Raptors (7-4) at Celtics (11-2) Game #14 11/12/17

[2short]

Marcus Smart is this generations DJ
Great defense, good passing, great team player, offense fair until game is on the line

Intangibles

[Eja117]

This is a really typical Marcus Smart game. Their guards are crushing ours. No real defense to speak of. Also he's doing nothing notable on offense. The front court is doing all the work.

But the game is within a point, so all he really needs to do is in the last minute get a critical steal, then rebound and hit a three and he's the hero. Give him a huge contract.

Rozier can do what he does for less money.

Ignorant. You just simply have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Marcus and Brown have both played excellent defense, yet Lowry is hitting ridiculous shots from way downtown despite their good D. But that's somehow their fault, huh?

Let me get this straight. Lowry is making ridiculous shots. Therefore Marcus is playing great defense. That's a very interesting theory. I call it the Marcus-can-do-no-wrong Theory.

That's a non-sequitor. Lowry was hitting ridiculous shots. The fact that he had to take ridiculous shots is good team defense.

Smart ended the game with 14, 9, 5, and 2, with 2 TOs, and a +11 net rating.
Lowry ended the game with 19, 7, 2, and 1, with 3 TOs, and a -4 net rating.

You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Smart was "crushed."

How'd Rozier do?  Pretty good right? Did you notice that nice 4 point play at the end of the half to keep the game way closer and grab some momentum? 

So why should Smart be paid so much more than Rozier?

Rozier can do what Smart can do and for way less money.  And without generally crippling the offense.

Btw......those stat lines.  Why don't you add the shooting numbers so people can see that too?

[Atzar]

This is a really typical Marcus Smart game. Their guards are crushing ours. No real defense to speak of. Also he's doing nothing notable on offense. The front court is doing all the work.

But the game is within a point, so all he really needs to do is in the last minute get a critical steal, then rebound and hit a three and he's the hero. Give him a huge contract.

Rozier can do what he does for less money.

Ignorant. You just simply have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Marcus and Brown have both played excellent defense, yet Lowry is hitting ridiculous shots from way downtown despite their good D. But that's somehow their fault, huh?

Let me get this straight. Lowry is making ridiculous shots. Therefore Marcus is playing great defense. That's a very interesting theory. I call it the Marcus-can-do-no-wrong Theory.

Smart forced Lowry into several difficult shots.  That's good defense. 

Lowry made several difficult shots.  That's good shotmaking.

Both statements can be true.  The fact that Lowry made some shots doesn't mean there's "no real defense to speak of."  You've just decided that you don't like Smart, and you're going to an extreme to try to argue the point. 

For the record, I'm not the biggest Smart fan on this board either.  But you do have to look at the whole picture.  You alertly point out all of the negatives while sticking your head in the sand when he does something well. 

[makaveli]

The refs ruined my over-under on tatum, it was 13.5 and instead of him shooting FT's, they call him for an offensive foul

just finding ways to win...amazing team

[DefenseWinsChamps]

This is a really typical Marcus Smart game. Their guards are crushing ours. No real defense to speak of. Also he's doing nothing notable on offense. The front court is doing all the work.

But the game is within a point, so all he really needs to do is in the last minute get a critical steal, then rebound and hit a three and he's the hero. Give him a huge contract.

Rozier can do what he does for less money.

Ignorant. You just simply have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Marcus and Brown have both played excellent defense, yet Lowry is hitting ridiculous shots from way downtown despite their good D. But that's somehow their fault, huh?

Let me get this straight. Lowry is making ridiculous shots. Therefore Marcus is playing great defense. That's a very interesting theory. I call it the Marcus-can-do-no-wrong Theory.

That's a non-sequitor. Lowry was hitting ridiculous shots. The fact that he had to take ridiculous shots is good team defense.

Smart ended the game with 14, 9, 5, and 2, with 2 TOs, and a +11 net rating.
Lowry ended the game with 19, 7, 2, and 1, with 3 TOs, and a -4 net rating.

You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Smart was "crushed."

How'd Rozier do?  Pretty good right? Did you notice that nice 4 point play at the end of the half to keep the game way closer and grab some momentum? 

So why should Smart be paid so much more than Rozier?

Rozier can do what Smart can do and for way less money.  And without generally crippling the offense.

Btw......those stat lines.  Why don't you add the shooting numbers so people can see that too?

Why don't you?

