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Re: Are We Doomed If Lebron Joins The Philadelphia 76ers Next Summer?
« Reply #285 on: May 08, 2018, 09:56:21 PM »

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I think people are not taking into account the market size and media availability in Philly.   Do they make movies there, nope only Rocky ones.   So I think LeBron who wants to be bigger than Jordan is going to go to Philly?    That is pretty funny...
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« Reply #286 on: May 08, 2018, 10:34:56 PM »

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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
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Re: Are We Doomed If Lebron Joins The Philadelphia 76ers Next Summer?
« Reply #287 on: May 08, 2018, 10:41:20 PM »

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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching.  Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.

And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
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Re: Are We Doomed If Lebron Joins The Philadelphia 76ers Next Summer?
« Reply #288 on: May 08, 2018, 10:47:00 PM »

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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching.  Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.

And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Lebron dynamic. Thet all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
Agree. Covington shoots mid 30%, and Embiid is a shade under 1/3 from deep. Not too deadly.

I would love to see LeBron, Fultz and Simmons all flounder though

Re: Are We Doomed If Lebron Joins The Philadelphia 76ers Next Summer?
« Reply #289 on: May 08, 2018, 11:01:08 PM »

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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching.  Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.

And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
So you don't like the fit between Lebron and Simmons, and to a lesser extent Fultz. There we go. The reason they would fail wouldn't be the devastating loss of Ersan Ilyasova, it would be because their core players won't mesh together.
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Re: Are We Doomed If Lebron Joins The Philadelphia 76ers Next Summer?
« Reply #290 on: May 09, 2018, 12:01:21 AM »

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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching.  Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.

And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
So you don't like the fit between Lebron and Simmons, and to a lesser extent Fultz. There we go. The reason they would fail wouldn't be the devastating loss of Ersan Ilyasova, it would be because their core players won't mesh together.
Now this is you jumping to poor conclusions and twisting things just to prove you are right...somehow....I guess!!

I said the the Fultz, Simmons, Lebron, Embiiddynamic was one I didn't like, but just because I don't like it and think it means you have to add 3 3 point shooters to make it work, doesn't mean it can't possibly work. I said so myself

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If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. 

So, no, I am not dooming that group as a failure due to their poor fit but because its a grouping that requires a bunch of three point shooters be a part of the mixture.

Re: Are We Doomed If Lebron Joins The Philadelphia 76ers Next Summer?
« Reply #291 on: May 09, 2018, 04:28:21 AM »

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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching.  Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.

And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
So you don't like the fit between Lebron and Simmons, and to a lesser extent Fultz. There we go. The reason they would fail wouldn't be the devastating loss of Ersan Ilyasova, it would be because their core players won't mesh together.
Now this is you jumping to poor conclusions and twisting things just to prove you are right...somehow....I guess!!

I said the the Fultz, Simmons, Lebron, Embiiddynamic was one I didn't like, but just because I don't like it and think it means you have to add 3 3 point shooters to make it work, doesn't mean it can't possibly work. I said so myself

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If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. 

So, no, I am not dooming that group as a failure due to their poor fit but because its a grouping that requires a bunch of three point shooters be a part of the mixture.
Which they will be able to do, given they have Covingtion and Embiid, can bring back Belinelli, they have the 10th pick in the draft (Mikal Bridges?) etc. Your stance simple doesn't make sense. You can't say you "hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic" but then say it will only work with shooters, only to say it won't work when I give you a scenario where they have shooters.  :o

Any yeah, I really "twisted" things by bolding your exact words. Lol.
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I don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland. They're getting a better pick than Philly to get an impact player and the legacy of setting up your hometown+original team's future after winning them a ring is way too attractive for Bron to leave until he gets to his mid late 30s. We should worry about Philly signing Paul George to slot in at SG to combat our wing advantage next year. We'll still have an advantage but we'd need to really run them off the floor (better quality depth when healthy) and take advantage of their PG position being raw or just not as talented (Fultz/TJ).
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We should worry about Philly signing Paul George to slot in at SG to combat our wing advantage next year.

The guy who is from LA and crumbles every playoff.   That does not scare me.

