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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #105 on: November 24, 2017, 09:37:15 AM »

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Rozier was a plus one last night and he made his free throws in the clutch.
I don't understand why Celtic fans hate their players.

Maybe it was the 2-for-8 shooting?

So? He's a plus 1 playing with the second unit.
Morris was a minus 12.

Mbah a Moute was a +57 for the Rockets the other night. Best player ever?

When you lose an argument on facts, change the subject.

Is 2-for-8 not a fact?

Is 33.7% FG% not a fact?

Offense matters.

8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 assist in 18 minutes and a plus 1.
We were outrebounded by 12. That is why we lost.
Rozier played well.

25% shooting is not “playing well”. He might have done some things well, but overall the number of shots he’s missing — especially in combination with Smart — hurts the team.

Misusing +/- doesn’t show us anything. Kyrie was -4. Was he worse than Rozier? Was he the same as Smart (also a -4)?

On the year, Rozier is +36 for a 16-3 team. That’s not all that special, especially considering that Shane Larkin is +35. It’s the worst for any guy on the team who has averaged at least as many minutes as Rozier.

Again, if you falsely equate positive plus-minus with positive impact, then Mbah a Moute positively contributed 150%+ more in one game than Rozier has all season.
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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #106 on: November 24, 2017, 11:08:20 AM »

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when a GUARD is averaging 33% in Field goal percentage that is bad. When you pair it with another guard averaging 25% it is even worse.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #107 on: November 24, 2017, 11:11:08 AM »

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when a GUARD is averaging 33% in Field goal percentage that is bad. When you pair it with another guard averaging 25% it is even worse.

Yeah, you can get away with one guard shooting that poorly, so long as they contribute in other areas. But you cannot have both your reserve guards shooting that poorly, it just puts so much pressure on everyone else to have to pick up the slack on offense.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #108 on: November 24, 2017, 11:16:40 AM »

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when a GUARD is averaging 33% in Field goal percentage that is bad. When you pair it with another guard averaging 25% it is even worse.

Yeah, you can get away with one guard shooting that poorly, so long as they contribute in other areas. But you cannot have both your reserve guards shooting that poorly, it just puts so much pressure on everyone else to have to pick up the slack on offense.

whats more frustrating is that even when brad is putting tatum/brown out there with them to try and boost the offense they just keep getting tunnel vision and bricking away. some of these games Rozier/smart are taking more shots that Tatum. I know brad says he just wants rozier/smart to take "good shots" but at some point you have to tell these guys to stop looking for their shot and just look to create for others.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #109 on: November 24, 2017, 12:03:11 PM »

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I didn't think that Rozier had all that exceptional defensive play last game. Dragic torched everyone in the first half and Waiters did the same thing in the second half. Rozier covered both players for long periods of time. Add that to his poor shooting and its not like Rozier had a very good game. Heck, except Tatum, I don't think anyone played well.
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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #110 on: November 24, 2017, 04:19:19 PM »

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Rozier was a plus one last night and he made his free throws in the clutch.
I don't understand why Celtic fans hate their players.

Maybe it was the 2-for-8 shooting?

So? He's a plus 1 playing with the second unit.
Morris was a minus 12.

TP and knock out.

Interpreting +/- without context - i.e. using it as an exclusive means of measuring performance - will lead to spurious conclusions.  The same is true for many individual sports stats.

I'm not sure how Rozier having a +1 for the game is by any means a solid argument that he had a good game.  He didn't.


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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #111 on: November 24, 2017, 05:36:59 PM »

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Rozier was a plus one last night and he made his free throws in the clutch.
I don't understand why Celtic fans hate their players.

Maybe it was the 2-for-8 shooting?

So? He's a plus 1 playing with the second unit.
Morris was a minus 12.

TP and knock out.

Interpreting +/- without context - i.e. using it as an exclusive means of measuring performance - will lead to spurious conclusions.  The same is true for many individual sports stats.

I'm not sure how Rozier having a +1 for the game is by any means a solid argument that he had a good game.  He didn't.

8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 assist in 18 minutes and a plus 1.
We were outrebounded by 12. That is why we lost.
Rozier played well.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #112 on: November 24, 2017, 06:19:23 PM »

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I am and always will be. Rozier > Smart. Rozier just needs to analyze and calm done.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #113 on: November 24, 2017, 06:59:52 PM »

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I'd like to trade him and Smart for a veteran backup PG that is steady can pass, shoot and be a positive influence.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #114 on: November 24, 2017, 07:12:44 PM »

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Rozier was a plus one last night and he made his free throws in the clutch.
I don't understand why Celtic fans hate their players.