I'm not arguing to pay Smart over Rozier. I'm saying your bias is showing.

[makaveli]

just ask Marcuses teammates what they think about him, ask Brad, ask Tommy, ask anybody relevant in the organisation what they think about his game...

[SHAQATTACK]

I bet Kyrie and Gordon are pumped.

[Eja117]

just ask Marcuses teammates what they think about him, ask Brad, ask Tommy, ask anybody relevant in the organisation what they think about his game...

We already know what Brad thinks. Brad thinks he's not worth the extension he was asking for.

[satch]

Nice win...I thought the C's won it with defense.  It was a terrible call. In retrospect maybe should have outlet it. But Tatum has star written all over him.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Their backcourt of DeRozan, Lowry, and Powell were a combined:

15-35 (43%) with 49 points, 12 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, and 7 TOs

Smart, Brown, and Rozier were a combined:

17-40 (43%) with 48 points, 15 assists, 14 rebounds, 5 steals, 0 blocks, and 5 TOs.

Our backup backcourt was just crushed by the star-ridden backcourt in Toronto.

[footey]

just ask Marcuses teammates what they think about him, ask Brad, ask Tommy, ask anybody relevant in the organisation what they think about his game...

We already know what Brad thinks. Brad thinks he's not worth the extension he was asking for.

No, that’s Danny’s call, not Brad’s

[Billz401]

This is a really typical Marcus Smart game. Their guards are crushing ours. No real defense to speak of. Also he's doing nothing notable on offense. The front court is doing all the work.

But the game is within a point, so all he really needs to do is in the last minute get a critical steal, then rebound and hit a three and he's the hero. Give him a huge contract.

Rozier can do what he does for less money.

Ignorant. You just simply have no idea what you're talking about, do you? Marcus and Brown have both played excellent defense, yet Lowry is hitting ridiculous shots from way downtown despite their good D. But that's somehow their fault, huh?

Let me get this straight. Lowry is making ridiculous shots. Therefore Marcus is playing great defense. That's a very interesting theory. I call it the Marcus-can-do-no-wrong Theory.

That's a non-sequitor. Lowry was hitting ridiculous shots. The fact that he had to take ridiculous shots is good team defense.

Smart ended the game with 14, 9, 5, and 2, with 2 TOs, and a +11 net rating.
Lowry ended the game with 19, 7, 2, and 1, with 3 TOs, and a -4 net rating.

You'd be hard-pressed to argue that Smart was "crushed."

How'd Rozier do?  Pretty good right? Did you notice that nice 4 point play at the end of the half to keep the game way closer and grab some momentum? 

So why should Smart be paid so much more than Rozier?

Rozier can do what Smart can do and for way less money.  And without generally crippling the offense.

Btw......those stat lines.  Why don't you add the shooting numbers so people can see that too?

If you think rozier's defense is anywhere near smarts you are crazy.. he plays matador defense constantly and doesn't have the same grit as Marcus. And nevermind when he gets switched onto anyone besides a pg, he just gives up.

[gouki88]

Their backcourt of DeRozan, Lowry, and Powell were a combined:

15-35 (43%) with 49 points, 12 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, and 7 TOs

Smart, Brown, and Rozier were a combined:

17-40 (43%) with 48 points, 15 assists, 14 rebounds, 5 steals, 0 blocks, and 5 TOs.

Our backup backcourt was just crushed by the star-ridden backcourt in Toronto.

/argument

Our backcourt was superior to theirs

[Eja117]

Their backcourt of DeRozan, Lowry, and Powell were a combined:

15-35 (43%) with 49 points, 12 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, and 7 TOs

Smart, Brown, and Rozier were a combined:

17-40 (43%) with 48 points, 15 assists, 14 rebounds, 5 steals, 0 blocks, and 5 TOs.

Our backup backcourt was just crushed by the star-ridden backcourt in Toronto.

Smart single handedly kept those shooting numbers down.  Per usual.

It's not that Smart is bad or that he's bad all the time. It's that Rozier can do what he does and for less money

[Eja117]

just ask Marcuses teammates what they think about him, ask Brad, ask Tommy, ask anybody relevant in the organisation what they think about his game...

We already know what Brad thinks. Brad thinks he's not worth the extension he was asking for.

No, that’s Danny’s call, not Brad’s

I don't subscribe to the theory that Brad doesn't have a ton of influence in the personnel matters.