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Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2017, 04:41:32 PM »

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Smart will cost too much given his limitations with Rozier providing the same overall production on a rookie deal and Brown becoming a RFA 2 years out.

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2017, 04:46:28 PM »

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Smart will cost too much given his limitations with Rozier providing the same overall production on a rookie deal and Brown becoming a RFA 2 years out.
Yes, Rozier can at least match Smart's output of cringe-worthy shots. No need to worry  ;D
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Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2017, 04:49:09 PM »

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Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2017, 05:02:27 PM »

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I would tend to agree. I'm getting real tired of the hole that Smart puts us in offensively at times, but... I think we also need to be mindful of how much of an impact Smart makes, as a + - savant on, and off the court. The impact is far greater and definitely more insurmountable, especially considering how lackluster of a night he had last night offensively, and still finished with another sound +/-, once again.

We could trade him, or not re-sign him, but I believe that would be a huge mistake. If Smart comes out to 10-12 million per year, I don't see why not.. That's certainly affordable, and it's giving him Avery Bradley money in that he can certainly go above and beyond that contract, or not exceed expectations either. Its on Ainge to decide eventually, but I believe Smart isn't leaving anytime soon. It doesn't make any counter intuitive sense to let him go anyways, unless Smart gets offered anything above 15+ million.
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Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2017, 05:12:07 PM »

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Just watched some replays / highlights of our GREAT win last night.

Looks like Marcus was in middle of nearly everything we were doing in that win.

He defended Kemba Walker on that last shot - and he missed.

I saw him leading the break - setting up teammates.

I saw him with a CRUCIAL basket in the last 30-40 secs.

He is the Shaquille O'Neal of basketball right now - sure, Shaq did not shoot his FT's very well, BUT he ALWAYS seemed to make em when they counted.

Same with Marcus....dude can seemingly go 1-20 FG BUT that ONE make is an IMPORTANT one.

someone already corrected the Morris defense part but you are also wrong on making a basket in the last 30-40 seconds, Smart took one shot in the 4th and it was a miss.
He didn't make a ft either. He did get some assists, even though it's a stretch, the NBA counts them so it is what it is.

Smart is a solid player, I love watching his good moments but most of this entire post is made up.
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Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2017, 05:18:35 PM »

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Smart will cost too much given his limitations with Rozier providing the same overall production on a rookie deal and Brown becoming a RFA 2 years out.
Yes, Rozier can at least match Smart's output of cringe-worthy shots. No need to worry  ;D

You'd be hard-pressed to find an area other than assists that Rozier is not outperforming Smart this year, many by a fair margin. Shooting (TS% 47.2% vs 39.9%), rebounding, turnovers, PER, points and advanced stats across the board including Box score +/-. See the BasketballReference comparative stats at the link below.

http://bkref.com/tiny/nu8Ez

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2017, 05:59:49 PM »

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Why do you think we have Rozier, Bird, and Allen?

To make smart expendable. Iím almost ready to sell my smart stock.

It would be nice if Bird becomes the real thing, and be a backup 2.  He can play D and he can shoot!

But can Allen replicate Smart's game? 3 and D players are much easier to find than all-around post up guards.

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2017, 06:40:06 PM »

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Smart is averaging the most shots per game of his career and shooting a career low. He is not an NBA player on offense.
Not a G League player either....on offense.

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2017, 07:47:36 PM »

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Smart is one of those guys Celtics fans will whine about and never appreciate when he is here. Then when he is gone and the Celtics are losing games they will start to opine about missing Smart and what a winning player he was and all the little things he did to win games. Typical fans.

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2017, 07:58:47 PM »

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Smart is one of those guys Celtics fans will whine about and never appreciate when he is here. Then when he is gone and the Celtics are losing games they will start to opine about missing Smart and what a winning player he was and all the little things he did to win games. Typical fans.
Or maybe I'll be like "Isn't it great that we don't have to make a furious comeback from 12 points behind in the 4th quarter because Marcus Smart went 1 for 8 tonight?"

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2017, 08:41:37 PM »

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Just watched some replays / highlights of our GREAT win last night.

Looks like Marcus was in middle of nearly everything we were doing in that win.

He defended Kemba Walker on that last shot - and he missed.

I saw him leading the break - setting up teammates.

