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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #390 on: December 13, 2017, 12:09:55 AM »

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Not sure if I am more happy that the voters of Alabama did the right thing and voted in Doug Jones or saddened that over a half million Alabama voters actually voted for a man that was twice kicked off of the state supreme court for not following the directives of the court, that has stated that homosexuality should be outlawed and the death penalty possibly used for punishment, that only Christians can be elected to public office because they have to swear on a bible and had multiple credible accussations of him being a sexual predator of children. 81% of those people were Evangelical Christians, over 90% of those people were white, and I haven't seen a socioeconomic breakdown yet but I am guessing a staggering number of those people were poor.

Happy that enough good people in Alabama came to thier senses and rejected this vile human being that is Roy Moore.
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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #391 on: December 13, 2017, 12:10:58 AM »

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It sounds like the Alabama GOP doesn't want to support the recount

"Alabama state GOP isn't backing a recount effort. "While we are deeply disappointed in the extremely close U.S. Senate election results, with our candidate Judge Roy Moore, we respect the voting process given to us by our Founding Fathers," Chairman Terry Lathan says."

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #392 on: December 13, 2017, 01:37:23 AM »

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I want to think that this will mean something positive, but I'm highly skeptical.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #393 on: December 13, 2017, 01:49:54 AM »

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Jones got less votes than Hillary

Moore got about 600k less votes than session in 2014 and Trump in 2016

Only won by 21k votes

Oh by the way the supreme court of Alabama tried to get rid of preserving electronic vote for a recount writhin the past 24 hours.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/alabama-digital-records-vote-roy-moore/

This is not over, something fishy going on....

I don't see how any of what you said actually applies to this election.  21k votes / 1.5% is way more than the threshold for automatic recount, and Moore is just extending the drama for no reason.

If he wants a recount he is going to have to pay for it and it will pretty much be a waste of time and resources.

The State supreme court ruling is definitely strange, Hondo. 8 judges in agreement  after 30 minutes of argument. No practical reason I can think of not to hold onto the paper printouts, at least until an ordered recount was finalised.

Hope the plaintiffs take it to scotus.

Hopefully they also listen to argument about the rampant gerrymandering undertaken in most states which disenfranchises poorer people.
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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #394 on: December 13, 2017, 02:00:04 AM »

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Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!

Strangely measured response from POTUS
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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #395 on: December 13, 2017, 05:31:11 AM »

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Not sure if I am more happy that the voters of Alabama did the right thing and voted in Doug Jones or saddened that over a half million Alabama voters actually voted for

I feel the same.  But one thing in politics our choices in candidates has gone kaput in many cases.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #396 on: December 13, 2017, 06:13:25 AM »

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Not sure if I am more happy that the voters of Alabama did the right thing and voted in Doug Jones or saddened that over a half million Alabama voters actually voted for

I feel the same.  But one thing in politics our choices in candidates has gone kaput in many cases.

The people of MA voted for a murderer from 1962-2009
They voted for somebody who exploited the suffering of a race of people to further her own career in 2014
They elected a congressman who was caught up in a family offshore gambling ring who said when he won, “Our win tonight says two things, First, that we are fed up with the gridlock in Washington. And second, that voters want to keep this seat blue.”

In politics it’s hard to vote for the better candidate if they are on the other side of the aisle from where you normally typically align
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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #397 on: December 13, 2017, 07:27:00 AM »

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Saw a great meme. It showed Roy Moore showing up to vote a top his horse and the saying "I now understand the old adage go eff yourself and the horse you rode in on". Gave me a good laugh.

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« Reply #398 on: December 13, 2017, 08:11:45 AM »

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Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!

Strangely measured response from POTUS
Possibly the most presidential response he's given....

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #399 on: December 13, 2017, 08:43:40 AM »

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Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!

Strangely measured response from POTUS

I personally like how he calls the period of time for the Rs to have another shot at the seat, "very short," when it is in actuality the exact same amount of time the Ds will have another shot at Trump's seat.

I also like how he calls write-ins a "big factor" when in fact Jones won by about the same amount of votes total in write-ins (meaning every vote would have essentially had to be a R refusing to vote for Moore).

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #400 on: December 13, 2017, 08:55:39 AM »

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This is from exit polls and not actual votes but holy cow:



It's white evangelicals vs everyone else. And they're all-in for the child molesting bigot with major ethics issues.

