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So far, we know the murderer:* was discharged from the military for “bad conduct”;* was sentenced to 12+ months of confinement;* abused his wife and child;* was committed to a mental institution which he “escaped” from;* made threats against his chain of command and attempted to bring weapons onto his baseYet, this guy passed a background check because of bureaucratic incompetence.What good are more laws if the ones on the books aren’t enforced?
I’m sorry, are you arguing that we should not have laws restricting people convicted of domestic abuse from owning guns because databases are imperfect, instead of suggesting that we should figure out how to make the databases better?Really not sure what you’re getting at.
Quote from: saltlover on November 07, 2017, 06:14:06 PMI’m sorry, are you arguing that we should not have laws restricting people convicted of domestic abuse from owning guns because databases are imperfect, instead of suggesting that we should figure out how to make the databases better?Really not sure what you’re getting at.No, just venting frustration. This is exactly the type of guy we all agree shouldn’t have a gun, and incompetence prevented existing laws from working.
Until folks really confront the reality that the extreme volume of guns in this country is tightly correlated with our extreme rates of mass shootings, these conversations will tend to go nowhere.There are solid studies that show high correlation between mass shooting rates and per-capita gun ownership -- even if you exclude the United States! The U.S. just leaps off the chart in both categories.Some bizarro numbers that paint a rather interesting picture of "our" sick, extreme obsession with guns:The US currently has about 4.4 percent of the global population, yet owns 42 percent of the world's guns (non-military). When you poke further, and realize that 32% of Americans own those guns, that means just about 1.4% of the world's population is holding 42% of the world's guns!Even more extreme, consider that the vast majority of gun owners only own one gun. Just 3% of the US population (or about .13% of the world's population) own half the guns in the U.S., or about 21% of all the guns in the world!In absolute numbers, that means that about 9.7 million Americans own a combined ~133 million guns.For that segment of 'heavy gun ownership' of the population (less than 1 in 30 people), that's an average of over 13 guns per person!What the heck do those few people need ALL THOSE FREAKING GUNS FOR??Are they planning to repel a commie invasion? Are they planning on forming a "militia" to take on the U.S. military in a coupe? Preparing for the zombie apocalypse? What?This has gotten way past the insane point. Do you know at least 30 people? Do you find it a little unnerving to realize that chances are that one of those 30 people might have an arsenal of 13+ guns? (Obviously, that's not evenly distributed geographically so the chances really vary from state to state).When will the vast majority of the U.S. that actually _isn't_ obsessed with extreme hoarding of guns finally notice what is going on and stand up and say, "Enough!"? Sadly, probably never, given our complete lack of response to Sandy Hook.It's as if the vast majority, some ~314M Americans ,are held hostage, forced to accommodate the manic obsessions of those few.
The entire gun debate, sad to say, is in the "common sense" vs "lobbyist" zone in this country.Close the private seller loophole, and hold sellers accountable.Make the national background check database work. It's not that hard to make sure all felons are on there, for crying out loud.Fund mental health care.Keep guns away from domestic abusers.Realize that the NRA (the organization, not the members) is a group of crooked lobbyists.Would those things be a perfect system? Of course not, but the first steps aren't complicated. We simply aren't willing to take them, because half the population has been systematically brainwashed by the NRA to believe this is about taking away their freedom.