Debating With Friend: What Do You View Kyrie Irving As In The NBA?

[Moranis]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

[Phantom255x]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Definitely the resume of a Top-20 player though. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Well most MVP rankings currently would disagree with you.

[Monkhouse]

My god, don't you guys ever get tired of talking about Kyrie Irving's ranking... Jeez lol.

Top 15, top 20, top 30, blah blah blah blah!

It doesn't matter what you guys think of Kyrie.

The fact of the matter is, Ainge clearly believes in his potential, and in him, specifically, or he wouldn't dished out one of our most important assets...

And we're 20-4 without Hayward, so I don't get how Irving is not at least top 20 in anyone's book.

[Diggles]

Hard to argue with 70% on here that thinks he is, and the fact Ainge thinks he is/  Lebron thought he was and Brad thinks he is.....

He is now my Super Star!   

[GreenEnvy]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

[fairweatherfan]

Kyrie has been effective at what he's good at (scoring mixed with a moderate amount of playmaking for others, clutch play) and pretty good at what he's normally not (mostly defense).  Whatever he is, he's been one of the better versions of it for us.

[Moranis]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

we are talking about right now, but for the record, most of the current top 15 players had far better resumes at 25 than Irving does.  That is what sets those guys apart from the all star level players (which Irving is). 

[celticsclay]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

Are we trying to say that Carmelo Anthony would be a top 15 player in the league cause he has longer resume from being in the league longer? I don't really understand this rationale. Irving is the unquestioned best player on a top 3-4 team in the league. He was the second best player on the second best team the last few years. Not sure how he would wouldn't be in a pretty deep discussion for top 15 at this point. Also isn't most certainly going to start in the all-star this year for the east? Wall seemed to be the only serious competition and he is injured.

[Phantom255x]

Kyrie has been effective at what he's good at (scoring mixed with a moderate amount of playmaking for others, clutch play) and pretty good at what he's normally not (mostly defense).  Whatever he is, he's been one of the better versions of it for us.

He definitely looks more like a team player here and seems to be trying more on defense than he did in Cleveland to be honest.

[GreenEnvy]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

we are talking about right now, but for the record, most of the current top 15 players had far better resumes at 25 than Irving does.  That is what sets those guys apart from the all star level players (which Irving is).

Far better? That’s simply not true. I’d love to see your top-15 players.

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

Are we trying to say that Carmelo Anthony would be a top 15 player in the league cause he has longer resume from being in the league longer? I don't really understand this rationale. Irving is the unquestioned best player on a top 3-4 team in the league. He was the second best player on the second best team the last few years. Not sure how he would wouldn't be in a pretty deep discussion for top 15 at this point. Also isn't most certainly going to start in the all-star this year for the east? Wall seemed to be the only serious competition and he is injured.

I’m not sure what you are getting at. I think Kyrie is currently a top-15 player.

[celticsclay]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

we are talking about right now, but for the record, most of the current top 15 players had far better resumes at 25 than Irving does.  That is what sets those guys apart from the all star level players (which Irving is).

Far better? That’s simply not true. I’d love to see your top-15 players.

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

Are we trying to say that Carmelo Anthony would be a top 15 player in the league cause he has longer resume from being in the league longer? I don't really understand this rationale. Irving is the unquestioned best player on a top 3-4 team in the league. He was the second best player on the second best team the last few years. Not sure how he would wouldn't be in a pretty deep discussion for top 15 at this point. Also isn't most certainly going to start in the all-star this year for the east? Wall seemed to be the only serious competition and he is injured.

I’m not sure what you are getting at. I think Kyrie is currently a top-15 player.

Sorry my quote response was confusing. I agree with you and was disagreeing with the comments by Moranis about his resume. I definitely think he is top 15 right now also.

[Moranis]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

we are talking about right now, but for the record, most of the current top 15 players had far better resumes at 25 than Irving does.  That is what sets those guys apart from the all star level players (which Irving is).

Far better? That’s simply not true. I’d love to see your top 15 players

ESPN's top 10 at the beginning of the season were Green, Giannis, Harden, Paul, Davis, Westbrook, Curry, Leonard, Durant, James.  Now you tell me, aside from Green (who was mich older as a rookie) which of those guys resumes are worse than Irving at 25 or the year he turned 26 (year 7 also)

[CelticsElite]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

we are talking about right now, but for the record, most of the current top 15 players had far better resumes at 25 than Irving does.  That is what sets those guys apart from the all star level players (which Irving is).

Far better? That’s simply not true. I’d love to see your top 15 players

ESPN's top 10 at the beginning of the season were Green, Giannis, Harden, Paul, Davis, Westbrook, Curry, Leonard, Durant, James.  Now you tell me, aside from Green (who was mich older as a rookie) which of those guys resumes are worse than Irving at 25 or the year he turned 26 (year 7 also)

what were the other 5 in the espn top 15



Curry wasn't "top of the nba" relevant  until he was 26

[gouki88]

Superstar or not, you have to admit, Kyrie's resume is pretty impressive.

NBA champion (2016)
4× NBA All-Star (2013–2015, 2017)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2014)
All-NBA Third Team (2015)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2012)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (2012)
NBA Rising Stars Challenge MVP (2012)
NBA Three-Point Shootout champion (2013)
USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (2014)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2014)
2016 Rio De Janeiro Olympics (Gold Medal Winner)
2014 FIBA World Champion (Spain)
2010 FIBA Americas U18 Champion (Gold Medal Winner)
2010 McDonald's All-American
2010 Nike Hoop Summit All-American
2010 Jordan Brand High School All-American
2010 First-team Parade All-American

CAREER: 21.6 PPG, 5.5 APG, 3.5 RPG in 46% shooting, 38% 3 pt. shooting (6 seasons)

And of course, the game-winning shot over Steph Curry in NBA Finals, Game 7, on the road that gave Cleveland it's first title in FRANCHISE HISTORY (and first title in Cleveland after 52 years, breaking the Cleveland Sports Curse).

I'm not really sure that is all that impressive when you are talking about top level players.  Just 1 All NBA Team and it was the 3rd team.  The championships and things like that he was never his teams best player.

That feels like throwing shade. For a 25 year old, that is an impressive basketball resume.

It isn't the resume of a top 15 player though, which is sort of the point.

Resumes get built over time. Great players do enter the NBA with a strong resume, they more often than not need to build one through their prime, and beyond.

Please take a look at your top-15 NBA players and try to see what their resume looked like when they were 25, chances are they weren’t as good as Kyrie’s. And they were probably too-15 players at that age anyway.

we are talking about right now, but for the record, most of the current top 15 players had far better resumes at 25 than Irving does.  That is what sets those guys apart from the all star level players (which Irving is).

Far better? That’s simply not true. I’d love to see your top 15 players

ESPN's top 10 at the beginning of the season were Green, Giannis, Harden, Paul, Davis, Westbrook, Curry, Leonard, Durant, James.  Now you tell me, aside from Green (who was mich older as a rookie) which of those guys resumes are worse than Irving at 25 or the year he turned 26 (year 7 also)

Westbrook and Curry quite easily. Giannis and AD it's hard to tell, because, despite the likelihood (or lack thereof) they could win a ring this season - but Kyrie still has a better resume than both of them. LeBron, KD, Kawhi, Harden and CP3 are the only ones who are comfortably above him on that list resume wise (when they were 25)