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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #420 on: December 13, 2017, 06:20:56 PM »

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Tough year for Bama.  This story was almost as bad as the Crimson Tide not winning the SEC.
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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #421 on: December 13, 2017, 06:26:25 PM »

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Tough year for Bama.  This story was almost as bad as the Crimson Tide not winning the SEC.

Bentley resigned too.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #422 on: December 13, 2017, 08:02:16 PM »

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Someone should tell Steve Bannon that a brown leather jacket with a black shirt is not great optics, except perhaps among some very narrow strata of his party's electorate...



Forget Steve Bannon. The moment the National GOP threw its support behind Moore, they were all in. The GOP would be looking so much better if they had repudiated Moore. But they didn't. Now they need to live with it, not try to throw Bannon under the bus.


It took me literally less than five seconds to see what they are doing here.

This is some Jim Crow-level crookedness here. This combined with voter ID laws and inadequate polling stations/booths in blue areas reinforces the notion that the South hasn't really changed. 150 years later the white party is still hell-bent on denying blacks a fair vote.

There's nothing specific to Alabama here. Gerrymandering exists in pretty much every state. It sucks, though, and I agree that more needs to be done about it.
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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #423 on: December 13, 2017, 08:52:19 PM »

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There's nothing specific to Alabama here. Gerrymandering exists in pretty much every state. It sucks, though, and I agree that more needs to be done about it.

Alabama is one of the top 10 worst gerrymandered states in the union, so they aren't exactly run of the mill, though gerrymandering is prevelant as you state.

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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #424 on: December 13, 2017, 08:59:28 PM »

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Wow, Alabama is so aggressively gerrymandered that despite winning the state Jones only won 1 of 7 congressional districts:


Not at all unusual.  Democratic vote is concentrated in the cities across the U.S.

It is, but there's more than one city in Alabama. Those shapes look natural to you?
Have you looked at the Massachusetts congressional districts?  How are those natural shapes? 


 

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #425 on: December 13, 2017, 09:59:11 PM »

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Wow, Alabama is so aggressively gerrymandered that despite winning the state Jones only won 1 of 7 congressional districts:


Not at all unusual.  Democratic vote is concentrated in the cities across the U.S.

It is, but there's more than one city in Alabama. Those shapes look natural to you?

No they do not. And this is why the Supreme Court needs to actually do their jobs and intervene more often in these situations.

It took me literally less than five seconds to see what they are doing here.

This is some Jim Crow-level crookedness here. This combined with voter ID laws and inadequate polling stations/booths in blue areas reinforces the notion that the South hasn't really changed. 150 years later the white party is still hell-bent on denying blacks a fair vote.
Typical northern nonsense.  Blacks voted yesterday in proportion or slightly above their overall population of the state.  What do you know about Alabama or its voter ID law?  Here's a link listing all the different forms of acceptable ID:  http://sos.alabama.gov/alabama-votes/photo-voter-id/valid-ids.  If you don't have any of the other valid IDs you can get a free voter photo id.  Quite reasonable. 

How do you explain the long voting lines in minority precincts in the rest of the country (Ohio, South Florida, Arizona, ...)?  The fact is elections are done on limited budgets across the country.  Look how long it took California to complete and certify its vote after the Presidential election. 

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #426 on: December 13, 2017, 10:07:39 PM »

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Wow, Alabama is so aggressively gerrymandered that despite winning the state Jones only won 1 of 7 congressional districts:


Not at all unusual.  Democratic vote is concentrated in the cities across the U.S.

It is, but there's more than one city in Alabama. Those shapes look natural to you?

No they do not. And this is why the Supreme Court needs to actually do their jobs and intervene more often in these situations.

It took me literally less than five seconds to see what they are doing here.

