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Re: CONFIRMED: Hillary and DNC Rigged the election
« Reply #45 on: November 04, 2017, 07:35:41 AM »

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Iway too far left Bernie. 
Lol, that's cute.  Good luck seeing any change in your lifetime then.

Cute?   In terms of change, I'd be glad for a middle of the road repubs (Kasich) or similar temperament and ideology dem.  Not looking for radical change (America's a pretty good place) - probably have only 3 or 4 presidents left in my lifetime if I'm lucky. 

I indicated Bernie is too far left to win a general election in this country.  Not sure what is cute about that comment.

Many ppl (I know I did) would think "Iway" was a typo for "I was".

I thought the typo was “I’m way too far left for Bernie”, but then used context because the poster is Neurotic Guy who’s not a lefty.  Don’t know what he was trying to say tho.

If you find my post earlier in the thread, it contained my typical lack of brevity, but unclebay pulled a sentence out AND also had a typo.   The original sentence that it was pulled from was:

"Hillary's actions give credence to Trump's "crooked" assertions and it's a crying shame that democrats couldn't put forth better candidates than a politically-slimy Hillary and a way too far left Bernie."

The point of my post was that Hillary's behavior sadly gives Trump credibility, and that the Dems need to put forth better candidates -- ones who are ethically sound and/or who aren't so far left that 60% of the country won't consider voting for them.
The 'cute' comment was condescending and I apologize.  That said, if a candidate who advocates heavily taxing the rich and who believes that health care and education should be payed for by tax payers is considered 'radical ', then America's future does not look so bright. I would think rooting greed out of politics and making healthcare a universal right is something everyone could get behind.

I am not in disagreement with universal healthcare or making college more affordable (I've spent more than $300,000 sending my daughters to college), but my primary point was that Dems need to offer a candidate who can win a national election.  A candidate who is a self-described "democratic socialist" will be crushed by the likes of Cruz, Rubio, Trump, Pence... and then your policy wishes slip further away.  I am ok with compromised, moderated, balanced positions on healthcare, education and taxation.  Better access to healthcare and higher ed combined with fiscal common sense allows for parties to work together, prizing progress over extremism or ideological stubbornness.

Re: Brazile: Hillary and DNC Rigged the process against Bernie
« Reply #46 on: November 04, 2017, 07:51:14 AM »

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Sorry if I'm not here crying over a fraud like Sanders getting the short end of the stick from an institution protecting itself from someone who's not going to serve said institution.

Rigged, not rigged, whatever... Sanders is not a democrat.

Everytime I see this story of how Sanders got wronged, I just have to roll my eyes. No offense to those that wanted Sanders to win the nomination, but he shouldn't have been running as a democrat as it was. Not that I blame him, since it's the only way for him to try and win the presidency, but don't cry foul afterwards when you're simply duping the democrat base in the first place.

Re: Brazile: Hillary and DNC Rigged the process against Bernie
« Reply #47 on: November 04, 2017, 08:20:27 AM »

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Brazille ought to know about rigging didn't she give Hillary the questions before one of the debates.

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Her sharing of questions with a candidate would seem to undercut the impartiality of the event and, as a CNN contributor, potentially reflect poorly on the network, which received big ratings, and thus profits, from primary debates and town halls.

https://www.snopes.com/donna-brazile-leaves-cnn/

Both of them need to go crawl back under their rocks.

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"Hillary's actions give credence to Trump's "crooked" assertions and it's a crying shame that democrats couldn't put forth better candidates than a politically-slimy Hillary and a way too far left Bernie."

I agree but do you really think Trump was a good candidate?  Independent here, mind you.  Meaning I vote for whom I think is best.  Not a big fan of either party but they dominate politics funny my copy of the Constitution does mention either party yet people are like mindless drones in their loyalty to them.

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Everytime I see this story of how Sanders got wronged, I just have to roll my eyes. No offense to those that wanted Sanders to win the nomination, but he shouldn't have been running as a democrat as it was. Not that I blame him, since it's the only way for him to try and win the presidency, but don't cry foul afterwards when you're simply duping the democrat base in the first place

You should a lot like Hillary.  She blames everyone but herself.   Truth, is these were two of the most terrible candidates ever.   She utterly lacks Charisma and is ruthlessly ambitious and he lacks character and restraint.  No matter who won we were going to lose.

You better get used to Bernie because the democrat party has moved far to the left now.  Just as the Republicans moved right.   Both parties are on the verge of splintering and it is a time where moderates can't cut it.   It is really bad for our country when both sides hug to their ideology and don't compromise.
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Re: Brazile: Hillary and DNC Rigged the process against Bernie
« Reply #48 on: November 04, 2017, 03:33:11 PM »

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Everytime I see this story of how Sanders got wronged, I just have to roll my eyes. No offense to those that wanted Sanders to win the nomination, but he shouldn't have been running as a democrat as it was. Not that I blame him, since it's the only way for him to try and win the presidency, but don't cry foul afterwards when you're simply duping the democrat base in the first place

You should a lot like Hillary.  She blames everyone but herself.   Truth, is these were two of the most terrible candidates ever.   She utterly lacks Charisma and is ruthlessly ambitious and he lacks character and restraint.  No matter who won we were going to lose.