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I don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland. They're getting a better pick than Philly to get an impact player and the legacy of setting up your hometown+original team's future after winning them a ring is way too attractive for Bron to leave until he gets to his mid late 30s. We should worry about Philly signing Paul George to slot in at SG to combat our wing advantage next year. We'll still have an advantage but we'd need to really run them off the floor (better quality depth when healthy) and take advantage of their PG position being raw or just not as talented (Fultz/TJ).

I am okay with Philly getting PG (I don't think they will). First of all, he isn't Lebron, but I also think the loss of Redick is underrated. Obviously PG is a very good player, but simply as an off-screen catch and shoot 3-pt shooter, he isn't quite as good as Redick.

We also have Hayward coming back which should neutralize a PG signing (and Kyrie should easily put us over the top). A Lebron signing or a Kawhi trade where Philly doesn't give up major pieces is a much scarier scenario for me. A Lebron signing and a Kawhi trade would be downright unfair.

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I don't see Lebron leaving Cleveland. They're getting a better pick than Philly to get an impact player and the legacy of setting up your hometown+original team's future after winning them a ring is way too attractive for Bron to leave until he gets to his mid late 30s. We should worry about Philly signing Paul George to slot in at SG to combat our wing advantage next year. We'll still have an advantage but we'd need to really run them off the floor (better quality depth when healthy) and take advantage of their PG position being raw or just not as talented (Fultz/TJ).

I think if Cleveland gets embarrassed in the finals this year he has to think about it. The only two assets they really have are K.love and the Brooklyn pick. Is that enough to get them an impact player? and a player to get them over the top? Philly/Celts will only be better next year.

I dont see Lebron going to Philly though. Simmons cant coexist with Lebron. they would have to trade him. Simmons needs the ball in his hands to be effective. the celtics essentially have shut him down by taking the ball out of his hands and making him sit at the perimeter where he cant shoot.

I'm not too worried about philly getting someone like paul george. Essentially the celtics are adding Kyrie Irving/Hayward to this squad which is > just paul george

Kyrie/Brown/Hayward/Tatum/Horford > Simmons/Paul george/embiid

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Be Simmons is a poor mans Lebron so why would he want to go to a team that has someone similar to him? He needs shooters around him and he wants to dominate the ball, makes no sense at all!

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Philly is not a big enough town for James. It will be LA. His producing career, house out there, connections after basketball....it will be a move to set up his next part of his life.

Going to Philly offers him zero.
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Another thing to consider is Embiid's injury history.

To his credit, he's been relatively healthy this season (though still missed about 20 games, including two playoff games), but god forbid if he suffers another major injury, that could seriously impact the rest of his NBA career (though he's still getting handsomely paid). And lets be honest, he IS the process.

Also, no one knows what to expect out of Fultz.
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A ton of the reason for Philly's late season success has been attributed to Reddick, Ilyasova, and Belinelli. If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. The market should be strong enough for each of those three to get good contracts elsewhere and not be forced to take a vet min contract.
Redick will most likely be gone and that will hurt, but they picked up Belinelli and Ilyasova off of the scrap heap. They were both bought out this year and Philly got them for nothing. You can always get journeymen guys like that, especially when those guys are going to be playing with Simmons and Embiid and getting lots of open shots.
Ilyasova got bought out of an $8.4 million last year to sign for the vet min with Philly. Belinelli got bought out of a $6.4 million last year to sign a vet min deal with Philly.

I seriously doubt that players who have already been valued at between $6.4 million and $8.4 million per year, and then played like they deserved that, are suddenly going to take a couple million as a vet min.

And there is zero chance Reddick returns at the money they will be able to pay him. He is just worth a lot more than just a couple million a year.
If they had played like they deserved it, they wouldn't have been bought out. They would have been traded. I'm sure the Hawks were looking to get anything at all for them but couldn't. That's why they got bought out and then had to sign for the minimum. You acknowledge that, but still don't understand their value. Agreed on Redick though.
I think its you who doesn't understand their value and the situation they were in. Both players played for Atlanta and played well in their roles averaging 11PPG on average to above average shooting. They were making positive contributions to their team. But Atlanta was going to tank hard at the end of the year which meant they were going to sit and not contribute. Atlanta gave them the option to be bought out so they might sign with a playoff team and contribute positively. They will be worth anywhere from the room exception to the taxpayer's MLE to the MLE in the open market. They are not vet min type players
No...Atlanta tried to trade them. They couldn't because they were overpaid. The Hawks were sellers at the deadline and both guys were openly available. That's why they were bought out. This isn't a Richard Sherman situation where the team cuts the players instead of trading them, just so they can pick which team they want and go to a contender. And even though they could have traded them for value, they do it for sentimental reasons. We're talking about Belinelli and Ilyasova here.

