up our Lakers 2018 pick Abdel Nader and G Yabusele for Dirk and the DPE for Noel.   

Dallas goes into full rebuild and sends Dirk to a us a contender.....   Him and Noel have a no trade clause.   

Is that enough? Is it to much.   Thoughts?     I would have to think real hard about that.   Does Dirk put us over the top?  Is it worth a chance at a top player in this years, or next years draft?   

I can't decide.   

Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2017, 02:26:01 PM »

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No way.

Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2017, 02:30:55 PM »

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That is my gut reaction too.    I do not see Dirk moving the needle that much in reality vs on paper.    The idea is if Noel is worth having on the roster and gives us a better chance at resigning him next year.   

But then you have to decide on Smart or Noel.   or neither...

That pick could be a great cost controlled young Future piece of the Celtics for 4 years....

Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2017, 02:33:11 PM »

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Noel is not going to waive his no trade.  Really hurts him financially in the offseason.  I can't imagine Dirk will either, but I'd be ok with Dirk as a bench scoring big.  Not for the Lakers/Kings pick though. 
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Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2017, 02:34:28 PM »

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That is my gut reaction too.    I do not see Dirk moving the needle that much in reality vs on paper.    The idea is if Noel is worth having on the roster and gives us a better chance at resigning him next year.   

But then you have to decide on Smart or Noel.   or neither...

That pick could be a great cost controlled young Future piece of the Celtics for 4 years....
Boston can't sign Noel in the off season unless he signs for one of the exceptions Boston has.  If Noel is traded the acquiring team does not have his Bird rights and thus can only sign him as they could any other free agent from another team.  That is why Noel will not waive his no trade clause.
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Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2017, 02:37:49 PM »

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give up a possible top 5 pick plus, for a 39 year old player who will be with the team less than a season? i doubt ainge will make this move.

for the offer the OP puts forth, the celtics could get a lot better return.
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Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2017, 02:38:00 PM »

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That is my gut reaction too.    I do not see Dirk moving the needle that much in reality vs on paper.    The idea is if Noel is worth having on the roster and gives us a better chance at resigning him next year.   

But then you have to decide on Smart or Noel.   or neither...

That pick could be a great cost controlled young Future piece of the Celtics for 4 years....
Boston can't sign Noel in the off season unless he signs for one of the exceptions Boston has.  If Noel is traded the acquiring team does not have his Bird rights and thus can only sign him as they could any other free agent from another team.  That is why Noel will not waive his no trade clause.

What good are his bird rights in Dallas if they are not going to sign him? They are not even playing him which is going to hurt the offers he would get this season. His best bet in my opinion would definitely be going somewhere where he gets minutes to show his value even if loses bird rights.

Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2017, 02:43:20 PM »

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That is my gut reaction too.    I do not see Dirk moving the needle that much in reality vs on paper.    The idea is if Noel is worth having on the roster and gives us a better chance at resigning him next year.   

But then you have to decide on Smart or Noel.   or neither...

That pick could be a great cost controlled young Future piece of the Celtics for 4 years....
Boston can't sign Noel in the off season unless he signs for one of the exceptions Boston has.  If Noel is traded the acquiring team does not have his Bird rights and thus can only sign him as they could any other free agent from another team.  That is why Noel will not waive his no trade clause.

What good are his bird rights in Dallas if they are not going to sign him? They are not even playing him which is going to hurt the offers he would get this season. His best bet in my opinion would definitely be going somewhere where he gets minutes to show his value even if loses bird rights.
sign and trade.  opens up a lot more possible locations
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Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2017, 02:49:19 PM »

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Worst trade idea ever.

If we trade for Noel, we won't have his Bird rights. Given that we don't have cap space either, we will lose him for nothing in a few months time.

Not to mention

-we should never trade the Lakers/Kings pick for Noel anyway
-Dirk has a no trade clause. He has already won a championship in Dallas and it's highly likely he wants to retire there
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2017, 02:51:04 PM »

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Dirk is toast. Why on earth would we trade for him? And a potentially high pick at that.

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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2017, 02:57:24 PM »

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Dirk is literally only playing for stat padding and to be on the “same franchise records” as well as his scoring records

Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2017, 02:58:00 PM »

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That is my gut reaction too.    I do not see Dirk moving the needle that much in reality vs on paper.    The idea is if Noel is worth having on the roster and gives us a better chance at resigning him next year.   

But then you have to decide on Smart or Noel.   or neither...

That pick could be a great cost controlled young Future piece of the Celtics for 4 years....
Boston can't sign Noel in the off season unless he signs for one of the exceptions Boston has.  If Noel is traded the acquiring team does not have his Bird rights and thus can only sign him as they could any other free agent from another team.  That is why Noel will not waive his no trade clause.

What good are his bird rights in Dallas if they are not going to sign him? They are not even playing him which is going to hurt the offers he would get this season. His best bet in my opinion would definitely be going somewhere where he gets minutes to show his value even if loses bird rights.
sign and trade.  opens up a lot more possible locations

I think him playing 25 minutes a night somewhere would open up a lot more possible locations than a sign and trade. Nobody is going to offer him more than the mid-level exception at this point so that makes cap space for sign and trades pretty irrelevant...

Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2017, 03:06:13 PM »

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The trade ideas people come up with boggle my mind.

Re: Dirk and Noel for the 2018 Title Run
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I was looking up salaries last night and was shocked to find out Dirk has made 256million in career salary in the NBA.  That is a lot of money for being tall and able to shoot a basketball.

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2017, 03:25:42 PM »

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That is my gut reaction too.    I do not see Dirk moving the needle that much in reality vs on paper.    The idea is if Noel is worth having on the roster and gives us a better chance at resigning him next year.   

But then you have to decide on Smart or Noel.   or neither...

That pick could be a great cost controlled young Future piece of the Celtics for 4 years....
Boston can't sign Noel in the off season unless he signs for one of the exceptions Boston has.  If Noel is traded the acquiring team does not have his Bird rights and thus can only sign him as they could any other free agent from another team.  That is why Noel will not waive his no trade clause.

What good are his bird rights in Dallas if they are not going to sign him? They are not even playing him which is going to hurt the offers he would get this season. His best bet in my opinion would definitely be going somewhere where he gets minutes to show his value even if loses bird rights.
sign and trade.  opens up a lot more possible locations

I think him playing 25 minutes a night somewhere would open up a lot more possible locations than a sign and trade. Nobody is going to offer him more than the mid-level exception at this point so that makes cap space for sign and trades pretty irrelevant...
you can't know what some team will do.  I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him get 10 million a year from someone.  He is playing 14 mpg, I'm not so sure an extra 9 will have much effect on his future salary, but eliminating his sign and trade could significantly affect what he gets.  And here's the thing, coming to a team like Boston he isn't going to get 25 mpg.  He might not even get the 14 he is getting in Dallas.
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