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If you had to choose, who stays?

Terry Rozier
58 (42.6%)
Marcus Smart
78 (57.4%)

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Re: Who's your 6th man and who gets the chop?
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2017, 01:40:56 AM »

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Not a big enough sample size, but the stats favor Rozier this season.

Bigger issue is that it seems likely someone will overpay for Smart and I wouldn't match it given guys on the Cs that will surpass him in a year or two.
This is all about money laundering.

Re: Who's your 6th man and who gets the chop?
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2017, 06:35:12 AM »

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Comes down to if Smart takes a team friendly deal. Given he can't show better offensive numbers still I think he should take a lesser deal and avoid pressure of a new fan base. We accept what he is already.
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Re: Who's your 6th man and who gets the chop?
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2017, 06:54:43 AM »

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Smart is an obvious choice for me. Rozier is a better defensive rebounder but Smart is a better playmaker, defender, screen setter, and seemingly has higher IQ. He also seems to come up with a lot of clutch plays, whether itís a 3 or an drawn charge or an offensive rebound. The team plays better with Smart on the floor.

Stats don't back you up on this. The team is statistically better with Troz in the game but not by enough to go Troz is the better player. These 2 guys are a wash.

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Re: Who's your 6th man and who gets the chop?
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2017, 07:43:45 AM »

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Probably Rozier just because of the contract situation. (ie I don't have to commit long term yet)

I think Smart will remain the better player but its tough to pay a guard a big deal who shoots so poorly.

Rozier is only a year behind...This might take a cap guru to accurately describe this , but I think we could match a 18million per offer sheet, waive end of the roster; and then we would only slightly be into the luxury tax.

I think the bigger roster crunch will be Baynes. Pretty sure we won't have Bird Rights, and he will be looking for a multi-year deal for sure. However, I presume we could sign Baynes before the matching date for Marcus.

This really seems like a June/July thread...
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Re: Who's your 6th man and who gets the chop?
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2017, 08:08:28 AM »

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Easily Smart. Rozier is better than Smart on offense, but he isn't great--he's still a below-average shooter and a bad passer for a PG. The gap between them on defense is bigger than the gap between them on offense. There's a reason that Stevens always goes to Smart, and not Rozier, in late-game situations.

Re: Who's your 6th man and who gets the chop?
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2017, 08:49:09 AM »

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Pls Danny, keep both!

Re: Who's your 6th man and who gets the chop?
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2017, 09:00:37 AM »

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Smart is an obvious choice for me. Rozier is a better defensive rebounder but Smart is a better playmaker, defender, screen setter, and seemingly has higher IQ. He also seems to come up with a lot of clutch plays, whether itís a 3 or an drawn charge or an offensive rebound. The team plays better with Smart on the floor.

Stats don't back you up on this. The team is statistically better with Troz in the game but not by enough to go Troz is the better player. These 2 guys are a wash.
Exactly. They're basically a wash. It's just that Smart gets the hype and was the 6th pick. He's not worth the extra money. He'll command an extra 20-33% more, but he's at best 7% better player. Maybe. Despite being in the league a year longer.

When a guy is the 6th pick several years in you probably shouldn't be talking about him as a potential 6th man. Not really what we were aiming for.  There has to be some accountability for that like we did with KO and Sully.  Ok. This isn't what we signed up for. Now they're gone. Let the Heat pay KO.

Re: Who's your 6th man and who gets the chop?
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2017, 09:08:13 AM »

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Smart is an obvious choice for me. Rozier is a better defensive rebounder but Smart is a better playmaker, defender, screen setter, and seemingly has higher IQ. He also seems to come up with a lot of clutch plays, whether itís a 3 or an drawn charge or an offensive rebound. The team plays better with Smart on the floor.

Stats don't back you up on this. The team is statistically better with Troz in the game but not by enough to go Troz is the better player. These 2 guys are a wash.
Exactly. They're basically a wash. It's just that Smart gets the hype and was the 6th pick. He's not worth the extra money. He'll command an extra 20-33% more, but he's at best 7% better player. Maybe. Despite being in the league a year longer.

When a guy is the 6th pick several years in you probably shouldn't be talking about him as a potential 6th man. Not really what we were aiming for.  There has to be some accountability for that like we did with KO and Sully.  Ok. This isn't what we signed up for. Now they're gone. Let the Heat pay KO.

Curious how you come up with 7%.

Also, why should Marcus be blamed for being picked 6th. I'm not sure what you mean by accountability. Marcus appears to be playing hard almost all the time.

I'm not convinced that Smart has hit his prime. I think he can get better. Though I don't want to pay him more than 20m per year.

If it came down to it who would you pick: Rozier or Smart?(Poll)
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2017, 10:10:48 PM »

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If only one contract is available (15 million x 4 years).

Who would you give it to - Smart or Rozier?

It is looking more and more like the team wont be able to keep both for the long term.. Unfortunately


Re: If it came down to it who would you pick: Rozier or Smart?(Poll)
« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2017, 10:37:11 PM »

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I think we just had this question yesterday / earlier today...

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=94201.0

Yours is a little different with an all things being equal scenario. I am going to have to go with none of the above - $15M/yr is way too much for either of these guys, although Smart is probably a little more worthy than Rozier (at the moment).

Re: If it came down to it who would you pick: Rozier or Smart?(Poll)
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2017, 10:41:44 PM »

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at the same cost i would EASILY pick smart
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Re: If it came down to it who would you pick: Rozier or Smart?(Poll)
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2017, 10:54:57 PM »

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at the same cost i would EASILY pick smart

Easily?

Rozier has been important

Re: If it came down to it who would you pick: Rozier or Smart?(Poll)
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2017, 10:56:02 PM »

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This is the 15th rozier vs smart thread. Lol wonder how many we will have by the end of the season

Re: If it came down to it who would you pick: Rozier or Smart?(Poll)
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2017, 11:15:27 PM »

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at the same cost i would EASILY pick smart

Easily?

Rozier has been important

Not as important as Smart.

Re: If it came down to it who would you pick: Rozier or Smart?(Poll)
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2017, 11:16:06 PM »

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This is the 15th rozier vs smart thread. Lol wonder how many we will have by the end of the season

Because its a big deal... and it looks like only one will remain with the team (for the long term) after this season

Both will want fair contracts but after this is settled does it matter - to start or come off the bench?

Smart has shown indications he doesn't care (and remember reading before he volunteered to come off the bench).

Not sure with Rozier...  his future ambitions could be wanting to start