You better get used to Bernie because the democrat party has moved far to the left now.  Just as the Republicans moved right.   Both parties are on the verge of splintering and it is a time where moderates can't cut it.   It is really bad for our country when both sides hug to their ideology and don't compromise.

That I sound like Hillary, blaming everyone but herself? Err... who am I blaming here and for what?

Nothing you've mentioned here has anything to do with anything I said.

Re: Brazile: Hillary and DNC Rigged the process against Bernie
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2017, 09:55:26 AM »

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Brazile says she 'found NO evidence that the democratic primary election was rigged'.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/donna-brazile-primary-rigged/index.html

So once again, the media, and some alt-right and alt-left extremists, make a big story out of fake news. Fake news that Brazile basically conjured up in her book to sell copies of her new book.

That's what's wrong with both parties today. People making up stories for their own financial and/or political gain, and easily manipulating the public. The media in turn, runs with every story because they want ratings.
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Re: Brazile: Hillary and DNC Rigged the process against Bernie
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2017, 10:52:09 AM »

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Brazile says she 'found NO evidence that the democratic primary election was rigged'.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/donna-brazile-primary-rigged/index.html

So once again, the media, and some alt-right and alt-left extremists, make a big story out of fake news. Fake news that Brazile basically conjured up in her book to sell copies of her new book.

That's what's wrong with both parties today. People making up stories for their own financial and/or political gain, and easily manipulating the public. The media in turn, runs with every story because they want ratings.

I don't think there is anything within the realm of 'classic dirty politics' that HRC wouldn't have done to become president.

Whether or not Donna Brazille says she lined up the cards in her favor, or if Brazille says she didn't, it really doesn't matter anymore.

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Re: Brazile: Hillary and DNC Rigged the process against Bernie
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2017, 11:18:19 AM »

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Brazile says she 'found NO evidence that the democratic primary election was rigged'.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/donna-brazile-primary-rigged/index.html

So once again, the media, and some alt-right and alt-left extremists, make a big story out of fake news. Fake news that Brazile basically conjured up in her book to sell copies of her new book.

That's what's wrong with both parties today. People making up stories for their own financial and/or political gain, and easily manipulating the public. The media in turn, runs with every story because they want ratings.

I don't think there is anything within the realm of 'classic dirty politics' that HRC wouldn't have done to become president.

Whether or not Donna Brazille says she lined up the cards in her favor, or if Brazille says she didn't, it really doesn't matter anymore.

I'm in no way defending Hillary, she's as bad as anyone. What bothers me though with this is some of the same things that bother me with Trump. Its that the importance of truth has gone out the window, and this is acceptable with the media and with the general public.

The idea that Hillary, or Trump, are bad people who lie is not justification for others to do the same for their own benefit.

In this instance, Brazile, and the media, made up a story for personal gain. That is unacceptable. The idea that it is now viewed as ok in our society is absolutely terrible and reflects what is wrong with our country today.

Re: Brazile: Hillary and DNC Rigged the process against Bernie
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2017, 11:43:44 AM »

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Brazile says she 'found NO evidence that the democratic primary election was rigged'.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politics/donna-brazile-primary-rigged/index.html

So once again, the media, and some alt-right and alt-left extremists, make a big story out of fake news. Fake news that Brazile basically conjured up in her book to sell copies of her new book.

That's what's wrong with both parties today. People making up stories for their own financial and/or political gain, and easily manipulating the public. The media in turn, runs with every story because they want ratings.

I don't think there is anything within the realm of 'classic dirty politics' that HRC wouldn't have done to become president.

Whether or not Donna Brazille says she lined up the cards in her favor, or if Brazille says she didn't, it really doesn't matter anymore.

I'm in no way defending Hillary, she's as bad as anyone. What bothers me though with this is some of the same things that bother me with Trump. Its that the importance of truth has gone out the window, and this is acceptable with the media and with the general public.

The idea that Hillary, or Trump, are bad people who lie is not justification for others to do the same for their own benefit.

In this instance, Brazile, and the media, made up a story for personal gain. That is unacceptable. The idea that it is now viewed as ok in our society is absolutely terrible and reflects what is wrong with our country today.

I mean...I guess I don't understand what's been alleged anymore.

My understanding: According to Brazile, HRC's campaign gave the DNC a crapload of money with the caveat that they could put their (HRC's campiagn's) people in certain positions of power or influence within the party.

My take: I'm not surprised, it is a shrewd move, it also is dirty politics (ha) and emblematic of a lot of peoples' problems with Hillary IE that she is fundamentally at her core a 'just win baby' kind of person, and isn't good at hiding it. But HRC is too smart, too thorough to allow her campaign to do something actually illegal so this is probably just a really bad look.

My bet for actual tangible fallout: It'll allow Bernie Bros to say I told you so, but Hillary's critics on the right literally already have accused her of murder multiple times so I doubt they're changing their tune, and her most ardent supporters will either dismiss Brazile's claims outright or take the most optimistic spin possible, or hell maybe they'll double down and claim it proves Hillary is just good at political machinations. Reluctant Hillary voters I bet will just resignedly nod with their hollow dead eyes in an, 'I didn't know that but I'm not surprised' kind of way and go back to living in the hell that is the Trump presidency. Literally I imagine nobody changes their worldview from this.

My new take: Brazile now saying a blanket 'no seriously it wasn't fixed' changes literally nothing.

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