And btw you're talking about the room exception, and that's only like $4 Million lol. Even you don't think they're actually worth "good contracts".
Yes, they were on the market but the teams they could trade them to, who would give any value whatsoever were playoff teams over the cap that would have to send salary back. Atlanta didn't want salary back. Knowing this and that Atlanta would buy them out after the trade deadline, those teams just waited for them to be bought out.

Just because a trade wasn't made doesn't mean they didn't have value or were being overpaid. It just means Atlanta couldn't get what they wanted which was no return salary, or expiring salary with draft picks.

Yes, the room exception is only $4.5 million but at a minimum that is still more than a vet min contract by $2 million. 11 PPG players that shoot the 3 at above average rates in today's NBA are not vet min players. Sorry, they just aren't.
I agree. But if you only think they are going to get $4.5 million in this upcoming cap crunch, why wouldn't Philly be able to afford that?
They could afford one room exception after signing Lebron but my point was that Philly wouldn't have the $ to bring back all three because they would only have that one exception to use and the other players wouldn't be back because they are worth more than a vet min. The Sixers if they sign Lebron need to have a bunch of 3 point shooters to surround Embiid, Fultz, Simmons and Lebron because the best part of all 4 of those players games are playing inside. They are going to have to have three pointer shooters to make that team a true contender.
So you don't think Belinelli/Fultz, Covington, Lebron, Simmons, and Embiid would work? If not, then I think you might just not like Lebron's fit with Simmons (which I don't either). Because the shooting of Belinelli/Covington/Embiid next to them is really solid.
Nope, not sold on Covington as anything more than a very average three point shooter. Not sold on the fact they should be expecting 4-5+ 3pta from Embiid, that's just bad coaching.  Belinelli is just one 3 pt specialist. They need more.

And I hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic. They all need the ball. They all need people spacing the floor for them to be at their best, and only Lebron isn't terrified of taking a shot outside of 6'
So you don't like the fit between Lebron and Simmons, and to a lesser extent Fultz. There we go. The reason they would fail wouldn't be the devastating loss of Ersan Ilyasova, it would be because their core players won't mesh together.
Now this is you jumping to poor conclusions and twisting things just to prove you are right...somehow....I guess!!

I said the the Fultz, Simmons, Lebron, Embiiddynamic was one I didn't like, but just because I don't like it and think it means you have to add 3 3 point shooters to make it work, doesn't mean it can't possibly work. I said so myself

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If Philly uses all their cap space on Lebron, they aren't going to have the money to bring back the 3 three point shooters on the team that a Lebron-Simmons-Embiid team will need to be a contender. 

So, no, I am not dooming that group as a failure due to their poor fit but because its a grouping that requires a bunch of three point shooters be a part of the mixture.
Which they will be able to do, given they have Covingtion and Embiid, can bring back Belinelli, they have the 10th pick in the draft (Mikal Bridges?) etc. Your stance simple doesn't make sense. You can't say you "hate the Lebron/Fultz/Simmons dynamic" but then say it will only work with shooters, only to say it won't work when I give you a scenario where they have shooters.  :o

Any yeah, I really "twisted" things by bolding your exact words. Lol.
As I said earlier, and apparently have to repeat once again, I don't consider Embiid and Covington as three point shooters. Embiid shot less than 31% this year and is at 32.7% for his career. That's bad. Covington over the last 3 years is averaging about 35%. That's less than average. Not good. New draft picks don't usually come out as 40% 3 point shooters.

So Philly really hasn't surrounded Embiid, Lebron, Fultz and Simmons with three point shooters and so will have problems, IMO.