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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #420 on: April 15, 2018, 08:39:51 PM »

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I can understand that point of view, however, his value will be less at the trade deadline than it will be this off season. If they think they are not going to keep him, it might make sense to make a trade now, depending on what is being offered. I also think that his production will be less with a healthy Kyrie, Gordon, and Marcus on the roster, which could also lower his value.

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« Reply #421 on: April 15, 2018, 08:56:56 PM »

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I can understand that point of view, however, his value will be less at the trade deadline than it will be this off season. If they think they are not going to keep him, it might make sense to make a trade now, depending on what is being offered. I also think that his production will be less with a healthy Kyrie, Gordon, and Marcus on the roster, which could also lower his value.
Pretty big assumption Smart will be on next year's team. I know everyone loves him but perhaps there is some crazy GM out there that decides to give him a way out of line offer. The Cs didn't extend him so the sides obviously thought there to be a difference in his value. Then he had another crappy shooting year, punched a picture putting him out for 11 games and then got injured and lost a chance to establish value. Smart could be gone, maybe via sign and trade for a star. Never know.

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« Reply #422 on: April 16, 2018, 10:20:53 AM »

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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #423 on: April 16, 2018, 11:52:22 AM »

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I love Terry but I feel like he's in the Schroder - Reggie Jackson - Bledsoe category of guys who provide a lot of value as a backup but would be unsatisfactory as a long term full time starter.
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« Reply #424 on: April 16, 2018, 12:04:19 PM »

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This cracked me up from yesterday - referencing Bledsoe's "trade me" Tweet from early in the season.




Terry had a very up-and-down game, but so did nearly every other main player other than Horford. He had a pretty big defensive lapse on the Brogdon 3 that originally tied it, he blew a great drive to the cup in OT, etc.  But much like those other guys he came through enough when it counted. Shaking Bledsoe that hard in that situation would be a legendary play for 90% of the teams in the league. Too bad our history gives us much higher standards  :)

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« Reply #425 on: April 16, 2018, 02:29:01 PM »

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I love Terry but I feel like he's in the Schroder - Reggie Jackson - Bledsoe category of guys who provide a lot of value as a backup but would be unsatisfactory as a long term full time starter.

I think there are a couple things wrong with this.

1) Reggie Jackson in his 1 healthy season with Detroit had a borderline all-star caliber year. A top-15 starting point guard.

2) Eric Bledsoe when healthy in Phoenix is a fantastic comp (although I don't think Terry quite reached Bledsoe's level defensively from his LAC days), but as a full time starter in Phoenix Bledsoe averaged like 19 pts, 5 boards and 6 assists. That's pretty freaking good.

But all that said, Terry might be best served as a sometimes-starting-but-primarily-backup point guard.  I could definitely see starting full time mitigating some of his strengths and exacerbating some of his weaknesses.

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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #426 on: April 16, 2018, 02:36:00 PM »

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I love Terry but I feel like he's in the Schroder - Reggie Jackson - Bledsoe category of guys who provide a lot of value as a backup but would be unsatisfactory as a long term full time starter.

I think there are a couple things wrong with this.

1) Reggie Jackson in his 1 healthy season with Detroit had a borderline all-star caliber year. A top-15 starting point guard.

2) Eric Bledsoe when healthy in Phoenix is a fantastic comp (although I don't think Terry quite reached Bledsoe's level defensively from his LAC days), but as a full time starter in Phoenix Bledsoe averaged like 19 pts, 5 boards and 6 assists. That's pretty freaking good.

But all that said, Terry might be best served as a sometimes-starting-but-primarily-backup point guard.  I could definitely see starting full time mitigating some of his strengths and exacerbating some of his weaknesses.

Rozier is averaging 18-5-6 since his triple double (29 games) per 36 minutes. Bledsoe averaged 20-7-5 per 36 in his time in Pheonix (playing most for a losing team). Jackson was at 22-7-4 per 36 in his big season. There just isn't a big difference there.

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« Reply #427 on: April 16, 2018, 02:38:00 PM »

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I love Terry but I feel like he's in the Schroder - Reggie Jackson - Bledsoe category of guys who provide a lot of value as a backup but would be unsatisfactory as a long term full time starter.

I think there are a couple things wrong with this.

1) Reggie Jackson in his 1 healthy season with Detroit had a borderline all-star caliber year. A top-15 starting point guard.

2) Eric Bledsoe when healthy in Phoenix is a fantastic comp (although I don't think Terry quite reached Bledsoe's level defensively from his LAC days), but as a full time starter in Phoenix Bledsoe averaged like 19 pts, 5 boards and 6 assists. That's pretty freaking good.

But all that said, Terry might be best served as a sometimes-starting-but-primarily-backup point guard.  I could definitely see starting full time mitigating some of his strengths and exacerbating some of his weaknesses.

1) One healthy season.  Inconsistency, injuries, and personality are all reasons why Reggie hasn't worked out as a starter, was better as a fiery backup.  Not a totally similar comp but I could see Terry having a similar result if he got a big contract to be a starter.

2) Bledsoe (when healthy) puts up good numbers, but I don't like him as a starting point guard.  Doesn't bring the kind of decision-making and efficiency I want from my point guard.  I think Terry is similar.  Ideal as a microwave scorer and defensive bull-dog off the bench.  Solid for spot starts.  Not the person you want full time at the point of attack.
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« Reply #428 on: April 17, 2018, 07:20:34 AM »

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I love Terry but I feel like he's in the Schroder - Reggie Jackson - Bledsoe category of guys who provide a lot of value as a backup but would be unsatisfactory as a long term full time starter.

