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Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #75 on: November 08, 2017, 07:20:28 PM »

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lol I doubt that there's ANY truth to this, once everything comes to light.

Is there any evidence to believe it’s not true?

China is one of the most visited countries in the world. Tourism is a big part of their economy. I don’t think there’s a huge motive to fabricate this, but time will tell.
It's probably not true, Chinese people are the worst to have around you, the claims are probably fabricated by some money starving shop (as an HKer I hear about this stuff a lot, eg. if you help a woman who "fainted" on the road you're probably gonna get charged for "stealing" her imaginary stuff/sexually assaulting her), but the good thing is that Chinese courts are very complicated...imo with the Ball family getting so much media attention, some under the table money would get Gelo off scot free.

my parents are HKers as well and I do hear a lot about these also. With that said, I am also on the line of, these kids are playing ball in China with their school, so they are pretty well represented . I think the chances of this story being fabricated is not likely even given the relationship between the US or China. China is not a 3rd world country, it's booming in economy and is a huge tourist destination, I don't believe this has to do with that. Even if that was the case, I would assume this to happen to a nobody or regular tourist and not a student athlete.
I think it's very possible, the stories that fly around about Chinese people doing literally anything for money are well documented and the kids being well known only helps them to get a bit more dough. Btw it's not the Chinese gov I'm talking about, it's the shop that got "shoplifted".

Wasn’t it a Louis Vuitton retail shop in a luxury area? I doubt they’re that desperate to make a buck.

And please be careful about stereotypes regarding “Chinese people”.


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Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #76 on: November 11, 2017, 11:26:47 AM »

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Apparently they have surveillance footage of them shoplifting from 3 high-end stores.  Of course, they probably found the goods they stole too.  What a bunch of idiots. 

It'll be interesting to see how UCLA handles this.  To do this on a team trip to a foreign country, I'd probably dismiss them from the team assuming the story is accurate.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-ucla-players-stole-from-three-stores-in-china-will-not-fly-back-with-team/ar-BBEPFId?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #77 on: November 11, 2017, 11:38:41 AM »

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Apparently they have surveillance footage of them shoplifting from 3 high-end stores.  Of course, they probably found the goods they stole too.  What a bunch of idiots. 

It'll be interesting to see how UCLA handles this.  To do this on a team trip to a foreign country, I'd probably dismiss them from the team assuming the story is accurate.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-ucla-players-stole-from-three-stores-in-china-will-not-fly-back-with-team/ar-BBEPFId?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
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Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2017, 11:43:09 AM »

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I hope they are punished but not in China where the penalty for this is way disproportionate to the crime
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Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #79 on: November 11, 2017, 12:05:30 PM »

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I hope they are punished but not in China where the penalty for this is way disproportionate to the crime

Being that it is a member of the Ball family involved life in prison without parole sounds fair. I think as part of the punishment, the rest of the family should also be sent to spend the rest of their lives in a Chinese prison. I mean, China would be doing the world a favor.

Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #80 on: November 11, 2017, 12:19:44 PM »

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I hope they are punished but not in China where the penalty for this is way disproportionate to the crime

But he allegedly committed the crime in China. That is the proper jurisdiction.

Caught on video tape no less.

While Chinese law far tougher, the Ali Baba influence should diminish any sentencing to a slap on the wrist.

Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #81 on: November 11, 2017, 01:05:02 PM »

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If he was arrested under Sharia Law his hand would be cut off...

Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #82 on: November 11, 2017, 01:53:26 PM »

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I hope they are punished but not in China where the penalty for this is way disproportionate to the crime

really?

The maximum sentence for stealing goods in China varies, depending on the value of what has been alleged to be stolen. Stealing goods worth between 1,000 and 2,500 yuan ($150 to $380), for example, comes with a maximum sentence of six months but could result in merely a fine.

Anyone convicted of stealing goods for more than that amount, however, would face jail time. Someone convicted of stealing goods worth between 7,000 and 10,000 yuan ($1,050 to $1,510) would face between two and three years in jail under Chinese law.

Louis Vuitton men’s sunglasses cost $435 to $1,990, according to the company’s U.S. website.


and in california...