Yeah, I'm a white evangelical, and I find Moore's actions deplorable.

Just so you know it's not all white evangelicals. Some of us have a moral compass governed by what God teaches.

Look up what Ed Stetzer has said on the topic. He has been a voice of reason in evangelical circles about this issue.

TP for your perspective. I'm assuming you're not Alabamian either so the dynamic may be different in your community. 81-17 is a very big margin but that's still thousands who aren't voting for Moore. Just found the massive divergence very striking.


Just to add another thought, because Christian reputation matters to me ...

There is a growing movement, sometimes called the "gospel-centered" movement, and sometimes called YRR (young restless and reformed) that is tired of republican Christianity. We are more devoted to Christ and his teachings and less to maintaining political power. And these last few elections have sickened those in that movement (myself included).

At this point, many of those in the movement are not influential enough because of their youth, but I think in coming years there will be a better representation of Christianity in America and in politics. At least I hope so.

Once upon a time... there once was a religious left as well. Ironically, it was personal ethicosexual issues often that robbed them of their moral authority and, with it, their political charm.

But I'm all for bringing back the religious left. And I'm not even religious.

Big business had a lot to do with it as well, they spent a lot of money promoting capitalism and demonizing socialism in the churches.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/corporate-america-invented-religious-right-conservative-roosevelt-princeton-117030

Jesus was pretty much a socialist, and seemed to generally dislike wealth and greed. I know people will argue he never directly called for government to care for the poor, and they say he only wanted individuals to do it.

But considering how often Christian ideals seem to intertwine with politics, it is odd that these teachings are not enforced via government the way many others are (e.g, opposition to gay marriage).

IMO it makes sense Christians would have liberal economic leanings.

I won't argue for this view, because a Celtics forum isn't the place for it, but you pretty much summed me up.

The problem is that most Christians view the social issues (abortion, etc.) as much bigger moral issues to address. Even if we have liberal economic leanings, those leanings become secondary to the social issues.

So some of us feel like there is a poor representation of us in government, but we are unfortunately largely in the minority.
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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #401 on: December 13, 2017, 08:58:07 AM »

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/940795587733151744

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Congratulations to Doug Jones on a hard fought victory. The write-in votes played a very big factor, but a win is a win. The people of Alabama are great, and the Republicans will have another shot at this seat in a very short period of time. It never ends!

Strangely measured response from POTUS

It's probably written by Scavino, his social media guy. One of the many deceptive things about the admin is that Trump doesn't write all his tweets but unlike most politicians there's no designation of which are which.

Something similar happened after the Iowa caucuses where the first message was conciliatory and reasonable and then he spent several days claiming the caucuses were rigged and stolen by Ted Cruz.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #402 on: December 13, 2017, 08:59:34 AM »

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What on earth is Trump saying???  This seems kind of like saying I was right before I was wrong which proves I was right all along.  The Truth is that Trump relates more to Moore and wanted him to win but probably got talked into endorsing Strange by the GOP establishment.  Now that Moore has lost, this somehow makes Trump right?  I think if the candidate was Strange, he wins easily in traditional Alabama fashion so no Pres. Trump, you were not right, you were wrong twice.  You tried to endorse Strange and he lost.  Then you endorsed Moore and he lost.


Trump endorses Strange:

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"Luther Strange has been shooting up in the Alabama polls since my endorsement. Finish the job-vote today for "Big Luther"

As it becomes clear Strange will lose to Moore:

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Even before Strange's loss on Tuesday, Trump expressed misgivings about getting behind the candidate, who he deemed too "low energy." Trump fretted the endorsement made him appear weak, cowed by an establishment that he'd openly rebuffed during his own campaign.

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The reason I originally endorsed Luther Strange (and his numbers went up mightily), is that I said Roy Moore will not be able to win the General Election. I was right! Roy worked hard but the deck was stacked against him!

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #403 on: December 13, 2017, 09:27:37 AM »

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Wow, Alabama is so aggressively gerrymandered that despite winning the state Jones only won 1 of 7 congressional districts:


Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #404 on: December 13, 2017, 09:42:23 AM »

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Wow, Alabama is so aggressively gerrymandered that despite winning the state Jones only won 1 of 7 congressional districts:


Not at all unusual.  Democratic vote is concentrated in the cities across the U.S.