I saw him with a CRUCIAL basket in the last 30-40 secs.

He is the Shaquille O'Neal of basketball right now - sure, Shaq did not shoot his FT's very well, BUT he ALWAYS seemed to make em when they counted.

Same with Marcus....dude can seemingly go 1-20 FG BUT that ONE make is an IMPORTANT one.

someone already corrected the Morris defense part but you are also wrong on making a basket in the last 30-40 seconds, Smart took one shot in the 4th and it was a miss.
He didn't make a ft either. He did get some assists, even though it's a stretch, the NBA counts them so it is what it is.

Smart is a solid player, I love watching his good moments but most of this entire post is made up.

Poster "Androslav" already noted my mistake. You not reading HIS post and commenting on my already ADMITTED mistake is meaningless.

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Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2017, 11:41:39 AM »

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From 1 to 10 is he??

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Smart will be able to still command 20 million a year due to his defense, intangibles and 4th quarter intensity.

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So the question is, is Smart replaceable?  (via Semi, Rozier etc)  .  If not how does this all play out?

I don't think that I could give it a number, unless it's a 4 - he's fourth in minutes per game. Obviously his coach likes what he's doing out there.

He impacts winning on both ends. Obviously the FG shooting is an issue, but he's a plus on offense all the same.

This year he's significantly upped his assists while keeping turnovers constant. Having said that, his turnovers are still too high, especially bad passes - you've got to love his boldness, but he should dial back the risk.

He was highly productive at the line last year - got there a lot and was Grade-A when he got there - likely his "true" numbers are more like that than what he's shown so far this year.

He's a "glue" guy.  Good things happen when he's on the floor. Team offense and defense are both better. He's not a "defensive specialist".

He'll never be a star - but he is a Celtic. I hope that there's a price that works for the team and for him when it comes time to pay him.

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2017, 11:59:31 AM »

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There's no way this guy could command 20m a year for just his defense alone. He has no defensive accolades, and his only notable accolade is the 2nd All-rookie team in a weak draft class.

He's shooting under 30% from both the 3-point line AND the field so far this season. Is there any precedent for a wing player that only plays defense to get that kind of money despite shooting THIS historically bad?

In terms of "Is he replaceable"? I'd say he'd be irreplaceable if he didn't maximize his weaknesses by shooting so dang much, but as of right now, if the C's don't re-sign him I wouldn't shed a tear.

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Dummy Memphis threw millions at a guy riding a wheelchair pretty much (Parsons)

I think a team like Brooklyn will have no problems throwing this money at smart. Also be a nice revenge type signing.   I can see them try to pry off Smart, Rozier, Brown, Tatum etc.
There's no precedent for an nba player shooting this bad at any salary level.

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2017, 12:05:25 PM »

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Hopefully Smart will except a contract for what he is realistically worth, and remain with the Celtics.

The realization is that not all basketball players can improve their shooting, not everyone can be Avery Bradly and practice their way into becoming a reliable outside shooter. Some players simply have limited shooting ability, Marcus may be one.

Marcus has other intangibles that drive his net worth. These intangibles are infectious to other players, especially young players. 

I'm hoping we're able to find a way to sign him to a reasonable contract.

Is he replaceable?... a begrudging, yes.
Evry player can improve their shooting a little bit.  Many do, but Avery is not really one of them.  He was a good shooter coming in; he struggled due to nerves and low sample size more than anything.

Re: Objective thinking: Is Smart replaceable
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2017, 12:22:21 PM »

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Smart will cost too much given his limitations with Rozier providing the same overall production on a rookie deal and Brown becoming a RFA 2 years out.
Yes, Rozier can at least match Smart's output of cringe-worthy shots. No need to worry  ;D

You'd be hard-pressed to find an area other than assists that Rozier is not outperforming Smart this year, many by a fair margin. Shooting (TS% 47.2% vs 39.9%), rebounding, turnovers, PER, points and advanced stats across the board including Box score +/-. See the BasketballReference comparative stats at the link below.

http://bkref.com/tiny/nu8Ez
Plus defense at three positions would be one. Setting up teammates is another. Either way, I didn't say Rozier isn't a better offensive player (although probably not by as much as people think), but he takes his fair share of ill-advised shots as well. It's pretty tough to watch when we have both of them on at the same time.
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