This is some Jim Crow-level crookedness here. This combined with voter ID laws and inadequate polling stations/booths in blue areas reinforces the notion that the South hasn't really changed. 150 years later the white party is still hell-bent on denying blacks a fair vote.
Typical northern nonsense.  Blacks voted yesterday in proportion or slightly above their overall population of the state.  What do you know about Alabama or its voter ID law?  Here's a link listing all the different forms of acceptable ID:  http://sos.alabama.gov/alabama-votes/photo-voter-id/valid-ids.  If you don't have any of the other valid IDs you can get a free voter photo id.  Quite reasonable. 

How do you explain the long voting lines in minority precincts in the rest of the country (Ohio, South Florida, Arizona, ...)?  The fact is elections are done on limited budgets across the country.  Look how long it took California to complete and certify its vote after the Presidential election.

Except there's plenty of other voter suppression going on. Alabama police head to  Minority polling stations check rotors for outstanding warrants that deters people from going to vote.  I also read that places to get a free ID were closed yesterday. Free IDs are great, when you can get them.

Edit: only in counties with 75% minority or more were the offices closed

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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #427 on: December 14, 2017, 07:34:10 AM »

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In politics itís hard to vote for the better candidate if they are on the other side of the aisle from where you normally typically align

Not for me, I do not belong to either party and I think the party system has done more harm that good.   I vote for who I think is best for my country, state or county.   I have voted for Dems and for GOP and independents.

To me there is no aisle, so I don't have that problem.   

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #428 on: December 14, 2017, 07:56:06 AM »

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In politics itís hard to vote for the better candidate if they are on the other side of the aisle from where you normally typically align

Not for me, I do not belong to either party and I think the party system has done more harm that good.   I vote for who I think is best for my country, state or county.   I have voted for Dems and for GOP and independents.

To me there is no aisle, so I don't have that problem.   

The issue with the party system is that itís gone beyond politics. Itís a lifestyle for a lot of people. Poor Alabamians living in rural areas would rather elect a pedofile than a Democrat, because the pedofile isnít a Democrat. To them, itís not about the issues. To them, Democrats represent the establishment, which they believe has failed them. Trump won on this mindset.

 Unfortunately, voters like yourself are few and far between. In a perfect world, the majority people would actually educate themselves on the issue and vote for the candidate that best exemplifies their best interests.

Instead, the party is the only defining criteria. Itís a culture. The GOP can literally sign a tax bill with immense implications for poor and working class individuals and these people will continually vote them in.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #429 on: December 14, 2017, 08:04:12 AM »

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In politics itís hard to vote for the better candidate if they are on the other side of the aisle from where you normally typically align

Not for me, I do not belong to either party and I think the party system has done more harm that good.   I vote for who I think is best for my country, state or county.   I have voted for Dems and for GOP and independents.

To me there is no aisle, so I don't have that problem.   

The issue with the party system is that itís gone beyond politics. Itís a lifestyle for a lot of people. Poor Alabamians living in rural areas would rather elect a pedofile than a Democrat, because the pedofile isnít a Democrat. To them, itís not about the issues. To them, Democrats represent the establishment, which they believe has failed them. Trump won on this mindset.

 Unfortunately, voters like yourself are few and far between. In a perfect world, the majority people would actually educate themselves on the issue and vote for the candidate that best exemplifies their best interests.

Instead, the party is the only defining criteria. Itís a culture. The GOP can literally sign a tax bill with immense implications for poor and working class individuals and these people will continually vote them in.

The democrats did fail them. Now the republicans are outright robbing them.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #430 on: December 14, 2017, 10:02:54 AM »

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Wow, Alabama is so aggressively gerrymandered that despite winning the state Jones only won 1 of 7 congressional districts:


Not at all unusual.  Democratic vote is concentrated in the cities across the U.S.

It is, but there's more than one city in Alabama. Those shapes look natural to you?
Have you looked at the Massachusetts congressional districts?  How are those natural shapes? 


I'm confused what your point is here. First you seem to suggest it's not gerrymandering, now it is gerrymandering but look over there? Is it just defensiveness about the South? I've spent most of my adult life in the South, and I've never lived in Massachusetts. Can you be a little clearer about what you're getting at?