According to statistics from the California Department of Corrections, thousands of individuals are serving life sentences under California's three strikes law for nonviolent third strikes—in fact, 360 individuals in California are serving life sentences for shoplifting small amounts of merchandise. California is one of twenty-six states nationally with a three strikes law, but California's is the harshest in that the third strike need not be a serious or violent felony-any felony, even shoplifting, can be the basis for a life sentence.

https://www.americanbar.org/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/human_rights_vol31_2004/winter2004/irr_hr_winter04_shoplifting.html
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Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #83 on: November 11, 2017, 01:57:39 PM »

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If he was arrested under Sharia Law his hand would be cut off...
only the nut cases. the vast majority of muslims do not do this. sigh.
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Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #84 on: November 11, 2017, 02:28:16 PM »

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I hope they are punished but not in China where the penalty for this is way disproportionate to the crime

really?

The maximum sentence for stealing goods in China varies, depending on the value of what has been alleged to be stolen. Stealing goods worth between 1,000 and 2,500 yuan ($150 to $380), for example, comes with a maximum sentence of six months but could result in merely a fine.

Anyone convicted of stealing goods for more than that amount, however, would face jail time. Someone convicted of stealing goods worth between 7,000 and 10,000 yuan ($1,050 to $1,510) would face between two and three years in jail under Chinese law.

Louis Vuitton men’s sunglasses cost $435 to $1,990, according to the company’s U.S. website.


and in california...

According to statistics from the California Department of Corrections, thousands of individuals are serving life sentences under California's three strikes law for nonviolent third strikes—in fact, 360 individuals in California are serving life sentences for shoplifting small amounts of merchandise. California is one of twenty-six states nationally with a three strikes law, but California's is the harshest in that the third strike need not be a serious or violent felony-any felony, even shoplifting, can be the basis for a life sentence.

https://www.americanbar.org/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/human_rights_vol31_2004/winter2004/irr_hr_winter04_shoplifting.html
2 to 3 years in jail for shop lifting is incredibly harsh. That is the point I was making. I think I read somewhere the value stolen woild be a 3 to 10 year sentence under Chinese law. That is just way to harsh.  It doesn't excuse the offense bit of rather see an American level penalty
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Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #85 on: November 11, 2017, 02:38:19 PM »

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If he was arrested under Sharia Law his hand would be cut off...
only the nut cases. the vast majority of muslims do not do this. sigh.
do you have a source for the “vast majority” statement? Last I checked 12 Muslim countries follow sharia law including Saudi Arabia

Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2017, 04:33:29 PM »

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If he was arrested under Sharia Law his hand would be cut off...
only the nut cases. the vast majority of muslims do not do this. sigh.
do you have a source for the “vast majority” statement? Last I checked 12 Muslim countries follow sharia law including Saudi Arabia
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« Reply #87 on: November 11, 2017, 08:12:48 PM »

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I hope they are punished but not in China where the penalty for this is way disproportionate to the crime

really?

The maximum sentence for stealing goods in China varies, depending on the value of what has been alleged to be stolen. Stealing goods worth between 1,000 and 2,500 yuan ($150 to $380), for example, comes with a maximum sentence of six months but could result in merely a fine.

Anyone convicted of stealing goods for more than that amount, however, would face jail time. Someone convicted of stealing goods worth between 7,000 and 10,000 yuan ($1,050 to $1,510) would face between two and three years in jail under Chinese law.

Louis Vuitton men’s sunglasses cost $435 to $1,990, according to the company’s U.S. website.


and in california...

According to statistics from the California Department of Corrections, thousands of individuals are serving life sentences under California's three strikes law for nonviolent third strikes—in fact, 360 individuals in California are serving life sentences for shoplifting small amounts of merchandise. California is one of twenty-six states nationally with a three strikes law, but California's is the harshest in that the third strike need not be a serious or violent felony-any felony, even shoplifting, can be the basis for a life sentence.

https://www.americanbar.org/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/human_rights_vol31_2004/winter2004/irr_hr_winter04_shoplifting.html
2 to 3 years in jail for shop lifting is incredibly harsh. That is the point I was making. I think I read somewhere the value stolen woild be a 3 to 10 year sentence under Chinese law. That is just way to harsh.  It doesn't excuse the offense bit of rather see an American level penalty
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Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #88 on: November 12, 2017, 08:46:52 AM »

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I just want to point out Hangzhou China is Boston's sister city. Nobody messes with my sister city. Nobody. Especially not some Laker loving punk.

Re: LiAngelo Ball arrested in China
« Reply #89 on: November 12, 2017, 09:49:14 AM »

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If he was arrested under Sharia Law his hand would be cut off...

that would make basketball slightly more challenging