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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #375 on: December 12, 2017, 11:01:04 PM »

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So how soon should we expect the enraged Trump tweet storm?
doesn't he have his potty break at 3:00 AM?

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #376 on: December 12, 2017, 11:04:16 PM »

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Some kudos to Senator Cory Gardner, chair of the National Republican Senate Committee, who withdrew support from Moore after the WaPo story broke, refused to resume support and kept speaking out against him even after the RNC came crawling back, and has already congratulated Jones and tried to recruit him to switch parties.  :D

I probably disagree with him on 1000 other things but it's nice to see something like a stand on principle from high officeholders.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #377 on: December 12, 2017, 11:06:55 PM »

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It is extremely interesting how many write in votes there were.  22,000+
which is more than the margin of victory.  Probably safe to say that most of those are republicans who couldn't stomach Moore.  Gotta hand it to those people as well.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #378 on: December 12, 2017, 11:08:28 PM »

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This is from exit polls and not actual votes but holy cow:



It's white evangelicals vs everyone else. And they're all-in for the child molesting bigot with major ethics issues.

Yeah, I'm a white evangelical, and I find Moore's actions deplorable.

Just so you know it's not all white evangelicals. Some of us have a moral compass governed by what God teaches.

Look up what Ed Stetzer has said on the topic. He has been a voice of reason in evangelical circles about this issue.

TP for your perspective. I'm assuming you're not Alabamian either so the dynamic may be different in your community. 81-17 is a very big margin but that's still thousands who aren't voting for Moore. Just found the massive divergence very striking.


Just to add another thought, because Christian reputation matters to me ...

There is a growing movement, sometimes called the "gospel-centered" movement, and sometimes called YRR (young restless and reformed) that is tired of republican Christianity. We are more devoted to Christ and his teachings and less to maintaining political power. And these last few elections have sickened those in that movement (myself included).

At this point, many of those in the movement are not influential enough because of their youth, but I think in coming years there will be a better representation of Christianity in America and in politics. At least I hope so.

Once upon a time... there once was a religious left as well. Ironically, it was personal ethicosexual issues often that robbed them of their moral authority and, with it, their political charm.

But I'm all for bringing back the religious left. And I'm not even religious.

Big business had a lot to do with it as well, they spent a lot of money promoting capitalism and demonizing socialism in the churches.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/corporate-america-invented-religious-right-conservative-roosevelt-princeton-117030

Jesus was pretty much a socialist, and seemed to generally dislike wealth and greed. I know people will argue he never directly called for government to care for the poor, and they say he only wanted individuals to do it.

But considering how often Christian ideals seem to intertwine with politics, it is odd that these teachings are not enforced via government the way many others are (e.g, opposition to gay marriage).

IMO it makes sense Christians would have liberal economic leanings.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #379 on: December 12, 2017, 11:13:12 PM »

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Meanwhile polls range from Moore +9 to Jones +10 (from Fox of all places), with most showing Moore up by 4-5. *extremely lazy pundit voice* folks it's gonna all come down to turnout.

Well, the Monmouth poll that showed a tie was the most accurate, but despite the margin being way off Fox's was the only December poll that had the winner.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #380 on: December 12, 2017, 11:16:38 PM »

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Sounds like some of the biggest difference makers were black people (of course), white women, and white college-educated voters (makes sense).

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #381 on: December 12, 2017, 11:17:57 PM »

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So how soon should we expect the enraged Trump tweet storm?
doesn't he have his potty break at 3:00 AM?

He's probably on the phone with Vlad, crying his eyes out.

 :police:

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #382 on: December 12, 2017, 11:21:34 PM »

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Sounds like some of the biggest difference makers were black people (of course), white women, and white college-educated voters (makes sense).

Yeah it sounds like there was a big get out the vote / grass roots effort which made a difference.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #383 on: December 12, 2017, 11:36:51 PM »

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#metoo 1, Roy Moore 0

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Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #384 on: December 12, 2017, 11:37:25 PM »

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So what are the odds that Roy Moore contests the election if loses a super close race?  Does the fake voter fraud claims from Trump rub off on him?

I'm thinking this might not be all that close given the votes still to come in.

Assuming this holds up, a big congratulations to the residents of Alabama for showing up and doing the right thing! I know it comes as a big surprise to most of us, but a pleasant one at that.

and now Moore isn't conceding and is saying he wants a recount...
Almost on cue

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #385 on: December 12, 2017, 11:49:24 PM »

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So what are the odds that Roy Moore contests the election if loses a super close race?  Does the fake voter fraud claims from Trump rub off on him?

I'm thinking this might not be all that close given the votes still to come in.

Assuming this holds up, a big congratulations to the residents of Alabama for showing up and doing the right thing! I know it comes as a big surprise to most of us, but a pleasant one at that.

and now Moore isn't conceding and is saying he wants a recount...
Almost on cue
It isn't within the 0.5% to trigger an automatic recount so Moore would have to pay for the recount. 

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #386 on: December 12, 2017, 11:54:00 PM »

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Jones got less votes than Hillary

Moore got about 600k less votes than session in 2014 and Trump in 2016

Only won by 21k votes

Oh by the way the supreme court of Alabama tried to get rid of preserving electronic vote for a recount writhin the past 24 hours.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/alabama-digital-records-vote-roy-moore/

This is not over, something fishy going on....




Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #387 on: December 13, 2017, 12:01:14 AM »

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Jones got less votes than Hillary

Moore got about 600k less votes than session in 2014 and Trump in 2016

Only won by 21k votes

Oh by the way the supreme court of Alabama tried to get rid of preserving electronic vote for a recount writhin the past 24 hours.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/alabama-digital-records-vote-roy-moore/

This is not over, something fishy going on....

Turnout's much lower in non-Presidential elections than Presidential elections, and special elections are lower than that.

And Jeff Sessions got a lot more votes in 2014 because Jeff Sessions ran unopposed in 2014 and got 97% of the vote. Seems relevant.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #388 on: December 13, 2017, 12:03:41 AM »

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So what are the odds that Roy Moore contests the election if loses a super close race?  Does the fake voter fraud claims from Trump rub off on him?

I'm thinking this might not be all that close given the votes still to come in.

Assuming this holds up, a big congratulations to the residents of Alabama for showing up and doing the right thing! I know it comes as a big surprise to most of us, but a pleasant one at that.

and now Moore isn't conceding and is saying he wants a recount...
Almost on cue
It isn't within the 0.5% to trigger an automatic recount so Moore would have to pay for the recount.

I completely realize that.  He is definitely going to have to pay.  I guess my point was previously that he wouldn't accept the election results and that appears to be what is happening.  No conceding the election...very Trump like in the approach.

Re: Roy Moore
« Reply #389 on: December 13, 2017, 12:06:13 AM »

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Jones got less votes than Hillary

Moore got about 600k less votes than session in 2014 and Trump in 2016

Only won by 21k votes

Oh by the way the supreme court of Alabama tried to get rid of preserving electronic vote for a recount writhin the past 24 hours.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/12/alabama-digital-records-vote-roy-moore/

This is not over, something fishy going on....

I don't see how any of what you said actually applies to this election.  21k votes / 1.5% is way more than the threshold for automatic recount, and Moore is just extending the drama for no reason.

If he wants a recount he is going to have to pay for it and it will pretty much be a waste of time and resources.