In the interest of doing the same, I find gerrymandering appalling and think that while regulating it is much easier said than done, it needs to be reined in. Everywhere.

Here's Alabama's county-level results for comparison:



If that next to the Congressional District map doesn't strike you as an absurdly rigged framework, I don't know what to tell you. I didn't think it was a very controversial idea.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #431 on: December 14, 2017, 10:07:46 AM »

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Wow, Alabama is so aggressively gerrymandered that despite winning the state Jones only won 1 of 7 congressional districts:


Not at all unusual.  Democratic vote is concentrated in the cities across the U.S.

It is, but there's more than one city in Alabama. Those shapes look natural to you?
Have you looked at the Massachusetts congressional districts?  How are those natural shapes? 


I'm confused what your point is here. First you seem to suggest it's not gerrymandering, now it is gerrymandering but look over there? Is it just defensiveness about the South? I've spent most of my adult life in the South, and I've never lived in Massachusetts. Can you be a little clearer about what you're getting at?

In the interest of doing the same, I find gerrymandering appalling and think that while regulating it is much easier said than done, it needs to be reined in. Everywhere.

Here's Alabama's county-level results for comparison:



If that next to the Congressional District map doesn't strike you as an absurdly rigged framework, I don't know what to tell you. I didn't think it was a very controversial idea.
It is bad, but Alabama has multiple counties that have less than 10,000 people.  It is hard to get some sort of even representation.  That said, it could be a lot better.  Here are some suggested district lines in Alabama that make more sense.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/148305/large/Alabama_1VRA_State_View.png?1434245381

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.JiOGFjXBjL4rziWh049eLgC9Es&pid=Api

http://images.dailykos.com/images/274316/original/Alabama_Non-Partisan_Map_2_VRA_2016-7-13_Plurality_White_State_View.png?1468624045

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #432 on: December 14, 2017, 11:34:53 AM »

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Wow, Alabama is so aggressively gerrymandered that despite winning the state Jones only won 1 of 7 congressional districts:


Not at all unusual.  Democratic vote is concentrated in the cities across the U.S.

It is, but there's more than one city in Alabama. Those shapes look natural to you?
Have you looked at the Massachusetts congressional districts?  How are those natural shapes? 


I'm confused what your point is here. First you seem to suggest it's not gerrymandering, now it is gerrymandering but look over there? Is it just defensiveness about the South? I've spent most of my adult life in the South, and I've never lived in Massachusetts. Can you be a little clearer about what you're getting at?

In the interest of doing the same, I find gerrymandering appalling and think that while regulating it is much easier said than done, it needs to be reined in. Everywhere.

Here's Alabama's county-level results for comparison:



If that next to the Congressional District map doesn't strike you as an absurdly rigged framework, I don't know what to tell you. I didn't think it was a very controversial idea.
It is bad, but Alabama has multiple counties that have less than 10,000 people.  It is hard to get some sort of even representation.  That said, it could be a lot better.  Here are some suggested district lines in Alabama that make more sense.

http://images.dailykos.com/images/148305/large/Alabama_1VRA_State_View.png?1434245381

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.JiOGFjXBjL4rziWh049eLgC9Es&pid=Api

http://images.dailykos.com/images/274316/original/Alabama_Non-Partisan_Map_2_VRA_2016-7-13_Plurality_White_State_View.png?1468624045

https://rantt.com/the-top-10-most-gerrymandered-states-in-america-bd962843ba1f

I thought that article was interesting because it had a few alternate maps. Of the top 10, 1 favored dems, 9 favored repubs.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #433 on: December 14, 2017, 01:01:30 PM »

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« Reply #434 on: December 14, 2017, 01:26:57 PM »

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Keep diggin', Roy. What a thoroughly disgusting individual.

his 15 minutes of being INfamous is over, but he doesn't seem to want to accept it.