I was thinking this exact thing yesterday. Rozier can undoubtedly be a starter in the NBA but if he's any higher than your, like, 5th best player your team probably isn't going far.
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« Reply #429 on: April 17, 2018, 07:58:34 AM »

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I love Terry but I feel like he's in the Schroder - Reggie Jackson - Bledsoe category of guys who provide a lot of value as a backup but would be unsatisfactory as a long term full time starter.

I was thinking this exact thing yesterday. Rozier can undoubtedly be a starter in the NBA but if he's any higher than your, like, 5th best player your team probably isn't going far.

While I agree that Terry is not a potential lead guard on a contending team. I will counter with:

You are not winning the chip if RW or JW are your best players too.
Even worse, they will NEVER agree not to be the main men.
While they will take the ball out of the hands of a superior player, even if you have him on the roster.
They will use 35% of teams space as well. 40 mil $.

RW (whom I dislike) plays PNR basically all the time, that is effective but simplified basketball IMO, 2-2. It has limits, it is predictible if you can't attack in any other way. No coach has been able to instill an offense in OKC. There is that 10 APG trap - since he is a selfish player.
JW (whom I like) acts like he is a 4 time MVP and 3 time champion when in fact he showed very little regarding winning basketball. He should have beaten us last year if he was that good.
His teammates (Porter, Gortat...) regard him selfish. 10 APG trap once again - selfish player.
Satoransky made his absence easy in the regular season.
Both of those guys can't or won't play off ball. Terry can.

That effectively makes TR better player.
He can accept his role.
Since there is at least proof for him to he can be a part of an offense that includes 5 players - all players not 2 or 3.
He might not be the best in the business, but he can be held accountable and hit a big shot and he will improve. I think that TR is a better, more willing defender that all of the aforementioned; Bledsoe, Jackson, Wall, RWbrook and Schroeder. That also makes him a better fit.

Better player, precisely more talented player in a salary cap league isn't necessarily a better player regarding team success.
And as a fan of a team first, I value and respect that more.
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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #430 on: April 17, 2018, 08:07:28 AM »

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I love Terry but I feel like he's in the Schroder - Reggie Jackson - Bledsoe category of guys who provide a lot of value as a backup but would be unsatisfactory as a long term full time starter.

I was thinking this exact thing yesterday. Rozier can undoubtedly be a starter in the NBA but if he's any higher than your, like, 5th best player your team probably isn't going far.

While I agree that Terry is not a potential lead guard on a contending team. I will counter with:

You are not winning the chip if RW or JW are your best players too.
Even worse, they will NEVER agree not to be the main men.
While they will take the ball out of the hands of a superior player, even if you have him on the roster.
They will use 35% of teams space as well. 40 mil $.

RW (whom I dislike) plays PNR basically all the time, that is effective but simplified basketball IMO, 2-2. It has limits, it is predictible if you can't attack in any other way. No coach has been able to instill an offense in OKC. There is that 10 APG trap - since he is a selfish player.
JW (whom I like) acts like he is a 4 time MVP and 3 time champion when in fact he showed very little regarding winning basketball. He should have beaten us last year if he was that good.
His teammates (Porter, Gortat...) regard him selfish. 10 APG trap once again - selfish player.
Satoransky made his absence easy in the regular season.
Both of those guys can't or won't play off ball. Terry can.

That effectively makes TR better player.
He can accept his role.
Since there is at least proof for him to he can be a part of an offense that includes 5 players - all players not 2 or 3.
He might not be the best in the business, but he can be held accountable and hit a big shot and he will improve. I think that TR is a better, more willing defender that all of the aforementioned; Bledsoe, Jackson, Wall, RWbrook and Schroeder. That also makes him a better fit.

Better player, precisely more talented player in a salary cap league isn't necessarily a better player regarding team success.
And as a fan of a team first, I value and respect that more.

You had me until you said "that effectively makes TR a better player".

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #431 on: April 17, 2018, 08:13:02 AM »

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I love Terry and he has had a great season.

However, Terry is a starting point guard on a non playoff team. He is a 6th man, well above averaged point guard on a playoff/contending team.

I think his role with the C's is perfect for him and that will continue into the future. 26+ minutes a night off the bench backing up Kyrie and playing some minutes alongside him.
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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #432 on: April 17, 2018, 09:23:03 AM »

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I love Terry and he has had a great season.

However, Terry is a starting point guard on a non playoff team. He is a 6th man, well above averaged point guard on a playoff/contending team.
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I think his role with the C's is perfect for him and that will continue into the future. 26+ minutes a night off the bench backing up Kyrie and playing some minutes alongside him.

In the era of "position-less" basketball I would argue that Rozier can be a starting PG on a very good playoff team.  Who knows, our injured group could potentially get to the Conference Finals.

I still agree with your overall sentiment though.  I can't see Terry running the offense as a full time starter on a successful playoff team.  His basketball IQ in the half court leaves a lot to be desired.  Fortunately he can make up for this on a good team with solid defense, excellent rebounding, and insane confidence in clutch moments.  It's not easy to find guards with all three of those skills.       

 

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« Reply #433 on: April 17, 2018, 09:46:15 AM »

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I remember when everyone was saying that Isaiah Thomas was a 6th man on a playoff team.

Turns out, he could lead a team to the ECF.

Sounds like the same lingo is used of Rozier now.

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« Reply #434 on: April 17, 2018, 09:51:08 AM »

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I love Terry and he has had a great season.

However, Terry is a starting point guard on a non playoff team. He is a 6th man, well above averaged point guard on a playoff/contending team.

I think his role with the C's is perfect for him and that will continue into the future. 26+ minutes a night off the bench backing up Kyrie and playing some minutes alongside him.

Terry is our starting point guard.

We are a play off team.

Even if you remove the games played by Kyrie Irving, we would still be considered a playoff team.

Continue to underestimate him.