Maybe it was the 2-for-8 shooting?

So? He's a plus 1 playing with the second unit.
Morris was a minus 12.

TP and knock out.

Interpreting +/- without context - i.e. using it as an exclusive means of measuring performance - will lead to spurious conclusions.  The same is true for many individual sports stats.

I'm not sure how Rozier having a +1 for the game is by any means a solid argument that he had a good game.  He didn't.

8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 assist in 18 minutes and a plus 1.
We were outrebounded by 12. That is why we lost.
Rozier played well.

He had an uninspiring 1st half and a very solid 4th quarter.  Overall it was a mediocre game.   6 rebs and 2 steals is impressive from a pure stats standpoint.  The rest isn't - 2 TOs (one following a steal) and 2-8 shooting.

We lost due to a combination of factors, as is usually the case.  We missed a ton of free throws.  We grabbed as many offensive rebs as Miami, but they had more D rebounds because we shot the ball so poorly.  Waiter's lucky shot was a big factor.

I've been a Rozier supporter since his rookie season.  He has the tools to be a good player and I'm not writing him off yet.  But he's been very underwhelming so far this season.

Edit - Miami, not Atlanta.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2017, 07:23:44 PM by SCeltic34 »


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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #115 on: November 24, 2017, 07:13:54 PM »

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Rozier was a plus one last night and he made his free throws in the clutch.
I don't understand why Celtic fans hate their players.

Maybe it was the 2-for-8 shooting?

So? He's a plus 1 playing with the second unit.
Morris was a minus 12.

TP and knock out.

Interpreting +/- without context - i.e. using it as an exclusive means of measuring performance - will lead to spurious conclusions.  The same is true for many individual sports stats.

I'm not sure how Rozier having a +1 for the game is by any means a solid argument that he had a good game.  He didn't.

8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 assist in 18 minutes and a plus 1.
We were outrebounded by 12. That is why we lost.
Rozier played well.

Part of the reason we were outrebounded was the six bricks Rozier threw up there.  Missed shots give the other team more opportunities for boards.


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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #116 on: November 24, 2017, 07:20:44 PM »

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Rozier was a plus one last night and he made his free throws in the clutch.
I don't understand why Celtic fans hate their players.

Maybe it was the 2-for-8 shooting?

So? He's a plus 1 playing with the second unit.
Morris was a minus 12.

TP and knock out.

Interpreting +/- without context - i.e. using it as an exclusive means of measuring performance - will lead to spurious conclusions.  The same is true for many individual sports stats.

I'm not sure how Rozier having a +1 for the game is by any means a solid argument that he had a good game.  He didn't.

8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 assist in 18 minutes and a plus 1.
We were outrebounded by 12. That is why we lost.
Rozier played well.

Part of the reason we were outrebounded was the six bricks Rozier threw up there.  Missed shots give the other team more opportunities for boards.
And as I said, 2 steals aside, his defense was underwhelming in that game.

Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #117 on: November 24, 2017, 07:23:50 PM »

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Rozier was a plus one last night and he made his free throws in the clutch.
I don't understand why Celtic fans hate their players.

Maybe it was the 2-for-8 shooting?

So? He's a plus 1 playing with the second unit.
Morris was a minus 12.

TP and knock out.

Interpreting +/- without context - i.e. using it as an exclusive means of measuring performance - will lead to spurious conclusions.  The same is true for many individual sports stats.

I'm not sure how Rozier having a +1 for the game is by any means a solid argument that he had a good game.  He didn't.

8 points, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, and 1 assist in 18 minutes and a plus 1.
We were outrebounded by 12. That is why we lost.
Rozier played well.

Part of the reason we were outrebounded was the six bricks Rozier threw up there.  Missed shots give the other team more opportunities for boards.
And as I said, 2 steals aside, his defense was underwhelming in that game.

Yeah, but he was +1. On the season his +/- is almost identical to Larkin, and we all know how good he is.  Game, set, match.


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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #118 on: November 24, 2017, 08:34:40 PM »

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Re: Are there any Terry Rozier fans left?
« Reply #119 on: November 24, 2017, 08:37:26 PM »

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@Boston Garden Leprechaun is a HUGE Rozier fan from what I've heard.

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