Lamar Odom collapses in L.A night club (Video)

[Eja117]

I'm not sure you can really say "addiction issues" are equivalent to "mental health issues."

There's definitely overlap (a lot of it) but I've been close enough to both populations to know the terms are not at all synonymous.

I don't know Lamar at all, but from very afar his issues strike me far more as "addiction issues."

I think I understand your perspective, if you mean the two don't necessary need to coexist.  Technically though, substance abuse disorder is in the DSM 5.

Well yeah. The DSM 5 will some day have all sorts of stuff in it because stuff has to be billed for and they want insurance to pay. But someone who goes to a party, does heroin for fun, and gets addicted can't possibly be compared to someone with schizoaffective disorder type paranoid, comorbid with Munchusen's by proxy.

Some symptoms might be the same. There might be a loss of functionality.  But a person going through detox and getting clean is not at all the same thing as someone that will need zyprexa the rest of their life and also need therapy to teach themselves some reality testing. 

I think Lamar is probably more similar to the drug partier. Maybe I just think that because....idk...the recent video is of him at a night club. Probably partying.

[Eja117]

I'm not sure you can really say "addiction issues" and equivalent to "mental health issues."

There's definitely overlap (a lot of it) but I've been close enough to both populations to know the terms are not at all synonymous.

I don't know Lamar at all, but from very afar his issues strike me far more as "addiction issues."

Didn't do that.  Here's the quote: "If you see the behavior as pathologically compulsive in the face of repetitive self-defeating results, it's possible to view it as a mental health issue".   Nothing conclusive there, just a thought -- and no mention of addiction issues as equivalent to mental health issues.
 
Actually, I'm not sure what addiction specialists would say about that, but it's not what I said (I assume you were referring to my post - sorry if you weren't).

I think, if anything, I'd be referring more to this part of the quote.."Isn't how you understand the behavior a determining factor as to whether or not you can muster compassion?"

Now I'm more confused.   I thought that was a pretty innocuous statement and about as true as an opinion could be.  How you understand any behavior is a determining factor in how you "feel" about it.   How do you construe it as equating addiction with mental illness?

Right. And I suppose I was responding to how I "feel" about Lamar's issues.

[Neurotic Guy]

I'm not sure you can really say "addiction issues" and equivalent to "mental health issues."

There's definitely overlap (a lot of it) but I've been close enough to both populations to know the terms are not at all synonymous.

I don't know Lamar at all, but from very afar his issues strike me far more as "addiction issues."

Didn't do that.  Here's the quote: "If you see the behavior as pathologically compulsive in the face of repetitive self-defeating results, it's possible to view it as a mental health issue".   Nothing conclusive there, just a thought -- and no mention of addiction issues as equivalent to mental health issues.
 
Actually, I'm not sure what addiction specialists would say about that, but it's not what I said (I assume you were referring to my post - sorry if you weren't).

I think, if anything, I'd be referring more to this part of the quote.."Isn't how you understand the behavior a determining factor as to whether or not you can muster compassion?"

Now I'm more confused.   I thought that was a pretty innocuous statement and about as true as an opinion could be.  How you understand any behavior is a determining factor in how you "feel" about it.   How do you construe it as equating addiction with mental illness?

Right. And I suppose I was responding to how I "feel" about Lamar's issues.

You have me utterly baffled.  I really have no idea where you got what you got from my post.  I don't dispute what you said about addiction and MH -- I don't know enough (nor would I want) to make a counter-argument.  But I don't understand anything else you are saying. 

I wasn't referring to you, but speaking in the general "you".   I am REALLY not trying to get into an argument with you.  I haven't much of an idea about what we are arguing about.